Injuns v Aussies... will it be 6-1 or 5-2....

make that 4 ted

Deadly , no i am not saying missing players are not a factor....i am saying missing player will become the norm in future cos of wall to wall cricket and teams that can call up decent replacements will be better placed to handle it.

Yes Joe...but India miss 1 player and we never hear the end of it....any way, Australia is showing how many first class ODI players...to keep winning away from home is so hard

quite correct phil as the 250+ backers will testify :0

my spread is 10-12 smileys in the reposte .. ;)

anyother 03 Nov 07:36
in all fairness you've posted .. however you have'nt posted why you think it went wrong today .. just that iyo it won't happen again .. any reasons ?:|

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of course not - if india were 4-0 up, he'd be saying 7-0.....if india were 4-0 down, he'd be saying 4-3 and on to future world dominance

i can't believe i wasted this much energy commenting on bigjoe and india...

;) .. keep walking by the open windows

As per BCCI rules that a player must be sent home after every Indian loss, Aus have selected Peter Siddle to play no further part in the series.

:^0

:)

p.s. if it gets really serious, they might have to consider playing jon holland...

Playing against the Australian second XI they should have won this series 7-0.

Siddle out now as well for Australia

Blimey glad to see some interest in this fred at last ;)

As for reasons why injuns lost...mixture of complacency...bad running..... one bad umpiring decision... but no gripes about that, that can happen to any team :(

But as usual, i am seeing it as a blessing in disguise :) .. better prices for a while longer as the injun doubters have their batteries and interest recharged ;)

Recent history has shown that the best time to lump on injuns is just after a loss .. they usually give themselves a kick up the proverbial cos they know they are are the best in the world ;)

So, my advice is simple .... if you think they will be complacent at Hydrobad... forget it .... if you think they will not win this series comfortably... forget it ...... if you thinking of backing aussies at hydrobad .. forget it...... injuns will shows whos boss ..i look forward to hearing from you guys after hydrobad.... or not hearing from you as the case maybe ;)

Good Luck :)

I never cease to be amazed by the sheer self delusion exhibited by the big man. India 1st XI only drawing 2-2 at home with Aussie 2nd XI. Hardly makes them the best ODI team in the world.....

Siddle gone home injured now..

Getting close to Aussie 3rd's now.........can the mighty Indians beat such a strong side????!!!!

offshore 03 Nov 08:56


I never cease to be amazed by the sheer self delusion exhibited by the big man. India 1st XI only drawing 2-2 at home with Aussie 2nd XI. Hardly makes them the best ODI team in the world.....

Offshore ... 2 Years ago, In tests Aussies were about 20 points ahead of india in test rankings.. now they are below India :( ... 2 years ago, aussies were on 140 points in ODI rankings, Injuns 108 points.. not its around 130 each of them ..... in the last 2 years, India are the ONLY team that is undefeated in all ODI series , home and away ...and its INDIA that that is on the longest unbeaten run in test matches :0

I suggest all that points to them being the best in the world right now..... anyone that denies that is more delusional or blinkered then i am ;)

its all about now bj .. not the last two years and right now they are 2-2 against a severely debilitated oz team at home ?:|

Cheers anyother, you saved me a post there. Have to say that bashing your head against a brick wall is more productive than trying to persuade BJ that drawing 2-2 at home to a second string Aussie side does not really suggest that India are the best ODI team in the world.

in a way i wish they were 4-0 up and heading towards a whitewash .. would have rightly put them right up the top of the tree and given other teams something to aim at .. instead all thats being proved is that t20 whilst reshaping the game is at the same time .. imo .. dissipating it .. as in the injuries that players now seem willing to carry on playing thru which eventually lead to the scenes we are seeing now .. mammon is king ..

oh ok.. so defenition of best team in world changes every game..... so i take it then that when ausssies lost to bangladesh they were demoted to 9th best team in the wworld for a few days ;)

not at all .. one game does'nt provide enough data to formulate an opinion .. however 4 games gives you a much better data base .. 7 even more so .. if india win the remaining 3 games then i'll come back to you ;)

ok then if 4 games is good sample..i guess you think most recent 6 ODI games between the 2 is also relevant, especially as those 6 games will include 2 games in australia with aussies fielding their strongest possible lineup :0 .. score of those 6 games currently stands 4-2 to injuns ;)

Or better still, lets increase the sample to the most recent 12 meetings in all formats.. of those 12 games.. aussies have won a grand total of 2 :^0

Like i said, anyone that thinks Injuns not currently the best side in the world is more blinkered then i am ;)

and its even more amazing that its Aussies 3rd X1 that have won those 2 from 12 :^0 .. how bad were the aussie 1st and 2nd X1 that failed to win any of the other 10 meetings :^0

Have to say that bashing your head against a brick wall is more productive than trying to persuade BJ that drawing 2-2 at home to a second string Aussie side does not really suggest that India are the best ODI team in the world.

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As observed earlier in this thread, it is astounding that the so-called "best" ODI side in the world failed to reach the last 4 of the recent ICC Champions Trophy, or even make it to the Super 8's of the last World Cup. How is that coffee smelling Joe????

India = Dan Marino

off shore.. would you rather reach semis of world tounaments..or be undefeated for 2 years against all comers, home and away in ODI series AND be the hardest test team to beat in the world , home or away ;)

Bit like saying a team that wins the carling and fa cups is better then premiership winners ;)

Cannot believe you are comparing the Cricket World Cup to the Carling Cup or FA Cup. It's like suggesting that the England football team would rather win a load of friendly matches than the footy World Cup.The CWC is the tournament that all countries want to win. It is far more important to win, or at least perform well at the CWC, than it is to win any number of fairly meaningless one-day series. Please PLEASE at least TRY to smell that coffee!!

off shore.. would you rather reach semis of world tounaments..or be undefeated for 2 years against all comers, home and away in ODI series AND be the hardest test team to beat in the world , home or away

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not sure about the semis, but i would take winning both those tournaments undefeated.....

(come on, you handed that to me on a PLATTER!! ;) )

LDLS. Bigjoe's got a big shovel, and nothing you or I could say is gonna stop him digging.....

:-) :-0 ;-);-)

Just cannot get the hang of those smileys!! They are the one thing BJ could teach me about!! ;-)

it's interesting joe, because i am actually starting to listen to and respect your opinion on other teams - you clearly watch a lot of cricket and when you are objective usually provide some good insight

but threads like this and anything you post about india are not worth the time of day....everyone knows you are going to tip india - depending on the circumstances you can provide very good or very flimsy reasons why this is so...that is all these threads are ever going to provide

india may well win this series 5-2......but i think it is time to let this thread die and start looking at game 5 objectively, don't you??

bj .. you are missing my point completely .. i wanted them to kick on from their recent ODI ( lets use two yrs ) success .. ie .. win the world cup .. i also expected them to be way too strong in all depts for this oz side .. the brutal facts are that they failed in the WC and they are being far from dominant in this current series .. stop looking on everything thats said here as an attack on your beloved indians .. as i said before lets see how they perform in the nxt 3 games eh instead of throwing stats around like a juggler on speed ;)

Anyother, i was a million times more dissapointed then you that india did not do well in the ICC events.... BUT, these latest exchanges have been in response to Offshores assertion that i was mad to think injuns were best team in the world :0

Ok, let's approach this from another angle.. if he disagrees with me that india are not the best.. who does he say is ?:|

Is it Aussies.. who are now 4th in test rankings :( and have slipped in and out of top spot after being miles ahead only 18 months ago in ODI rankings ?

Is it Saffers, who lost 4-0 to england in ODI series as well as losing a test series at home to aussies.. surely if india and england can beat aussies at home, why not saffers ?:| and of course saffers record in world events is worse then Indias :0

Or does he think its Sri Lanka, Pakistan, England , kiwis or windies :(

I have stated why i feel india are brest at present, yes they slipped up yesterday... but their record over last 2 years in all formats is second to none.... and THATS why i sauy they are second to none as far as being top dogs is concerned ;)

Lies, DamnLies, and Statistics 03 Nov 12:50

but threads like this and anything you post about india are not worth the time of day....everyone knows you are going to tip india - depending on the circumstances you can provide very good or very flimsy reasons why this is so...that is all these threads are ever going to provide

Hear hear.

Joe - you have tipped India to win every single game they have played in the last 4 years. That's fine and entirely your prerogative. But please don't try to use stats to justify doing so as they are completely irrelevant to your decision. You back India because they are your team and you rate them, not because of form or results.

At the moment you keep citing the last 10 or 12 matches in all forms of the game because that analysis favours India. But if it didn't, you wouldn't mention it, and I've never heard you use that yardstick in any other pre-series analysis. Australia won their last ODI series in India, so you ignore that. But if India had won it, you would be hammering it home in every post.

Using stats and form is one way of assessing value, but it isn't yours - you rely on your judgement and gut feel, and that does you pretty well. Trying to justify those instincts with randomly selected stats (half of which you get wrong) is pointless and in my opinion undermines your standing.

What if, for example, India had Australia's record in ODIs over the last three years and Australia had India's? Would you still be claiming that a superior record in bi-lateral series was worth more than two Champions Trophies and one World Cup? Of course you wouldn't, so to claim it in India's favour now is meaningless.

You rate India. We get it. But please spare us the cherry-picking of data to support it.

BJ, there are several intenational teams that are much of a muchness in ODI's. Aussies, at full strength, on the evidence of the past few months, would seem to be the best. Saffers are very good, but inconsistent and still prone to "bottling". The Lankans also have their moments, especially in the sub-continent. Pakistan can be the best or the worst on any given day, as has forever been the case. India would be in a bunch of closely grouped sides BEHIND the Aussies, who thrashed England in England, and then went unbeaten in the ICC Champions Trophy. As has been REPEATEDLY pointed out to you in this thread, a second string Aussie side has matched India IN India during this present series.
Hope all that helps......(please let it help, PLEASE let it help!!)

Ok that helps Offshore :)

SP ...yes i plead guilty to backing injuns every game, assuming they are over 1.5 ;)

The reason is simple ..as i said 3 years ago, from a betting point of view they , along with sri lanka and pakistan were underrated by the markets and suggested a simple strategy of backing them blind to prove it.. and i started a thread covering each of their games against non asian sides... as you know that fred proved CONCLUSILVLY, after 120 bets with a ROI of around 30% after commision in all formats :0

India still remain underrated by the markets... they have won around 70% of their ODI games in last 2 years.... yet their pre match prices have averaged 1.7+

When they start being Aussie like prices ( 1.3 prematch) i will stop backing them.... till then, i still expect them to win at least 70% of their ODIs and as long as i keep making the rupees backing thenm at 1.7+ i will be happy.

I take on board your point about selective stats :( ... but i am soooooo desperate for others to get in on the injun goldmine that i resort to that to convince others that there are rupees to be made by backing india blindly these days.... :D

Now you see that's much better BJ. You are not insisting that India are the best ODI team in that latest post. I still don't agree with you mond, as I think each game between these two is pretty much a coin toss at present. The series will be won 4-3 either way, with the Aussies being so decimated by injury.

*mind

Series should have a * next to it if India go on and win. Unbelievable achievement if Aus win this after all the injuries.

Paine/Haddin
Siddle
Lee
Clarke
Bracken
Hopes

All missing. Shows where the strength in depth really lies.

yes Lix

the team been away on the road for a long time

6-1 in england..win every game in CT in south africa, and to have so many players out...but still 2-2 away in India...not many teams can do this

Add Ferguson to that list lix

Now Henriques out

injuns will be more more sad then aussies about moises out :(

Head in Hands man please :D

This thread gets worse and worse.

Expect Ponting and Hussey to be missing next game and India to still find a way of losing.

Win or lose this series Joe, even with 2 x 100 run wins the indians have been absolutely woeful in this series. You are never approaching world dominance until you can crush weakened opposition in match after match. The Indian bowling lacks penetration, the fielding is not international standard and the batting lacks control, especially in tight situations.

Full credit to the Australians here, superb effort though they are driving me mental betting wise.

thats why india won't dominate in ODI's .. their fielding today was far from dominant .. fantastic knock by tendles but look at the score without him .. and thats against the oz 3rd team remember .. :^0

Both teams officially on the Deadly Earnest Elite Despised List where only the most detested conveyances ever find themselves. I can tell you who will just about win every match between this pair of random outfits - whoever the stats, ground history, form, selection news and common sense says will lose, that's who. It would have to be true of about 25 of their last 30 meetings in all forms of cricket now.

I f*cking hate the lot of them.

Without doubt India would have won if only they's made half the errors in the field - schoolboy to say the least from International cricketers :^0

Surprised Joe hasnt been on yet with his garbled defence ;\

So thats 4-1 in the bag ;) .. only question is can the ausssies save the embarrasment of a 6-1 mauling by winning either the 4th game at hydrobad.. or the final one in Mumbai ?:|

I've come all over confused by this particular nugget - anyone else?

No doubt bj meant India to win the series 4-3

The answer to this thread would appear to be "No".

Not one of my better calls :( .. i think i will file ie it under "back to the drawing board" :(

As for some of your points.... yes i agree the fielding is not the best.. but its NEVER been the best :( .... but with the likes of raina, yuvraj, kohli i think the fielding will get better, though it will never be be up with the best in the world :(

Their strentgh remains their batting, i would still rather have this batting lineup and lose 20 runs in the field rather then save those 20 runs and have an average batting lineup :0

I still think they will win this series 4-3 ... but even if that isd the result, the moral victory will be with the aussies.. great effort by them with a makeshift team :)

Overall though.. though i am dissaponted tonight..i KNOW india will dominate over the next few decades... but they have to learn from games like today. They got toooooooo much talent coming through not to dominate... but this domination will not be of the sort that aussies and windies teams of past.. they will be the best that is no doubt.... but the gap between them and the rest will not be as great as we seen in the past with those windies and aussie sides :)

Finally, lets not forget that this was only the 8th time injuns have lost in last 31 games.... a strike rate of 75% ... for a team that averages a price of around 1.7 pre match...backing india blind STILL remains a very profitable pastime overall ;)

Good Luck :)

"the fielding will get better, though it will never be be up with the best in the world"

therein lies the flaw with indian domination .. the two truly great dominant teams were excellent in all aspects of the game .. the ozzies we know about but the windies .. imo .. never got the kudos for their fielding when they were dominant .. i just don't understand why india can't get it right when it comes to fielding .. ?:|

"backing india blind STILL remains a very profitable pastime overall "

BJ .. if you used Kelly staking with your estimates of the prob of India win - would that be profitable?

Joe, the fielding was woeful..... the bigger problem is how you replace the wee man when he hangs up his bollock protector

irreplaceable

I think this actually was a decent enough prediction by you Joe, although I am uncertain now what the odds were. I didn't back the 5-2, 6-1 results but rather had something on India to win the series at 1.7x after match 2 when injuries were only just starting to affect key Australian players.

You expect India to start a bit slowly in a series like this but I can't find any real excuse for the last 2 poor performances after 2 very good performances in matches 2 and 3. You have simply been let down by unprofessional cricket. If they apply themselves as we would all reasonably expect they are 4-1 up right now and you look a genius. The trouble is for punters is it is quite difficult to legislate for irregular player error if we can call it that. Needless runouts etc.

During both the last two matches India managed to pace their innings very well, but gifted away wickets needlessy with totally unprofessional and sloppy cricket. Australia were doing something not dissimilar in their last home season in ODI's v South Africa and NNew Zealand. The whole thing just gets very frustrating when you make what should be decent bets and the stupoid players refuse to co-operate.

if you ask me India are going massively backeards.

Tendles retires, Snooty gone, Dravid on the heap, Sehwag fires sometimes, Gambhir, gawd knows. YS hit or miss, injury problems to bowlers bla bla. Beaten by Oz 2nds all hands up a few times.

Oh Dear.

Dohnut last man standing is a shocking omission from my last post however

DE .. it was a decent prediction but the prob with the big fella is that we all knew it was coming before it came .. as has been pointed out endlessly his canny eye becomes myopic as far as his beloved injuns are concerned .. the top ups recently must be hurting .. holds breathe and awaits the multi-emoticon laden reposté .. ;)

and deadly, don't forget this thread was started after game 1...joe was tipping 7-0 or 6-1 before the series started...

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;)

i'm glad they have failed to achieve no 1 status in the ODI rankings even if they win from here (they needed to win 5) .. on the showing so far it would have been undeserved .. :)

sorry, thread started after game 2...

and bj's recent ODI stats re india are starting to shred like a worn out prayer flag on top of everest

you have a flair for a simile anyother...

I ask you Big Joe could India have won in Australia with 9-10 players missing from the side?

Could they have been competitive in a 7 match series in Australia with the loss of so many players?

I feel not. And there in the lies the difference. Australia digs deeper.

No Clarke, Ferguson,Haddin, Paine, Hopes, Lee, Bracken, Siddle,Henriques (no major loss).

Australians have done very well regardless on the final series result.

narro .... india beat aussies 2-0 in aussieland when aussies had their strongest side out possible :0 ..... india also won the world 20-20 with what was at that time a second string team while others were fielding strong sides :0

Injuns lost 4-3 to england .. yet 18 months later they beat them 5-0 ?:|

Saffers lose 4-0 to england.. yet thrash aussies away ?:|

Fact is we get these unexpected results in ODI matches... this series is further proof that anything is possible ON ANY GIVEN DAY ... but OVERALL .. india, in both formats of the game, have moved up the rankings faster, and consistently then the rest in last 2 years.

2 years ago they were 5th in tests, and 4th in ODI rankings :0 .... Since they they have not lost a series overseas or at home in 50 over cricket.. and they are currently on the longest unbeaten run in tests of all the nations :)

So i say this... yes they have had a setback.. but overall they remain on course to be the best team in both formatd over the next decade ;)

And dont forget the other blessing in disguise every time to lose a couple of games.. namely, their doubters and the markets continue to offer us 1.7+ on a team that on average, lonly loses one game in 4 in last 33 matches ;)

I will continue to back them at these prices.. they will continue to win at least 75% of their ODI games in next few years..i really aint complaining ..believe me ;)

like a sad lament ain't it :D

Plenty of money around for Injuns to win the current series @ 13/8... Why are you not snapping it all up Joseph?

I'm in balls deep on India series victory here ... I really hope India can keep the series alive on Sunday and that we go to Mumbai for the decider !!! :^0 Mumbai dead rubber would be sooooo disappointing :(

Joe, when in our lifetimes did India beat Australia 2-0 in Australia?

And in what way was the T20 wc winning team second string?

hi deadly... the CB series final was won by Injuns 2-0 :D

As for the 20-20 cup winning team.. if you remember the injuns did not take it seriously at that time, they rested tendulkar, ganguly, dravid, laxman, kumble etc ... and made a promising young wicketkeeper the captain ;)

he means the best of 3 final in the benson and hedges series (or whatever it's called these days) in oz the other year.

aus and india played 6 times in that series - 3-2 to india with 1 no result...but of course joe chooses to focus on the better-sounding 2-0 result of the finals...yawn

That lot wouldn't win a t20 churches comp Joe.

With respect, your 2-0 in oz is just silly, something like us saying Oz are 2-0 up on this trip to India because they have won the last two.

Playing devils advocate or just preempting BJ but winning when it mattered. Agree though that it is a silly unneeded attempt to pluck a "stat" from the sky.

from the master of the pluck tho ;)

looks like 5-2 then ;)

Oz rule in odi format - in indai with 3rd string bowling attack :0

enough said ;) believe me B-)

'nuff said ;)

Aussie 2nds 4 India 2

It won't be 6-1 so 5-2 it is.

very disappointing ////pathetic effort by india, am totally gutted :(

hahahahahah

Team Australia the best team IN THE WORLD

Does anyone know what the series prices were for 5-2 to the aussies?

Australia's series win, its fifth in a row in India, fortifies its No. 1 ranking in one-day cricket. The captain said he hoped the win would ''get the recognition it deserves''.



Joe...where were you getting your stats from

or right Joe...no more talk about how great this India team is...it a good team, nothing great about it

I have been to India twice - they are cricket mad. Millions of people playing everywhere in parks and streets and wherever there is space. They love talking about it and I was always surprised at the knowledge and enthusiasm the normal Indian has for the cricket.
Yet these billion + people who love this sport to the exclusion of all other games get continually humbled at the same sport by OZ where 20 million people consider cricket sport no. 3 (behind Rugby League and Aussie Rules? my guess here).

Joe, you lot must be the worst sportsmen on the face of the earth.

the shame of this defeat is that they have shown no bottle at all when it mattered.

completely folded this morning & like i said elsewhere, if Lee was fit it would have been 7-0

Yes happy to concede thaat ffor now, the aussies remain top dogs in ODI.. but only for now ;)

Woeful series for injuns :( .. BUT, lets not forget its their first defeat in a series , home or away for 2 years.. so is it a blip.. or something more worrying :(

The next few series will tell us the answer ;) ..i will be a happy bunny if injuns lose just the one series every 2 years :D

Looking at 6 -1 here I think

More importantly Joe, we need to find a reason/plan, how you can erase this series from everyones minds, so it fits in with another bout of untrue/mindless stats next year, to argue that India are truly top dog.

Maybe we could use the India are unbeaten in all forms of cricket for 3 seasons if we discount November games.

There must be a way around this blip, an outside distraction that can be used as a smokescreen?

don't worry BB .. if it exists the big fella will find it .. ;)

bakerboy....india have a "proud" record of dissapointing series/ tournies :(

But the one thing previous setbacks have in common is that they have proved to be blips rather then a sign of a collapse of injun cricket :0

I have seen the hopes and fantasies of Injun doubters brutally and mercilessly dashed in last few years :0

they are having orgasmic eruptions again at the thought that THIS time injuns might be on a downward spirel.. i fear though, that once again those fantasies and hopes will be dashed as India again prove that this was another blip..and they come back on track over the next few years ;)

yes they need to look at reasons why they lost this series..... yes they need to learn from it.... but one thing they don't need to do is go over the top and make a mountain out of a molehill.. they know they got the talent.... they know they have already proved they can get to No1 ranking ...they just need to prove it again.. and they will.. believe me ;

bj, you probably shouldn't refer to other peoples' fantasies on this thread...

:|

"they know they got the talent"

I think that is half the problem.

lets dissect it .. ;)

bigjoe 09 Nov 13:08


bakerboy....india have a "proud" record of dissapointing series/ tournies .. :^0

But the one thing previous setbacks have in common is that they have proved to be blips rather then a sign of a collapse of injun cricket .. er they only just got anywhere near the top .. so logically it would be a cessation of their improvement rather than a collapse .. ;)
I have seen the hopes and fantasies of Injun doubters brutally and mercilessly dashed in last few years .. paranoid schizophrenic springs to mind :0

they are having orgasmic eruptions .. i wish .. :( again at the thought that THIS time injuns might be on a downward spirel.. i fear though, that once again those fantasies and hopes will be dashed as India again prove that this was another blip..and they come back on track over the next few years .. thought they were already the dominant force in world ckt ?:|
yes they need to look at reasons why they lost this series..... yes they need to learn from it.... but one thing they don't need to do is go over the top and make a mountain out of a molehill.. they know they got the talent.... they know they have already proved they can get to No1 ranking ...they just need to prove it again.. and they will.. believe me ; .. NO

looks like India 6-1 or 5-2 backers will get their money back ....so maybe Joe's off the hook

Yep.. Voided :D

Swings and roundabouts though...i backed injuns to beat England 7-0, 6-1 and 5-2 recently.. they were 5-0 up.. mumbai bombings made that market void :(