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By:
anyother
When: 02 Nov 09 20:36
in all fairness you've posted .. however you have'nt posted why you think it went wrong today .. just that iyo it won't happen again .. any reasons ?:|
By:
TwoTonTed
When: 02 Nov 09 20:53
buckled to the pressure applied by a typical well-drilled Oz outfit who even conceded 3 run-outs themselves :^0
By:
STEPTOES YARD
When: 02 Nov 09 21:15
2-2 so far against the Aussie seconds
By:
Girls aloud lezzer scrum
When: 02 Nov 09 21:45
make that 4 ted
By:
nairda
When: 02 Nov 09 22:07
Deadly , no i am not saying missing players are not a factor....i am saying missing player will become the norm in future cos of wall to wall cricket and teams that can call up decent replacements will be better placed to handle it.

Yes Joe...but India miss 1 player and we never hear the end of it....any way, Australia is showing how many first class ODI players...to keep winning away from home is so hard
By:
TwoTonTed
When: 02 Nov 09 22:10
quite correct phil as the 250+ backers will testify :0
By:
anyother
When: 02 Nov 09 22:32
my spread is 10-12 smileys in the reposte .. ;)
By:
Lies, DamnLies, and Statistics
When: 02 Nov 09 23:31
anyother 03 Nov 07:36
in all fairness you've posted .. however you have'nt posted why you think it went wrong today .. just that iyo it won't happen again .. any reasons ?:|

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of course not - if india were 4-0 up, he'd be saying 7-0.....if india were 4-0 down, he'd be saying 4-3 and on to future world dominance

i can't believe i wasted this much energy commenting on bigjoe and india...
By:
anyother
When: 02 Nov 09 23:38
;) .. keep walking by the open windows
By:
tigertiger
When: 03 Nov 09 06:28
As per BCCI rules that a player must be sent home after every Indian loss, Aus have selected Peter Siddle to play no further part in the series.
By:
Birchola
When: 03 Nov 09 06:30
:^0
By:
Lies, DamnLies, and Statistics
When: 03 Nov 09 07:16
:)

p.s. if it gets really serious, they might have to consider playing jon holland...
By:
JustWinBaby
When: 03 Nov 09 08:26
Playing against the Australian second XI they should have won this series 7-0.

Siddle out now as well for Australia
By:
bigjoe
When: 03 Nov 09 08:36
Blimey glad to see some interest in this fred at last ;)

As for reasons why injuns lost...mixture of complacency...bad running..... one bad umpiring decision... but no gripes about that, that can happen to any team :(

But as usual, i am seeing it as a blessing in disguise :) .. better prices for a while longer as the injun doubters have their batteries and interest recharged ;)

Recent history has shown that the best time to lump on injuns is just after a loss .. they usually give themselves a kick up the proverbial cos they know they are are the best in the world ;)

So, my advice is simple .... if you think they will be complacent at Hydrobad... forget it .... if you think they will not win this series comfortably... forget it ...... if you thinking of backing aussies at hydrobad .. forget it...... injuns will shows whos boss ..i look forward to hearing from you guys after hydrobad.... or not hearing from you as the case maybe ;)

Good Luck :)
By:
offshore
When: 03 Nov 09 08:56
I never cease to be amazed by the sheer self delusion exhibited by the big man. India 1st XI only drawing 2-2 at home with Aussie 2nd XI. Hardly makes them the best ODI team in the world.....
By:
Saints
When: 03 Nov 09 09:00
Siddle gone home injured now..
By:
offshore
When: 03 Nov 09 09:02
Getting close to Aussie 3rd's now.........can the mighty Indians beat such a strong side????!!!!
By:
bigjoe
When: 03 Nov 09 10:26
offshore 03 Nov 08:56


I never cease to be amazed by the sheer self delusion exhibited by the big man. India 1st XI only drawing 2-2 at home with Aussie 2nd XI. Hardly makes them the best ODI team in the world.....


Offshore ... 2 Years ago, In tests Aussies were about 20 points ahead of india in test rankings.. now they are below India :( ... 2 years ago, aussies were on 140 points in ODI rankings, Injuns 108 points.. not its around 130 each of them ..... in the last 2 years, India are the ONLY team that is undefeated in all ODI series , home and away ...and its INDIA that that is on the longest unbeaten run in test matches :0

I suggest all that points to them being the best in the world right now..... anyone that denies that is more delusional or blinkered then i am ;)
By:
anyother
When: 03 Nov 09 10:31
its all about now bj .. not the last two years and right now they are 2-2 against a severely debilitated oz team at home ?:|
By:
offshore
When: 03 Nov 09 10:43
Cheers anyother, you saved me a post there. Have to say that bashing your head against a brick wall is more productive than trying to persuade BJ that drawing 2-2 at home to a second string Aussie side does not really suggest that India are the best ODI team in the world.
By:
anyother
When: 03 Nov 09 10:52
in a way i wish they were 4-0 up and heading towards a whitewash .. would have rightly put them right up the top of the tree and given other teams something to aim at .. instead all thats being proved is that t20 whilst reshaping the game is at the same time .. imo .. dissipating it .. as in the injuries that players now seem willing to carry on playing thru which eventually lead to the scenes we are seeing now .. mammon is king ..
By:
bigjoe
When: 03 Nov 09 11:32
oh ok.. so defenition of best team in world changes every game..... so i take it then that when ausssies lost to bangladesh they were demoted to 9th best team in the wworld for a few days ;)
By:
anyother
When: 03 Nov 09 11:38
not at all .. one game does'nt provide enough data to formulate an opinion .. however 4 games gives you a much better data base .. 7 even more so .. if india win the remaining 3 games then i'll come back to you ;)
By:
bigjoe
When: 03 Nov 09 12:05
ok then if 4 games is good sample..i guess you think most recent 6 ODI games between the 2 is also relevant, especially as those 6 games will include 2 games in australia with aussies fielding their strongest possible lineup :0 .. score of those 6 games currently stands 4-2 to injuns ;)

Or better still, lets increase the sample to the most recent 12 meetings in all formats.. of those 12 games.. aussies have won a grand total of 2 :^0

Like i said, anyone that thinks Injuns not currently the best side in the world is more blinkered then i am ;)
By:
bigjoe
When: 03 Nov 09 12:07
and its even more amazing that its Aussies 3rd X1 that have won those 2 from 12 :^0 .. how bad were the aussie 1st and 2nd X1 that failed to win any of the other 10 meetings :^0
By:
Lies, DamnLies, and Statistics
When: 03 Nov 09 12:19
Have to say that bashing your head against a brick wall is more productive than trying to persuade BJ that drawing 2-2 at home to a second string Aussie side does not really suggest that India are the best ODI team in the world.

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+1
By:
offshore
When: 03 Nov 09 12:21
As observed earlier in this thread, it is astounding that the so-called "best" ODI side in the world failed to reach the last 4 of the recent ICC Champions Trophy, or even make it to the Super 8's of the last World Cup. How is that coffee smelling Joe????
By:
Nirnaeth Arnoediad
When: 03 Nov 09 12:26
India = Dan Marino
By:
bigjoe
When: 03 Nov 09 12:29
off shore.. would you rather reach semis of world tounaments..or be undefeated for 2 years against all comers, home and away in ODI series AND be the hardest test team to beat in the world , home or away ;)

Bit like saying a team that wins the carling and fa cups is better then premiership winners ;)
By:
offshore
When: 03 Nov 09 12:41
Cannot believe you are comparing the Cricket World Cup to the Carling Cup or FA Cup. It's like suggesting that the England football team would rather win a load of friendly matches than the footy World Cup.The CWC is the tournament that all countries want to win. It is far more important to win, or at least perform well at the CWC, than it is to win any number of fairly meaningless one-day series. Please PLEASE at least TRY to smell that coffee!!
By:
Lies, DamnLies, and Statistics
When: 03 Nov 09 12:44
off shore.. would you rather reach semis of world tounaments..or be undefeated for 2 years against all comers, home and away in ODI series AND be the hardest test team to beat in the world , home or away

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not sure about the semis, but i would take winning both those tournaments undefeated.....

(come on, you handed that to me on a PLATTER!! ;) )
By:
offshore
When: 03 Nov 09 12:45
LDLS. Bigjoe's got a big shovel, and nothing you or I could say is gonna stop him digging.....
By:
offshore
When: 03 Nov 09 12:47
:-) :-0 ;-);-)
By:
offshore
When: 03 Nov 09 12:48
Just cannot get the hang of those smileys!! They are the one thing BJ could teach me about!! ;-)
By:
Lies, DamnLies, and Statistics
When: 03 Nov 09 12:50
it's interesting joe, because i am actually starting to listen to and respect your opinion on other teams - you clearly watch a lot of cricket and when you are objective usually provide some good insight

but threads like this and anything you post about india are not worth the time of day....everyone knows you are going to tip india - depending on the circumstances you can provide very good or very flimsy reasons why this is so...that is all these threads are ever going to provide

india may well win this series 5-2......but i think it is time to let this thread die and start looking at game 5 objectively, don't you??
By:
anyother
When: 03 Nov 09 12:52
bj .. you are missing my point completely .. i wanted them to kick on from their recent ODI ( lets use two yrs ) success .. ie .. win the world cup .. i also expected them to be way too strong in all depts for this oz side .. the brutal facts are that they failed in the WC and they are being far from dominant in this current series .. stop looking on everything thats said here as an attack on your beloved indians .. as i said before lets see how they perform in the nxt 3 games eh instead of throwing stats around like a juggler on speed ;)
By:
bigjoe
When: 03 Nov 09 13:37
Anyother, i was a million times more dissapointed then you that india did not do well in the ICC events.... BUT, these latest exchanges have been in response to Offshores assertion that i was mad to think injuns were best team in the world :0

Ok, let's approach this from another angle.. if he disagrees with me that india are not the best.. who does he say is ?:|

Is it Aussies.. who are now 4th in test rankings :( and have slipped in and out of top spot after being miles ahead only 18 months ago in ODI rankings ?

Is it Saffers, who lost 4-0 to england in ODI series as well as losing a test series at home to aussies.. surely if india and england can beat aussies at home, why not saffers ?:| and of course saffers record in world events is worse then Indias :0

Or does he think its Sri Lanka, Pakistan, England , kiwis or windies :(

I have stated why i feel india are brest at present, yes they slipped up yesterday... but their record over last 2 years in all formats is second to none.... and THATS why i sauy they are second to none as far as being top dogs is concerned ;)
By:
Smalltime Punter
When: 03 Nov 09 13:52
Lies, DamnLies, and Statistics 03 Nov 12:50

but threads like this and anything you post about india are not worth the time of day....everyone knows you are going to tip india - depending on the circumstances you can provide very good or very flimsy reasons why this is so...that is all these threads are ever going to provide


Hear hear.

Joe - you have tipped India to win every single game they have played in the last 4 years. That's fine and entirely your prerogative. But please don't try to use stats to justify doing so as they are completely irrelevant to your decision. You back India because they are your team and you rate them, not because of form or results.

At the moment you keep citing the last 10 or 12 matches in all forms of the game because that analysis favours India. But if it didn't, you wouldn't mention it, and I've never heard you use that yardstick in any other pre-series analysis. Australia won their last ODI series in India, so you ignore that. But if India had won it, you would be hammering it home in every post.

Using stats and form is one way of assessing value, but it isn't yours - you rely on your judgement and gut feel, and that does you pretty well. Trying to justify those instincts with randomly selected stats (half of which you get wrong) is pointless and in my opinion undermines your standing.

What if, for example, India had Australia's record in ODIs over the last three years and Australia had India's? Would you still be claiming that a superior record in bi-lateral series was worth more than two Champions Trophies and one World Cup? Of course you wouldn't, so to claim it in India's favour now is meaningless.

You rate India. We get it. But please spare us the cherry-picking of data to support it.
By:
offshore
When: 03 Nov 09 13:54
BJ, there are several intenational teams that are much of a muchness in ODI's. Aussies, at full strength, on the evidence of the past few months, would seem to be the best. Saffers are very good, but inconsistent and still prone to "bottling". The Lankans also have their moments, especially in the sub-continent. Pakistan can be the best or the worst on any given day, as has forever been the case. India would be in a bunch of closely grouped sides BEHIND the Aussies, who thrashed England in England, and then went unbeaten in the ICC Champions Trophy. As has been REPEATEDLY pointed out to you in this thread, a second string Aussie side has matched India IN India during this present series.
Hope all that helps......(please let it help, PLEASE let it help!!)
By:
bigjoe
When: 03 Nov 09 14:14
Ok that helps Offshore :)

SP ...yes i plead guilty to backing injuns every game, assuming they are over 1.5 ;)

The reason is simple ..as i said 3 years ago, from a betting point of view they , along with sri lanka and pakistan were underrated by the markets and suggested a simple strategy of backing them blind to prove it.. and i started a thread covering each of their games against non asian sides... as you know that fred proved CONCLUSILVLY, after 120 bets with a ROI of around 30% after commision in all formats :0

India still remain underrated by the markets... they have won around 70% of their ODI games in last 2 years.... yet their pre match prices have averaged 1.7+

When they start being Aussie like prices ( 1.3 prematch) i will stop backing them.... till then, i still expect them to win at least 70% of their ODIs and as long as i keep making the rupees backing thenm at 1.7+ i will be happy.

I take on board your point about selective stats :( ... but i am soooooo desperate for others to get in on the injun goldmine that i resort to that to convince others that there are rupees to be made by backing india blindly these days.... :D
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