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£124billion - an International Space Station.

£118billion - an Apollo programme with 6 human explorations of the Lunar surface.

£106billion (at time of writing) - a new train.
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Report casemoney • February 11, 2020 12:03 AM GMT
Its all about the Birmingham Experience a few Minutes quicker . A straight through train would be favourable Imvho.
Report UBLE/REGY • February 11, 2020 1:18 AM GMT
For that sort of money I would expect the train to move at several thousand of miles an hour!
Report mecca • February 11, 2020 2:00 AM GMT
106 billion?

If they just didn't do anything ..... and shared it out amongst the population of the UK. We'd all get nearly £1,700 .

That's for every man, woman and child (if my maths are right)
Report thegiggilo • February 11, 2020 2:18 AM GMT
Wouldn't bank on it only being 106 billion either..
Report Johnny_Mustang • February 11, 2020 8:02 AM GMT
They could cut those costs by 50% with the stroke of a pen.

Everybody knows that London is the greatest city on earth and the desire to get there quickly is patently obvious. But is it really necessary to get to the Midlands/Northern shanty towns in such a hurry? It's not as if there's anything to do there. Apart from being unemployed of course. So just make the southerly route into the Capital superfast and the northbound one slow-as-you-like.
Report Dr Crippen • February 11, 2020 10:47 AM GMT
It's more to do with capacity than speed.
The new line will reduce the number of express trains n the other routes, and make way for more stopping trains along the way.

This is the problem with immigration, suddenly we need more capacity for everything.
And just one of the financial costs of the ridiculous high levels of immigration we've had to this country.
Report Angoose • February 11, 2020 10:52 AM GMT
HS2 is as much about increasing capacity as it is about reducing travelling times
Decades of under investment have brought us to a situation where 21st century travel needs are being served by 19th century infrastructure.

Thus, the concern shouldn’t be the cost of HS2, it should be when does planning for HS3 and HS4 begin.
Report Angoose • February 11, 2020 10:53 AM GMT
This is the age of the train Grin
Report casemoney • February 11, 2020 11:39 AM GMT
""Everybody knows that London is the greatest city on earth""

LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report Angoose • February 11, 2020 11:45 AM GMT
It’s not even the greatest city in London Sad
Report Johnny_Mustang • February 11, 2020 12:02 PM GMT
Seriously, why would anybody be in a hurry to get to Leeds, Birmingham, Manchester etc.? Rather like turkeys voting for Christmas.
Report Angoose • February 11, 2020 12:03 PM GMT
The tracks will run in two directions.
Report Jack Hacksaw • February 11, 2020 12:48 PM GMT
Main problem is that it has taken us so long to do it.

The longer it was left the greater the cost as it had to be built around the ever increasing, existing stuff.

We are living off the labours of the victorians and successive generations in terms of infrastructure.  Railway lines, water mains, sewers, roads etc.

All governments have failed to invest themselves and/or hoped that privatisation would solve all the problems.
Report sageform • February 11, 2020 1:31 PM GMT
Building it will be relatively cheap. Running it and maintaining it will cost far more over the following 20 years. I would expect at least 70% of the fare to come from the taxpayer and even then it will lose money. Only last week, an Italian company foolish enough to buy a rail franchise is handing it back as they have lost £20 million in a year. Rail is becoming almost as big a money pit as the NHS.
Report Injera • February 11, 2020 3:01 PM GMT
18 trains to and from Manchester PER HOUR. Shocked
Report sageform • February 11, 2020 3:18 PM GMT
How many seats per train? How many people will wish to travel in 20 years time?
Report Angoose • February 11, 2020 4:31 PM GMT
Do people travel less today than they did twenty years ago?
Report Injera • February 11, 2020 4:49 PM GMT
HS2 will see house prices surge up north.  I don’t wish this on them. Carnage down south.
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