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Now that England have retained the Ashes, what will we get, on what should be a seamer friendly. Another England win hopefully.
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Draw. The amateur meteorologists will tell us otherwise in an attempt to influence the market.
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Cannot see Australia winning, must be gutted and will affect them I reckon.
England win must be, unless weather intervenes. |
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will it really be that seamer friendly ? know it's an absolute cabbage patch for durham in the championship and onions often runs riot but generally it's been pretty flat for the few tests so far and they'll desperate to bank as much money as possible from 5 full days
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Current scene at Durham
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Reckon it will be a dull surface. I'd be amazed if there's any carry of note. There will only be seam if they leave it green which is highly unlikely.
OT was a great test pitch. Always has been. Batsmen made tons, spinners spun, quicks had success, and the match would have gone to the last half hour if it wasn't for the rain.. |
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pitch drains well, early forecast is for showers all through the 5 days, some of them extended
its rained pretty hard today, but that'll be gone within hours of rain stopping pitches have been somewhat lively this season at durham, no idea about this one and doubt we will get to see it now. in the above photo the river isnt far from the big black stands, my friday tickets are in block 16, so that is the view i shall have !!! chester le street has only seen 3 centuries this seaon, 2 against derby by borthwick and jennings and a lovely innings by joe root |
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county championship matches at riverside this season
Durham v Somerset at Chester-le-Street - Apr 10-13, 2013 Durham 250 and 116; Somerset 132 and 186 (63.5 ov, target: 235) Durham v Yorkshire at Chester-le-Street - Apr 24-27, 2013 Durham 237 and 275/4d; Yorkshire 177 and 339/6 (96.5 ov, target: 336) Durham v Middlesex at Chester-le-Street - May 22-25, 2013 Durham 259 and 240/6d; Middlesex 196 and 165/6 (50.3 ov, target: 304) Durham v Warwickshire at Chester-le-Street - Jun 12-14, 2013 Durham 267 and 198; Warwickshire 209 and 245 (63.2 ov, target: 257) Durham v Derbyshire at Chester-le-Street - Jul 8-11, 2013 Durham 253 and 331/9d; Derbyshire 113 and 192 (60.4 ov, target: 472) |
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Only 4 tests at this ground. England won them all, and put up decent 1st Inn scores.
Draw back to lay looks an option. Eng have retained the Ashes and no need for heroics. |
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Can someone please contact the TCCB and ask for more rest days between tests not for the players sakes but for the poor old punters, Im shattered.
All's well that ends well, but it has been nervy stuff. I didnt expect a ball to be bowled today so suitably invested at 3 wickets down my ar se was twitching like a rabbit's nose IF the weather is half decent at Chester Le Street we will get a result. If the draw gets to 3 I will Lay and take it from that point Suspect another weather jangler looming Good luck all |
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Weather at the mo looks pretty good. Just a few showers. But we know how it changed for the OT Test.
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Today's models have vastly improved to only a few showers over the entire 5 days, really need two runs in a row though to confirm the last but at this stage it isn't looking bad at all.
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k.o.with a lay of oz,usually k.o.with a lay of england.england looked nervous at OT expect a much better performance here,dont expect big scores,aussies must be a bit deflated.
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Starting off with a lay of the draw. Hopefully there will be enough time for a result but no idea which way.
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Draw looking short to me. Another important toss to win. Indications are Onions won't play, but if he does should bring Eng in a bit. More shuffling of the order by Aus. And sort of a dead rubber, with the Ashes retained. At this stage I am just trading the draw and not favouring either team.
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Am I right in saying there'll be no temporary floodlights? Could have an impact re time lost. Looks like they'll be cloud around most days but seems impossible to tell how much at this stage.
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draw looks very short but there are no floodlights - weather looks ok at the moment
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Thanks Nigel. Agree draw looks short but forecast will be an interesting one to watch. Cloud cover during a few evening sessions could lead to a lot of lost overs and it could be difficult to make up for that lost time...
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Why would the Aussies be deflated? They just watched the English team pray for rain for 5 days so save their ass.
England are the ones with the negative attitude, and they are the ones that feel they don't need to do any more. They are quite even, and as usual, the toss will play a huge part. |
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They are not deflated BJ, just not very good
 The two sides are not even. Aus batted well and bowled without a world class spinner. England batted poorly as they have most of the series! Cook and Trott average 20's. That is why Aus have not been humiliated further |
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England would have batted out the final day even if it hadn't rained imo - we've got previous
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on no Wurzel,
They were down for the count and saved by the bell but that is cricket! Aus lost the victory when England were 110-4 first innings and proceeded to avoid the follow on. A much hyped bowling attack proving a little over inflated! |
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No, Aus lost the victory when it rained. Did you not watch? Oh, you did ....They were down for the count and saved by the bell but that is cricket!
All this juvenile rubbish is pretty old. If you think they are so far superior, then bet that way. No doubt you lost a fcuking stack on the last match, so double up this game. You want to talk them down, then so be it. But I am not the one feeling like a fcukwit watching my team play such a bad team hoping for 5 days for rain to save them. Both have strengths and weaknesses. You don't want to see it, then put your money where your mouth is. Show us your bank job bet on England... Put up or shut up. No need to ruin every thread with your constant juvenile crap. |
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Are you talking to me or whisperingdeath ?
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yep whispering that was indeed the key moment of the match. same as trentbridge in the 2nd inns oz have not been able to ram home an advantage often enough.
4 innings in a row england have made around 350 despite poor starts in all of them |
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That's rich BJ!
You're the one who can't see it. Aus failed to enforce the follow on and that is what cost them the chance of victory, it was going to rain on the last day. Aus batting again cost them time. FYI I won on the first and third test and would have won plenty more on the second but your boys could not figure out which end of the bat to hold in a first innings that last barely beyond 50 overs on a flat wicket on a sunny day. This is the worst Australian side in 50 years why can't you see it? |
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In my eyes, Aus lost the last test when Clarke declared the first innings on 527 when Starc and Haddin were both set. If they had continued batting to 600+ it is likely that England wouldn't have avoided the follow on and then been bowled out cheaply therefore giving Aus victory.
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Totally agree gin - been loads of talk about how brilliant and aggressive Clark is as captain - well he ballsed that up - should never have declared on 527
cost Australia a chance of victory. |
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I can see it. That doesn't mean for one second that England are much better.
The way you talk, if England had have been forced to follow on they still would have made 350 in the second innings. Have a listen to what you say. Aus used up 146 overs in the first innings. Eng 120 overs to put them under follow on. Then they would have (since in your head they will always make 350) used up another 130 overs in the second innings. That puts it to 390 overs with a lead of about 100 runs. There was 342 overs bowled in the test. So for you to say England are so set to make 350 or so each innings, cannot possibly equate to an Aus win in that scenario based on your own opinion. There was 108 overs missing from the test match. But Aus lost it at the follow on, on what is described as a road. You make zero sense, and in your attempt to be funny? or insulting? or whatever it is you are trying to achieve, all you really manage is to contradict yourself. There was 9 overs lost in Australias innings due to England bowling 12 overs per hour and 99 lost to weather. Given the lost overs, there was no result happening. |
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On a serious note BJT I thought Australia played some good cricket at OT and I respect that they showed plenty of fight after the Lords disaster,
I rate Harris and Siddle as bowlers and Australia would have had a good chance of winning this test without the rain. England were below par here, most test series England will put in a poor performance in one test, Headingley 2009, Perth 2010 and OT 2013 being examples against Australia. |
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The bare stats for the series:
Total runs England 1705 @ 34.1 runs per wicket @ 2.925 runs per over 50 wickets lost Australia 1638 @ 30.33 runs per wicket @ 3.263 runs per over 54 wickets lost 40% of Australias batting has been 4th innings 3% of Englands batting has been 4th innings Average innings expectation England 397 Actual 341 AusBowling(Top 4 only to help you out since you only have 4 bowlers, if they were the only bowlers) 293.4 Australia 324 Actual 303 EngBowling 305 Basically, Australias inexperienced team should average around 324 an innings with the bat. They are averaging 303. England should be bowling teams out on average for 305, they are getting Aus for 303. About average. England should be scoring 397 an innings, yet are scoring 341. Aus bowlers bowling out for 293. All the stats are all based on average. Yet the problem here, is Australia has done 40% of its batting in the 4th innings, in the worst conditions, compared with England doing most of its batting in the first/second innings. England should be much further ahead. Yes they have been more consistant, but how much are people prepared to bet on them given they really are barely in front on the stats, even with the best of the conditions for the majority of the play. The first time Aus got to bat first, they scored 527 for 7 wickets. |
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Basically England are getting Aus out for what they should be based on history, and Australia are getting England out 85% what they should be making in the best conditions.
On a fair comparison, where both teams had equal use of 1/2/3/4 innings conditions, this would put Australia on the whole as outperforming England this series. To suggest they aren't quite even, is simply ridiculous. |
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Some impressive stats ther BJT - lets see what happens in the final 2 tests.
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a lovely day up here in sunny durham today
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With the three heavy scoring county championship matches at riverside this season, and the chance of inclement weather hitting the ground predicted throughout the five days -- you'd have to be an idiot not take some draw as insurance. Draw is firming, precisely because there is a reasonable chance that weather will play some kind of factor in the match and people are taking some early insurance to not be caught out when it hits and takes overs out of the game, and with it the chance of a non-draw result. I think that laying the draw before the off is a very poor bet, and therfore ill-advised.
Agree entirely with BJT, who unlike the earlier poster, actually furnished the thread with some actual evidence to support his view. Cheers, SP |
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Draw is shortening, because mug punters saw it bucket with rain day 5 at Old Trafford.
Cricket test match markets can be particularly irrational. I've seen the draw shorten for a match in Perth, because it was raining 3,000 kms away in Sydney. |
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The prevailing winds in Australia dictate that Sydney weather, or weather in Sydney, cannot possibly ever have an influence on Perth. Moreover, the distance between these East and West capitals is nearly 4,000kms not 3,000kms, which on a continental landmass with tropical influencing weather systems in summer, means even weather in Perth has little chance of affecting Sydney, unless there's a cyclone in the Western Australian town of Exmouth... some 1,200kms north of Perth.
Since markets are driven by the irrational behaviour of some than I suspect that rational betting practices are doing very well for others.  Cheers, SP |
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heavy scoring county championship matches at riverside , did i miss them ?
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Durham v Somerset at Chester-le-Street - Apr 10-13, 2013
Durham 250 and 116; Somerset 132 and 186 (63.5 ov, target: 235) Durham v Yorkshire at Chester-le-Street - Apr 24-27, 2013 Durham 237 and 275/4d; Yorkshire 177 and 339/6 (96.5 ov, target: 336) Durham v Middlesex at Chester-le-Street - May 22-25, 2013 Durham 259 and 240/6d; Middlesex 196 and 165/6 (50.3 ov, target: 304) Durham v Warwickshire at Chester-le-Street - Jun 12-14, 2013 Durham 267 and 198; Warwickshire 209 and 245 (63.2 ov, target: 257) Durham v Derbyshire at Chester-le-Street - Jul 8-11, 2013 Durham 253 and 331/9d; Derbyshire 113 and 192 (60.4 ov, target: 472) Shamelessly copied from yourself below Donny Can someone point out the heavy scoring bit?? |
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The draw has been too short all day but is starting to get bigger
Weather forecast was OK anyway but is improving Draw will be alot nearer 3.7 than 3.2 this time tomorrow |