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18 Apr 15 02:15
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I expect England to be too short again for most of the match.

Only 2 Tests played at this venue, neither of which tell us much, but I expect plenty of runs. Which makes a draw back to lay the way I'll start.
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Report OzBattla April 21, 2015 12:50 PM BST
Gee its hard to know what to take from that last 1st Class match. Spinners took 9 of the 10 first inns wickets. And the seamers bowled for the first 9 overs in total in the inns. Match seemed to steady, but the class Batsman got a ton. Mmmm more confused than ever, wait for the toss!
Report Whisperingdeath April 21, 2015 1:54 PM BST
West Indies are the new Pakistan for me just in the case of WI there is no point in paying a bribe because they are likely to capitulate without pecuniary inducement.

I would like to have a look at the pitch first. They paid plenty of dough to get this test so will want the wicket to last 5 days but if they have taken the grass of the question is will it dry out.

The only other question is will England have the bottle to try Rashid? I think not!
Report jucel69 April 21, 2015 4:30 PM BST
This weather is vexing me just a tad. Probably be off all day ffs
Report jucel69 April 21, 2015 4:54 PM BST
Top stuff PamelaHappy
Report dylansdad April 21, 2015 8:42 PM BST
how we looking i've got a ave lay on England @1.69, but back price @ 1.53 at the moment?
Report dylansdad April 21, 2015 10:42 PM BST
after a slow start around 2 runs an over samuels picks the rate up at the end of the day
Report pxb April 22, 2015 12:56 AM BST
Forecast sunny tomorrow. Should be a good batting day, and draw to come in somewhat.

I'm not watching this. What are the prospects for spin later?
Report jucel69 April 22, 2015 1:56 AM BST

Apr 22, 2015 -- 12:56AM, pxb wrote:


Forecast sunny tomorrow. Should be a good batting day, and draw to come in somewhat.I'm not watching this. What are the prospects for spin later?


Ali was turning it yesterday & the bowlers' marks are already apparent. The hardest thing to gauge is how quick it will turn. Seems a pretty slow pitch tbf

Report pxb April 22, 2015 2:14 AM BST
Thx Jucel.

Although new ball still to come, so WI all out for 230ish on the cards.
Report Darlo Bantam April 22, 2015 2:36 AM BST

Apr 22, 2015 -- 1:56AM, jucel69 wrote:


Apr 22, 2015 -- 12:56AM, pxb wrote:Forecast sunny tomorrow. Should be a good batting day, and draw to come in somewhat.I'm not watching this. What are the prospects for spin later?Ali was turning it yesterday & the bowlers' marks are already apparent. The hardest thing to gauge is how quick it will turn. Seems a pretty slow pitch tbf


Boycott absolutely slated the pitch and the groundsmen.

Report jucel69 April 22, 2015 3:31 AM BST
I get the feeling the MO from the WI cricket board is two fold. Make sure the game lasts 5 days & make sure WI don't get hammered. Just like Bangladesh, I think WI feel a draw is like a win.
I started off laying the draw yesterday at 2.6 & then flipped it over when the draw came down from 4.1 to 3.8 (as the inns stabilised). Therefore sitting on a large draw green & zero on Eng/WI. Feels like another long haul to me. WI bowling without Taylor looks pretty toothless. I've seen Gabriel bowl a few times and have been underwhelmed. Roach is down on pace & Holder is steady. Bishoo will probably be negated by the slowness of the pitch.
I expect England to get a sizeable total and then winkle them out slowly but surely.
Report jucel69 April 22, 2015 3:33 AM BST

Apr 22, 2015 -- 2:14AM, pxb wrote:


Thx Jucel.Although new ball still to come, so WI all out for 230ish on the cards.


There was quite a bit of swing for Anderson with the first new ball. However, the conditions were hot and humid. Who know what it will do today.

Report pxb April 22, 2015 6:18 AM BST
It seems cloud cover, not humidity helps swing.

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-18262145

Which makes sense to me. I was always sceptical of the humidity theory, which determines air density.
Report earlycrow April 22, 2015 10:28 AM BST
What a snooze fest this series has been
Report mafeking April 22, 2015 2:45 PM BST
gonna be a real struggle to get a result if they're losing 15 or 20 overs a day
Report dylansdad April 22, 2015 2:47 PM BST
raining at the moment, how much time we going to lose?
Report Foinavon April 22, 2015 3:53 PM BST
Well I'm out of the market at the moment having backed the draw then layed the draw several times for a net profit of 65 penceGrin

If England only have to bat once they will have a winning chance. Too many imponderables so will watch and wait for a while.
Report Foinavon April 22, 2015 4:20 PM BST
More rain imminent apparently.Sad
Report Injera April 22, 2015 4:36 PM BST
I'm impressed with Stokes and Jordan's pace with such an old ball.

Very hard to oppose the draw with this weather.
Report Foinavon April 22, 2015 4:41 PM BST
Just had a little tactical lay of the draw now that the price has shrunk due to the rain. Hopefully England might have some success with the new ball and cause the draw to go out.
Report mafeking April 22, 2015 4:47 PM BST
even if england knock them over for 300 they'll do well to be level by end of day 3 with all these interruptions. probably gonna need a need a session with 4 or 5 wickets at some stage for england to get over the line here
Report Foinavon April 22, 2015 5:14 PM BST
Well we just don't know. A couple of quick wickets when play resumes and things will look different. Still doubt that either side can pull off a win and hope to be on the right side of the draw before the fat lady sings.
Report Foinavon April 22, 2015 7:27 PM BST
Love
Report DStyle April 22, 2015 8:48 PM BST
not a single yorker.
Report Foinavon April 22, 2015 8:48 PM BST
This last wicket pair showing why it's difficult (or unwise) to back England to win anything at the moment.
Report cricketnut2 April 22, 2015 8:57 PM BST
Just unwise to think England are ever going to win another Test, the way we are at the moment and won't be surprised if we are about 60-4, by the end of play today.
Report Foinavon April 22, 2015 9:13 PM BST
Yes, having another fence sitting session now to see which way the wind blows.
Report jucel69 April 22, 2015 11:03 PM BST
Wouldn't like to be sitting on Eng overnight at 1.8. Who knows if there will be rain again the morning??
Report Foinavon April 23, 2015 12:49 AM BST
Not in any hurry to take a position again. All outcomes are possible and wouldn't be inclined to back England at odds-on this early in the game. From here, England should be able to build a commanding first innings lead but I don't trust them enough either to get a sufficient lead or bowl out WI a second time. Have a small over-all green at the moment and will sit on it for now.
Report pxb April 23, 2015 12:54 AM BST
Fortunately, I kept the draw onside.

Too much uncertainty with the weather and no reliable forecast to do much with this.

Draw price looks too big with the risk of more overs lost.
Report jucel69 April 23, 2015 12:25 PM BST
weather looks better this morning!

https://twitter.com/DavidCovill/status/591193854428090369/photo/1
Report jucel69 April 23, 2015 12:29 PM BST
Back on England today, weather seems set fair & WI are not looking particularly potent. Hoping to see around 1.6 by the end of the day
Report Foinavon April 23, 2015 2:20 PM BST
Sounds reasonable Jucel, so long as they don't lose early wickets and withdraw into their shell.
If they can keep the scoreboard ticking over, all should be well.
Report jucel69 April 23, 2015 2:35 PM BST
The markets in these first two tests have been mad for England. Just the fact it is sunny has taken 10 ticks off alreadyCrazy 1.69 already!!
Report YOMOMMA April 23, 2015 3:58 PM BST
Wish they would get a move on. 2.4 an over v West Indies with no wickets down? I know it's only the 3rd day but surely get up to at least 3 an over.
Report trader pj April 23, 2015 4:13 PM BST
all points to another Draw imo
Report YOMOMMA April 23, 2015 4:14 PM BST
13 out of 45 overs have been maidens.
Report mafeking April 23, 2015 4:21 PM BST
i know it's pretty dreadful to watch at the moment but a lot of england's success in 2010 and 2011 came on the back of partnerships like this between cook and trott and then the stroke makers tucking in knackered bowlers with an old ball. plenty of time to score at much higher rate later on

if the weather stays fine should have 4 sessions to knock them over again
Report YOMOMMA April 23, 2015 4:27 PM BST
Hope so, I backed England to win the series.
Report Injera April 23, 2015 4:47 PM BST
They're trying to bat once of course. 500+ by lunch tomorrow (more like tea at this rate).

But will we ever have an England team that picks someone like Hales to open or bat 3 and attempt to destroy an attack?

Bishoo again proving the wisdom of picking an attacking wrist spinner. It's a brave call with only 3 quicks but it's the right call.

Rashid should be either playing here or for Yorks. Not sat in the stand wearing a yellow bib.
Report Injera April 23, 2015 4:48 PM BST
Wow that's unlucky for Bish.
Report mafeking April 23, 2015 4:53 PM BST
really should have 500 by lunch tomorrow. you'd hope that the likes of bell, stokes and buttler will be scoring at more like 4 an over later on with the platform provided and given we could be something like 350/5 at the close at 6 and 7 an over tomorrow morning before a likely declaration

rashid certainly should be playing even if he is a bit rough around edges. don't need both jordan and stokes
Report YOMOMMA April 23, 2015 4:53 PM BST
Slow pitch to say the least. 450 would command a good lead, just hope they do pick up the rate a little bit later in the innings.
Report YOMOMMA April 23, 2015 5:05 PM BST
Nadal lost to Fognini on clay. Shocked

Not much action on the runs lines right now at lunch day 3. Not the most exciting match to watch right now.
Report Injera April 23, 2015 5:14 PM BST
With such a long batting lineup surely there's an opportunity to promote Buttler/Stokes, Ali or Jordan?

10-1 Ballance yes.

100-1 Buttler or Ali???

I look for a coach/captain to impose themselves with innovation and I just don't see it..
Report dylansdad April 23, 2015 7:34 PM BST
root starting the ball rolling
Report mafeking April 23, 2015 8:11 PM BST
yep should be minimum 150 lead by lunch tomorrow even at 3 an over from here
Report Foinavon April 23, 2015 8:53 PM BST
That was a good call this morning Jucel, Thanks Happy
Report YOMOMMA April 23, 2015 9:16 PM BST
Time to hammer home the advantage and push up to 450 - 500 and declare around lunch time tomorrow. Leave plenty of time to take 10 wickets.
Report Mister Fish April 23, 2015 9:27 PM BST
going to be v difficult for WI to escape from this.
Report YOMOMMA April 23, 2015 9:30 PM BST
Ya everyone saying the pitch is only going to deteriorate. Weather could always intervene, that's why I'd declare early at around 500 maybe 525 tops at just after lunch.
Report Mister Fish April 23, 2015 9:33 PM BST
don't see pitch deteriorating, just think Eng will bowl better and WI will be demoralised by the time they come to bat.
Report YOMOMMA April 23, 2015 9:38 PM BST
4 down. Nice innings from Root, at least he's still there. He's made 86 from 112, just what was needed as the top order were on go slow mode.
Report Kelly April 23, 2015 9:48 PM BST
How to make a simple task difficult . Last few overs show exactly why England are just an ordinary team . Lapses of concentration ? --no , just poor batting . There were nearly 2 runouts when there was no pressure .
Report YOMOMMA April 23, 2015 9:50 PM BST
Yes being run out in a Test match is the worst way to lose your wicket.
Report YOMOMMA April 23, 2015 9:50 PM BST
100 Root yay \o/
Report Mister Fish April 23, 2015 10:03 PM BST
i tip a shortening of draw to 2.7 soon when everyone realises day 4 tomorrow and pitch is flat as..
Report YOMOMMA April 23, 2015 10:39 PM BST
Wish they would do something about sledging in cricket, it really isn't needed and ruins the game. England players were giving it to Samuels 1st innings and he's back at them when they are batting.
Report pxb April 24, 2015 12:50 AM BST
Draw does look a bit big. I expect England's tail to faf around tomorrow morning, rather than hit out or get out as they should.
Report pxb April 24, 2015 11:56 AM BST
I'm done. All green for around 100.


England could still lose, batting last.
Report martinmonty April 24, 2015 3:24 PM BST
promising start from an England point of view, should not be worried by losing wickets in this situation. think if weather stays fair eng will win.
Report Foinavon April 24, 2015 4:24 PM BST
Jimmy Laugh How embarrassing.
Report Foinavon April 24, 2015 4:47 PM BST
Redeemed himself Happy
Report YOMOMMA April 24, 2015 4:49 PM BST
wi 210 - 230 all out 2nd innings.
Report Whisperingdeath April 24, 2015 4:59 PM BST
Bravo due a score. I am taking a small punt on that happening as I like a gamble at times. Samuels has done his bit in this match and we can't expect him not to give his wicket away although one can hope he wants to teach Stokes more and the lesson is not over but I doubt it. Shiv unfortunately is a shadow of himself so for me all rests on Bravo. If he gets a hundred he can save the game. A late innings century from someone is unlikely to save the game for Windies.
Report Injera April 24, 2015 6:18 PM BST
Draw plummeting.

What a dull surface.
Report PLEASE TELL THE TRUTH April 24, 2015 7:28 PM BST
great knock by root, but seriously needs to change his attitude, genuine mistake by Anderson, reminds of G.swann who could never keep his mouth closed !!!!
Report DStyle April 24, 2015 7:37 PM BST
the england bowlers were allowed to shout and scream at the fielders when a catch was dropped for far too long.

and the offender often had to apologise in front of the entire dressing room to the bowlers afterwards.

I'd say dropping a catch was far more of a mistake than utterly sh*t running.

good to see anderson getting a dose of his own medicine.
Report PLEASE TELL THE TRUTH April 24, 2015 7:44 PM BST
thought that was wrong mocking the fielders when a dropped catch, England players in the main just spout against each other, has been a culture for too long imo, the management need to tell them to keep the mouths closed as a team game at the highest level !!!
Report PLEASE TELL THE TRUTH April 24, 2015 7:46 PM BST
G.Swann was the worst !!!!
Report Whisperingdeath April 24, 2015 8:55 PM BST
here comes the Enforcer!

I took the liberty of taking some WI at 60's just in case the pitch did break up so sincerely hope this bowling into the bowlers footmarks does break it up!
Report Whisperingdeath April 24, 2015 8:58 PM BST
blow me down with  a feather!
Report Injera April 24, 2015 9:07 PM BST
Good sub plot here.

Mooen getting out bowled by Root.

The door is ajar for Rashid to come in. I won't hold my breath though..
Report cricketnut2 April 24, 2015 10:03 PM BST
As I stated on the 1st Test thread, neither side know how to win and yet again, that is whats going to happen here, not that the Windies have any chance anyway.
Report Whisperingdeath April 24, 2015 10:38 PM BST
Well done young man!

They need to find someone to support him better than Devon Smith who is a walking wicket who brings Bravo in too early.

Would be nice to see the likes of Gayle, Dwayne Smith, Dwayne Bravo and Narine in the test side.

England do look lame here and I guess we shall all be laying England all summerWink
Report pxb April 25, 2015 2:38 AM BST
A modest Eng back to lay, as the new ball is due soon, and it will give me some interest in tomorrow's proceedings.

But the draw does look inevitable.

WD, I agree. Looks like plenty of money to be made over the England summer Tests. They show the Ashes tests live down here.
Report Whisperingdeath April 25, 2015 11:09 AM BST
It's good being patriotic pxb!

Loyalty to the green knows no bounds!

Would love to see a WI counter attack against the hard ball and the pitch breaking up in the afternoon but I guess I would need to smoke some McCartney filterless for that to happen!.

Happy to have a modest green on the draw for now. Not going to bother to cover England
Report trader pj April 25, 2015 4:15 PM BST
wow! what do 1.12 draw backers do now??! hahaha
Report 1alph1 April 25, 2015 4:25 PM BST
rain dance. Impressed by Eng with the new ball today
Report YOMOMMA April 25, 2015 6:21 PM BST
I hope these English twats bat at quicker than 2.4 an over to knock off these 142 runs. Laugh
Report Injera April 25, 2015 6:21 PM BST
Test Cricket Love

The price movements are incredible..
Report DStyle April 25, 2015 6:21 PM BST
eng seem too short here.

there's always the possibility of rain this time of year, which can often just sit over the entire island, and that's before the not impossible chance of england having a meltdown.
Report Injera April 25, 2015 6:22 PM BST
Impressed by Jimmy with the new ball today.

Edited for you!

Happy
Report YOMOMMA April 25, 2015 6:26 PM BST
If England do lose wickets in the chase just call for Root he is great.
Report 1alph1 April 25, 2015 6:27 PM BST
True Injera. Jimmy was great at it all today.
Report diabolicalliability April 25, 2015 6:35 PM BST
block block leave WTF
Report YOMOMMA April 25, 2015 6:38 PM BST
Right so you need to knock off 142 on the last day, so what do you do?

Open with Cook and Trott. Sad
Report YOMOMMA April 25, 2015 6:40 PM BST
No in all fairness, plenty of overs left as long as the weather stays firm.
Report diabolicalliability April 25, 2015 6:40 PM BST
England will never change
Report slip5 April 25, 2015 6:45 PM BST
collapse is possible
Report YOMOMMA April 25, 2015 6:46 PM BST
Should be a doddle. I think England will win by 6 or 7 wickets. Just take no chances, take the singles and score off the bad balls. And don't get yourselves run out.
Report diabolicalliability April 25, 2015 6:49 PM BST
i know slowly slowly catchy ....
Report Whisperingdeath April 25, 2015 6:51 PM BST
I wish to seethe but not sure if i should be seething at myself for being a dope or WI impersonating test cricketers!
Report diabolicalliability April 25, 2015 6:55 PM BST
strange game to sat the least
Report diabolicalliability April 25, 2015 6:55 PM BST
say..
Report kt22 April 25, 2015 7:01 PM BST

Apr 25, 2015 -- 6:51PM, Whisperingdeath wrote:


I wish to seethe but not sure if i should be seething at myself for being a dope or WI impersonating test cricketers!


To be fair, the Poms do a bang up job of impersonating b grade cricketers!

Report diabolicalliability April 25, 2015 7:05 PM BST
jog on bruce
Report Whisperingdeath April 25, 2015 7:20 PM BST
Tony Cozier having an absolute mare. He didn't even see Holder go down. Some of his commentary has been embarrassing. I am shocked!
Report jucel69 April 25, 2015 10:28 PM BST
Massive green at the start of the day. I had it in my mind not to bet and then I started trying to find a partnership! Ended up getting my pants taken down & a miniscule winAngry
Report pxb April 25, 2015 11:18 PM BST
Easy to lose your shirt betting in play on the last day of a test, as I found out in my time at Purple.

Did ok here, and are all green in the series markets. Always a reliable earner for me.

On to the Bangla Test, where Pak are predictably too short.
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