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Mud Man
29 Dec 09 23:06
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Stuart Broad has taken 72 Test wickets in 24 matches. Not mind-blowing, by any measure, but this is almost exactly double the number Andrew Flintoff had at the same stage of his Test career and at a far superior average (34 against 52). I think he will end up with a better batting average than Flintoff as well (29.03 against Flintoff's 31.77). I never did understand the hero-worship that Flintoff inspired. Broad will be the far better cricketer.
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Report Sterling Morrison December 29, 2009 11:12 PM GMT
Beefy after 24?
Report eye_iz_ere December 29, 2009 11:15 PM GMT
Flintoff started his career as a batsman that bowled a bit of medium pace.
Report Mud Man December 29, 2009 11:16 PM GMT
Not sure about IT Botham after 24. Both and Flintoff were both Mavericks. Broad is more orthodox with McGrath as his hero. Line and length and hitting off stump.
Report Mud Man December 29, 2009 11:20 PM GMT
Flintoff never batted above 7 early is his career. So he wasn't played by England as a batsman.
Report Mud Man December 29, 2009 11:21 PM GMT
Batted at 8 on his debut against SA in 1998 at Trent Bridge.
Report Nailed_On December 29, 2009 11:22 PM GMT
Flintoff batted at 6 plenty.
Report Nailed_On December 29, 2009 11:22 PM GMT
Sorry missed the early lol
Report Sterling Morrison December 29, 2009 11:22 PM GMT
but later
Report eye_iz_ere December 29, 2009 11:24 PM GMT
He was picked as the number seven batsman in his first Test. He was always the fourth seamer when he played. His bowling was average until he lead the attack with Hoggard in India.
Report Mud Man December 29, 2009 11:26 PM GMT
Think 7 was really his position, like Gillepsie and Boucher. He could counter-attack but really didn't have the technique to battle it out.
Report Mud Man December 29, 2009 11:28 PM GMT
He batted at 8 against SA in 1998 in the first innings (didn't bat in 2nd as we won by 8 wickets) but perhaps Salisbury went in above him as a night watchman.
Report dougydougy. December 29, 2009 11:34 PM GMT
Some sporstman are far more than mere numbers, freddy was one of these, leave it at that.

Ask any current batsman in the world who would they rather face. And ask any bowler in the world who they would rather bowl to, then you'll get your answer. Also his stats are massively skewed by his early test career. Broad is an excellent prospect, but fred had a sparkle.
Report Mud Man December 29, 2009 11:37 PM GMT
Absolutely agree that Flintoff was as much about charisma and boosting morale as his bowling and batting, as was IT Botham. However, I think Broad will prove to be a much better cricketer than Flintoff.
Report JustWinBaby December 30, 2009 12:29 AM GMT
You could make a case that the quality of opposition that Freddie had to play against (& did well against) was far superior to anything Broad has played against.
Report JustWinBaby December 30, 2009 12:30 AM GMT
Point being you need to look beyond simply stats
Report aston December 30, 2009 1:45 AM GMT
What about Swann? 13 matches batting average 36.75 bowling average 31.32. Early days but so far much better than Flintoff and Broad but Broad has youth on his side so should improve.
Report brewer1 December 30, 2009 1:58 AM GMT
Good point about Swanny, rapidly becoming a bit of a legend - and always the go-to guy for post game interviews
- what was he up to when we were ar$ing around keeping the King of Spain in the team and then Monty??
Report Birchola December 30, 2009 2:03 AM GMT
It's time folk on here started giving Broady the credit he deserves. You don't become a lucky bowler by chance. You earn that luck with persistence and ability.

As for Swanny, he should have been instilled as Englands first choice spinner as soon as he was man of the series when we last beat the Lankans away in the last ODI series. By far and away our best spinner come batsman.
Report Max and Paddy December 30, 2009 2:09 AM GMT
The Convicts have got a problem next year.

:: If they prepare flat tracks, we'll take a 0-0 draw :)
:: If they prepare green tops, Anderson and Onions wil destroy them
:: If they prepare dry tracks, Swann will out-bowl Hauritz

What's an Aussie to do?
Report Birchola December 30, 2009 2:13 AM GMT
Yeah man! It's gonna be a good Winter which ever way you look at it :D
Report brewer1 December 30, 2009 2:15 AM GMT
Couldn't agree more.
Hope they can still be laid around the 1.5 mark when it comes closer. Seriously over-rated, just can't commit the bank to it and give up the punt for 11months waiting !
Report Max and Paddy December 30, 2009 2:16 AM GMT
Well I'll be at Brisbane and Adelaide. If we're only 1-0 up when I head back to Blighty, I'll be disappointed..

:)
Report brewer1 December 30, 2009 2:29 AM GMT
Gonna try and do the lot this time - just did Melbourne & Sydney in 06-07. Can't wait to exorcise those memories. Not looking forward to the mad ticket scramble though - there's gotta be a better way of securing your tickets than the flaming ticketek website that kept freezing after you'd spend 5mins navigating through to the last page to pay !!
Report Max and Paddy December 30, 2009 2:41 AM GMT
brewer - there's always a way. Yes, the racist ticket policy of CA is not good. But bear with it and you will get your reward :)
Report positively4thsteet December 30, 2009 5:43 AM GMT
dougydougy 30 Dec 00:34


Some sporstman are far more than mere numbers, freddy was one of these, leave it at that.

Ask any current batsman in the world who would they rather face. And ask any bowler in the world who they would rather bowl to, then you'll get your answer. Also his stats are massively skewed by his early test career. Broad is an excellent prospect, but fred had a sparkle.


that just about sums it up imo. well said dougy
Report SonicYouthRules December 30, 2009 5:47 AM GMT
agree with a lot of what dougydougy said, but disagree with another poster that Broad hasnt faced decent opposition - rem the Ashes and now the S Africans, suposedly the top Test team currently
Report positively4thsteet December 30, 2009 6:25 AM GMT
HE does largely live off the 2005 Ashes, (and i don't begrudge him that for one second, simply loved that series, every fkin second of it) though he had a lot of golden moments for a few years surrounding that series (came 3rd in sports personality in 2004) but his statistics don't quite stack up against botham, imran khan, kallis etc.

Fantastic player imo. lets leave it at that.
Report eye_iz_ere December 30, 2009 7:41 AM GMT
One could argue that this Aussie side is a lot weaker than it used to be and South Africa are not what they were.
Report Innocent Bystander December 30, 2009 7:42 AM GMT
its always argued that when England beat any side :D
Report ramone December 30, 2009 8:03 AM GMT
The Aussies are a decent team who will not be beaten easily and would be favourites to beat England if they were playing now imo
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