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By:
offshore
When: 03 Nov 09 14:25
Now you see that's much better BJ. You are not insisting that India are the best ODI team in that latest post. I still don't agree with you mond, as I think each game between these two is pretty much a coin toss at present. The series will be won 4-3 either way, with the Aussies being so decimated by injury.
By:
offshore
When: 03 Nov 09 14:25
*mind
By:
Lix
When: 03 Nov 09 15:15
Series should have a * next to it if India go on and win. Unbelievable achievement if Aus win this after all the injuries.

Paine/Haddin
Siddle
Lee
Clarke
Bracken
Hopes

All missing. Shows where the strength in depth really lies.
By:
nairda
When: 03 Nov 09 15:18
yes Lix

the team been away on the road for a long time

6-1 in england..win every game in CT in south africa, and to have so many players out...but still 2-2 away in India...not many teams can do this
By:
STEPTOES YARD
When: 03 Nov 09 20:09
Add Ferguson to that list lix
By:
tigertiger
When: 04 Nov 09 07:31
Now Henriques out
By:
bigjoe
When: 04 Nov 09 08:24
injuns will be more more sad then aussies about moises out :(
By:
TwoTonTed
When: 05 Nov 09 17:04
Head in Hands man please :D
By:
Lix
When: 05 Nov 09 17:12
This thread gets worse and worse.

Expect Ponting and Hussey to be missing next game and India to still find a way of losing.
By:
Deadly Earnest
When: 05 Nov 09 17:16
Win or lose this series Joe, even with 2 x 100 run wins the indians have been absolutely woeful in this series. You are never approaching world dominance until you can crush weakened opposition in match after match. The Indian bowling lacks penetration, the fielding is not international standard and the batting lacks control, especially in tight situations.

Full credit to the Australians here, superb effort though they are driving me mental betting wise.
By:
anyother
When: 05 Nov 09 17:26
thats why india won't dominate in ODI's .. their fielding today was far from dominant .. fantastic knock by tendles but look at the score without him .. and thats against the oz 3rd team remember .. :^0
By:
Deadly Earnest
When: 05 Nov 09 17:34
Both teams officially on the Deadly Earnest Elite Despised List where only the most detested conveyances ever find themselves. I can tell you who will just about win every match between this pair of random outfits - whoever the stats, ground history, form, selection news and common sense says will lose, that's who. It would have to be true of about 25 of their last 30 meetings in all forms of cricket now.

I f*cking hate the lot of them.
By:
TwoTonTed
When: 05 Nov 09 17:58
Without doubt India would have won if only they's made half the errors in the field - schoolboy to say the least from International cricketers :^0

Surprised Joe hasnt been on yet with his garbled defence ;\
By:
TwoTonTed
When: 05 Nov 09 18:00
So thats 4-1 in the bag ;) .. only question is can the ausssies save the embarrasment of a 6-1 mauling by winning either the 4th game at hydrobad.. or the final one in Mumbai ?:|

I've come all over confused by this particular nugget - anyone else?
By:
JustWinBaby
When: 05 Nov 09 18:06
No doubt bj meant India to win the series 4-3
By:
bushy
When: 05 Nov 09 18:20
The answer to this thread would appear to be "No".
By:
bigjoe
When: 05 Nov 09 19:02
Not one of my better calls :( .. i think i will file ie it under "back to the drawing board" :(

As for some of your points.... yes i agree the fielding is not the best.. but its NEVER been the best :( .... but with the likes of raina, yuvraj, kohli i think the fielding will get better, though it will never be be up with the best in the world :(

Their strentgh remains their batting, i would still rather have this batting lineup and lose 20 runs in the field rather then save those 20 runs and have an average batting lineup :0

I still think they will win this series 4-3 ... but even if that isd the result, the moral victory will be with the aussies.. great effort by them with a makeshift team :)

Overall though.. though i am dissaponted tonight..i KNOW india will dominate over the next few decades... but they have to learn from games like today. They got toooooooo much talent coming through not to dominate... but this domination will not be of the sort that aussies and windies teams of past.. they will be the best that is no doubt.... but the gap between them and the rest will not be as great as we seen in the past with those windies and aussie sides :)

Finally, lets not forget that this was only the 8th time injuns have lost in last 31 games.... a strike rate of 75% ... for a team that averages a price of around 1.7 pre match...backing india blind STILL remains a very profitable pastime overall ;)

Good Luck :)
By:
anyother
When: 05 Nov 09 19:25
"the fielding will get better, though it will never be be up with the best in the world"

therein lies the flaw with indian domination .. the two truly great dominant teams were excellent in all aspects of the game .. the ozzies we know about but the windies .. imo .. never got the kudos for their fielding when they were dominant .. i just don't understand why india can't get it right when it comes to fielding .. ?:|
By:
tigertiger
When: 05 Nov 09 19:27
"backing india blind STILL remains a very profitable pastime overall "

BJ .. if you used Kelly staking with your estimates of the prob of India win - would that be profitable?
By:
bombaclart
When: 05 Nov 09 19:47
Joe, the fielding was woeful..... the bigger problem is how you replace the wee man when he hangs up his bollock protector

irreplaceable
By:
Deadly Earnest
When: 05 Nov 09 23:01
I think this actually was a decent enough prediction by you Joe, although I am uncertain now what the odds were. I didn't back the 5-2, 6-1 results but rather had something on India to win the series at 1.7x after match 2 when injuries were only just starting to affect key Australian players.

You expect India to start a bit slowly in a series like this but I can't find any real excuse for the last 2 poor performances after 2 very good performances in matches 2 and 3. You have simply been let down by unprofessional cricket. If they apply themselves as we would all reasonably expect they are 4-1 up right now and you look a genius. The trouble is for punters is it is quite difficult to legislate for irregular player error if we can call it that. Needless runouts etc.

During both the last two matches India managed to pace their innings very well, but gifted away wickets needlessy with totally unprofessional and sloppy cricket. Australia were doing something not dissimilar in their last home season in ODI's v South Africa and NNew Zealand. The whole thing just gets very frustrating when you make what should be decent bets and the stupoid players refuse to co-operate.
By:
TwoTonTed
When: 05 Nov 09 23:02
if you ask me India are going massively backeards.

Tendles retires, Snooty gone, Dravid on the heap, Sehwag fires sometimes, Gambhir, gawd knows. YS hit or miss, injury problems to bowlers bla bla. Beaten by Oz 2nds all hands up a few times.

Oh Dear.
By:
TwoTonTed
When: 05 Nov 09 23:05
Dohnut last man standing is a shocking omission from my last post however
By:
anyother
When: 05 Nov 09 23:16
DE .. it was a decent prediction but the prob with the big fella is that we all knew it was coming before it came .. as has been pointed out endlessly his canny eye becomes myopic as far as his beloved injuns are concerned .. the top ups recently must be hurting .. holds breathe and awaits the multi-emoticon laden reposté .. ;)
By:
Lies, DamnLies, and Statistics
When: 05 Nov 09 23:21
and deadly, don't forget this thread was started after game 1...joe was tipping 7-0 or 6-1 before the series started...

:0
By:
anyother
When: 05 Nov 09 23:27
;)
By:
anyother
When: 05 Nov 09 23:29
i'm glad they have failed to achieve no 1 status in the ODI rankings even if they win from here (they needed to win 5) .. on the showing so far it would have been undeserved .. :)
By:
Lies, DamnLies, and Statistics
When: 05 Nov 09 23:32
sorry, thread started after game 2...
By:
anyother
When: 05 Nov 09 23:34
and bj's recent ODI stats re india are starting to shred like a worn out prayer flag on top of everest
By:
Lies, DamnLies, and Statistics
When: 05 Nov 09 23:35
you have a flair for a simile anyother...
By:
Narro75
When: 06 Nov 09 02:02
I ask you Big Joe could India have won in Australia with 9-10 players missing from the side?

Could they have been competitive in a 7 match series in Australia with the loss of so many players?

I feel not. And there in the lies the difference. Australia digs deeper.

No Clarke, Ferguson,Haddin, Paine, Hopes, Lee, Bracken, Siddle,Henriques (no major loss).

Australians have done very well regardless on the final series result.
By:
bigjoe
When: 06 Nov 09 13:09
narro .... india beat aussies 2-0 in aussieland when aussies had their strongest side out possible :0 ..... india also won the world 20-20 with what was at that time a second string team while others were fielding strong sides :0

Injuns lost 4-3 to england .. yet 18 months later they beat them 5-0 ?:|

Saffers lose 4-0 to england.. yet thrash aussies away ?:|

Fact is we get these unexpected results in ODI matches... this series is further proof that anything is possible ON ANY GIVEN DAY ... but OVERALL .. india, in both formats of the game, have moved up the rankings faster, and consistently then the rest in last 2 years.

2 years ago they were 5th in tests, and 4th in ODI rankings :0 .... Since they they have not lost a series overseas or at home in 50 over cricket.. and they are currently on the longest unbeaten run in tests of all the nations :)

So i say this... yes they have had a setback.. but overall they remain on course to be the best team in both formatd over the next decade ;)

And dont forget the other blessing in disguise every time to lose a couple of games.. namely, their doubters and the markets continue to offer us 1.7+ on a team that on average, lonly loses one game in 4 in last 33 matches ;)

I will continue to back them at these prices.. they will continue to win at least 75% of their ODI games in next few years..i really aint complaining ..believe me ;)
By:
anyother
When: 06 Nov 09 13:42
like a sad lament ain't it :D
By:
ronsk
When: 06 Nov 09 13:48
Plenty of money around for Injuns to win the current series @ 13/8... Why are you not snapping it all up Joseph?
By:
richieboy44
When: 06 Nov 09 14:49
I'm in balls deep on India series victory here ... I really hope India can keep the series alive on Sunday and that we go to Mumbai for the decider !!! :^0 Mumbai dead rubber would be sooooo disappointing :(
By:
Deadly Earnest
When: 06 Nov 09 15:17
Joe, when in our lifetimes did India beat Australia 2-0 in Australia?

And in what way was the T20 wc winning team second string?
By:
bigjoe
When: 06 Nov 09 15:23
hi deadly... the CB series final was won by Injuns 2-0 :D

As for the 20-20 cup winning team.. if you remember the injuns did not take it seriously at that time, they rested tendulkar, ganguly, dravid, laxman, kumble etc ... and made a promising young wicketkeeper the captain ;)
By:
mafeking
When: 06 Nov 09 15:23
he means the best of 3 final in the benson and hedges series (or whatever it's called these days) in oz the other year.
By:
Lies, DamnLies, and Statistics
When: 06 Nov 09 16:18
aus and india played 6 times in that series - 3-2 to india with 1 no result...but of course joe chooses to focus on the better-sounding 2-0 result of the finals...yawn
By:
Deadly Earnest
When: 06 Nov 09 18:38
That lot wouldn't win a t20 churches comp Joe.

With respect, your 2-0 in oz is just silly, something like us saying Oz are 2-0 up on this trip to India because they have won the last two.
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