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I would score it a 9/10 job as well RLKP but it is not a film I would care to watch again personally, far too upsetting.
Im watching, so far it seems like a political broadcast.
My partner has just sent me this message" I'm watching it hun. It will make me cry again!! x x x"
No MD, you should watch all films that score above 6.
It may get better and change direction.
It may get better and change direction.
It is the worst kind of absolute drivel. God awful, depressing crap.
It's like a cross between Eastenders and a party political broadcast from Labour. BBC's idea of a great film for the festive season no doubt. It's absolutely dire.
Rotten Tomatoes giving this crap the same score as The Shawshank Redemption reflects quite badly on RT's scoring system I would suggest!
Or maybe you're just not much of a judge.
This two bob peasant Torquemada scores this film 0% Rotten Tomatoes gave it 92%, I gave it 90%
"Two bob peasant"
Classy. Especially coming from someone who claims to be a multimillionaire every other post!
Film's still crap BTW.
Classy. Especially coming from someone who claims to be a multimillionaire every other post!
Film's still crap BTW.
I bought this last week off ebay . Not watched it yet though .
Not worth a tanner , is one currency insult used around , my neck of the woods .
My apologies Torqhemada, that was a bit uncouth of me! I just found this film to be compelling but you need to have compassion to actually "get it". You scoring it 0% obviously rattled my cage somewhat!
You're a gentleman and a scholar Slippy. Sorry for having a pop. 
HAPPY NEW YEAR , and all the best to you , Torquemada . PEACE and LOVE .
Thank you very much Culvin. And the same to you Sir!
It`s a very good film. I once knew a guy like Daniel Blake. Hard working, proud man who ended up out of work through no fault of his own during the Thatcher era and couldn`t get a another job because of his age and ill health. He hated going to sign on.
Threw himself in front of a train.
Very good film and sad reflection on today`s society.
Threw himself in front of a train.
Very good film and sad reflection on today`s society.
That's desperately sad themightymac 
What stuck in my mind was that the civil servants for DWP expected him to be completely computer savvy when he could only just about know how to send a text message on his phone, so heartbreaking.
What stuck in my mind was that the civil servants for DWP expected him to be completely computer savvy when he could only just about know how to send a text message on his phone, so heartbreaking.
I'll be intersted to know what you thought of it Makybe_Diva.
Hi Slippy, I’ll report back when I’ve watched it.
Brilliant acting.
Brilliant acting.
My posts only seem to be showing in ‘live view’. I hope the forum isn’t going to start this nonsense again.
Aww, his nice neighbour is helping him print his form off.
Are the people who work in the benefits office really this rude?
The government were quoted as saying that this was fictional and not how it actually is. Some said it was the pressure put on the staff. Both statements are wrong!
I worked with the unemployed for a while and can give many examples of how those that worked in the industry let the power go to their heads, sanctioning for the slightest misdemeanour and making life difficult for those who were desperate to find work. I would guess that 80% of those that attended the work program wanted to work. Yes, there's a hardcore that don't and will avoid it at all costs but the majority do.
One example that still grates me to this day (I can give many more) was when a meeting were held for certain individuals to attend. A young lad, scruffy, probably had the odd toke or two, but still wanted something to get the ball rolling. He arrived around 10 minutes late, apologised, but was immediately reprimanded by a member of staff in front of everyone else around, including many who were not at the meeting but still had to attend the centre. Not a nice experience for him at all, but in a sense she was right; if this was a job interview he would have already failed, but there is a way of doing things and sounding him out in front of many was not the way, imo.
Lo and behold, a smart middle-aged gentleman arrived 5 minutes later and also apologised. The same member of staff said "Oh that's quite alright" and directed him to the room... boy did this make my blood boil.
I would say that 'at least' half the staff were the same, probably more. Give people power over others and they think they're god!
I worked with the unemployed for a while and can give many examples of how those that worked in the industry let the power go to their heads, sanctioning for the slightest misdemeanour and making life difficult for those who were desperate to find work. I would guess that 80% of those that attended the work program wanted to work. Yes, there's a hardcore that don't and will avoid it at all costs but the majority do.
One example that still grates me to this day (I can give many more) was when a meeting were held for certain individuals to attend. A young lad, scruffy, probably had the odd toke or two, but still wanted something to get the ball rolling. He arrived around 10 minutes late, apologised, but was immediately reprimanded by a member of staff in front of everyone else around, including many who were not at the meeting but still had to attend the centre. Not a nice experience for him at all, but in a sense she was right; if this was a job interview he would have already failed, but there is a way of doing things and sounding him out in front of many was not the way, imo.
Lo and behold, a smart middle-aged gentleman arrived 5 minutes later and also apologised. The same member of staff said "Oh that's quite alright" and directed him to the room... boy did this make my blood boil.
I would say that 'at least' half the staff were the same, probably more. Give people power over others and they think they're god!
Some of them are ...also one or two like to try and bully you
I’m in tears now. Poor girl was so hungry she opened a tin of beans in the food bank 
This is heartbreaking. It’s given me a horrible headache.
Compassion ffs ,calling someone a two bob peasant in the context of reviewing this film suggests otherwise ,you find all these animal rights types don’t really know the true meaning of the word “compassion “ they mix up animals and humans ,very confused bunch . Found the FIlm a bit too political ,detracted from the subject matter ,labour always love making cheap propaganda out of the benifit system when not in power but when in power they sing another tune .
The film is made by ken loach who is a leftie luvvie who therefore cannot be believed , ok things are falling apart a bit but blame people like loach
thanks
thanks
Just watched it and I thought it was very good....The Mother opening the tin of beans in the food bank looked ridiculous and I didn't buy it...I claimed Jobseekers allowance for 2 months about twenty years ago and the people I was dealing with were the most arrogant bunch of t0ssers I have ever know...Believe me this Film is not to the truth.
Signing on and working in the industry is two different things acey. Believe it or not, most of those t0ssers you speak about do want to work and are given a hard time by staff and the system; it's no wonder they act like they do. I was #1 in the region and #3 in the country for getting people into work. Treat people right and they respond.
close the food banks down tomorrow would be a good start
I have to say aspro they were not all t0ssers but I did deal with a couple of little hitlers.
Think he meant the staff were ****s , country’s gone to pot
Btw, the #1 and #3 I quoted was just for the company I worked for, not the industry as a whole. Companies subbed from the government on the work program.
I was on about the staff Aspro maybe we got our wires crossed.
As I said earlier, give people power over others and it goes to their heads
In Britain we have the most generous benefit system in the world , that’s a little fact that isn’t in the film
I found that new inexperienced young workers were amongst the worst. A 21 year old with a portfolio of around 200 clients that THEY control
If they have to come into the job centre that at least produces a connection , reprehensible to ignore the poor
usual suspects in here not giving a **** about the (white) working class, unless they can blame immigrants or muslims
The thought that there might be poverty in Britain has never for a single moment troubled me , or made me unhappy
The worst part of benefits, although still essential, is the housing benefit; it doesn't help incentivise the unemployed
Foolish government policy gives that to the tenants instead of the landlord , and then they squander it
Jan 6, 2019 -- 10:18AM, lfc1971 wrote:
In Britain we have the most generous benefit system in the world , that’s a little fact that isn’t in the film
lfc making things up again
I also thought the bedroom tax was harsh. When introduced many tried, but failed, to get a swap but were still penalised. IMO they should have not been charged unless suitable alternative accommodation was refused.
agreed bedroom tax is a scandal , doesn’t tackle the real problems and causes misery to people
Jan 6, 2019 -- 9:08AM, SlippyBlue wrote:
I'll be intersted to know what you thought of it Makybe_Diva.
I thought it was very good, Slippy. It was absolutely heartbreaking and I wished I hadn’t watched it.
I've just finished watching it. Great acting but scripted as left wing propaganda from Loach.
Jan 6, 2019 -- 10:53AM, akabula wrote:
I've just finished watching it. Great acting but scripted as left wing propaganda from Loach.
I'm exactly the same M_D, it upset me and my partner immensely
Sorry got the wrong quote there, that was in reply to M_D's post!
So Aka, Loach portraying the truth is left wing propaganda and people showing compassion to "real" people in life like Blake are left wingers too?
Compassion to one`s fellow man has no political barriers, as shown by many posters on here who are certainly not left wing. You either have it or not.
For every work shy layabout scrounger on the broo, there are 9 Daniel Blakes.
Real life in poor communities is far worse than depicted in that film.
Compassion to one`s fellow man has no political barriers, as shown by many posters on here who are certainly not left wing. You either have it or not.
For every work shy layabout scrounger on the broo, there are 9 Daniel Blakes.
Real life in poor communities is far worse than depicted in that film.
the hidden irony is the little hitlers,power mad interviewers, clerks etc within the system working for little more than minimum wage basically carrying out the governments austerity drive and thinking they've made it to the BIGTIME, not knowing some of their workmates will be using foodbanbks, unable to afford their own house,rents etc
Here’s a little tip, if you are compassionate , care about the poor , the working classes those left behind , whoever ,
Dont vote for millions more to come into Britain , or save your tears , thanks
Dont vote for millions more to come into Britain , or save your tears , thanks
So Aka, Loach portraying the truth is left wing propaganda and people showing compassion to "real" people in life like Blake are left wingers too?
I think you made most of that up Mac. heres what I said.
I've just finished watching it. Great acting but scripted as left wing propaganda from Loach.
That's called an opinion on the film. I made no comment on the unfairness of the system as portrayed by him. You say the truth but it's only the truth as Ken Loach sees it and I think he overdid it.
As you'll see I made no reference to other people showing compassion as being left wing.
I think you made most of that up Mac. heres what I said.
I've just finished watching it. Great acting but scripted as left wing propaganda from Loach.
That's called an opinion on the film. I made no comment on the unfairness of the system as portrayed by him. You say the truth but it's only the truth as Ken Loach sees it and I think he overdid it.
As you'll see I made no reference to other people showing compassion as being left wing.
on the day amber rudd cancels the vote on the next roll out of un credit,says ken loach has a better idea than akabula,
under uni credit I do believe that the online universal job page has been scraped and you now need to fill a book in, get employers signatures,proof of applications etc
under uni credit I do believe that the online universal job page has been scraped and you now need to fill a book in, get employers signatures,proof of applications etc
I've no doubt he does !stTP but in this film I think he overplayed his hand.
I was with the film up until the foodbank scene and the events with the spray painting finished it for me.
I was with the film up until the foodbank scene and the events with the spray painting finished it for me.
I'm midway through watching it again; I was p!ssed last time I watched it and quite incredible how one forgets. So far 55/135 minutes and it isn't far short of what I experienced, if anything he could have pushed the barriers a little more. The hour and 48 minutes(?) he was waiting on the phone was probably exaggerated a little. Yes, sometimes it did take an age but usually 10-15 minutes and I/we got through. Ann, the lady in the jobcentre who tried to help Daniel is rare; usually help was only provided by the programs they were put on, where time was put aside to help individuals. I often found myself helping someone with little or no computer experience, however; I had to book them in when we were quiet (late afternoons) if they wanted one-to-one help because most of the rest of the day I was doing their monthly reviews (I'm sure a few on here can relate to them). With client portfolios around 100-200 people, time was a precious commodity from 9am to 3pm. Sanctions were rife and some unfounded and should never have been given, but still were... again instigated from those same megalomaniacs.
As for the foodbank I often gave vouchers out for them but have never visited one so can't comment on that scene, sad though it is.
As for the foodbank I often gave vouchers out for them but have never visited one so can't comment on that scene, sad though it is.
if your trying to sign on purely to keep your stamp payments up and not receiving any benefits cash wise, seems obvious to me such people arnt shirkers and will be doing their best to find their way back in to work, or maybe in their 60,s and need one more qualifying year for NI etc,so why should they have to go through the same process, evidence of looking for work,signing on ,job clubs,meetings with job coach etc,just to get your stamp paid, seems ridiculous to me to clogg up the system with these people all part of the dehumanising structure of the system,certainly not a nice system to be plunged in to
total lack of empathy with those empowered to help people
After watching this again, with a clear head, I have to disagree with you aka. I've seen people join the program with a wide smile on their face and in no time at all they change and never for the better, for reasons that this film portrays; I think Loach was quite lenient in his approach. I've seen mothers sanctioned because their child is off school, ill, and they couldn't attend. God knows how many times I have spent hours trying to get it back for them but until they are with me, or until their child is better, I could not do anything... this could be days, even a week with no money. At one point we were even told to sanction non-attending mothers during school holidays (no kids allowed in the centre), but thankfully this was overturned and they were no longer expected to attend during these periods.
Some staff don't give a... some do. Too many Sheila's, not enough Anna's.
For me this wasn't propaganda; it was Loach's view of the system and I have to say again, he could have gone a lot deeper, because the truth does go a lot deeper when you're on the inside. A jobcentre plus advisor does need to see a CV, typed and electronic. Without it they are sanctioned. Proof has to be provided of 35 hours job searching, if not its a sanction and if you can't use a computer, then, without help, you're basically fooked. I've had phone calls saying they can't do it anymore and they just sign off; it isn't worth the hassle... crime, their only other outlet.
This is down south, where jobs are easier to come by with a big city always turning over new staff. God knows what it is like in other areas; I shudder to think. I could go on, but suffice to say, the truth is harsher than this film.
Some staff don't give a... some do. Too many Sheila's, not enough Anna's.
For me this wasn't propaganda; it was Loach's view of the system and I have to say again, he could have gone a lot deeper, because the truth does go a lot deeper when you're on the inside. A jobcentre plus advisor does need to see a CV, typed and electronic. Without it they are sanctioned. Proof has to be provided of 35 hours job searching, if not its a sanction and if you can't use a computer, then, without help, you're basically fooked. I've had phone calls saying they can't do it anymore and they just sign off; it isn't worth the hassle... crime, their only other outlet.
This is down south, where jobs are easier to come by with a big city always turning over new staff. God knows what it is like in other areas; I shudder to think. I could go on, but suffice to say, the truth is harsher than this film.
Didn't realise it was a comedy, best laugh I've had in a while !
Went up the West end last night, had a meal with the missus in the Spaghetti house. Fxxking £101 and it was total sh1t. Whoops sorry wrong thread 
Had one just before xmas. 60 odd £ and it was total sh1t.
More like 2 x Fish Suppers and a bottle of Vimto at the local chippie
I ain't watched it and unlikely to do so.Too busy making my pile. Can't look back.
but I know LOACH is a good 'un. On the 'people's' side as it were.
one of yer big problems is even people like loach don't understand the 10 million advance of our population numbers
it is sad ps don't forget we are just numbers - ants - in the hill - competing for scraps
most people are only months away from being on the street if they lose their wage/salary - people don't count
but I know LOACH is a good 'un. On the 'people's' side as it were.
one of yer big problems is even people like loach don't understand the 10 million advance of our population numbers
it is sad ps don't forget we are just numbers - ants - in the hill - competing for scraps
most people are only months away from being on the street if they lose their wage/salary - people don't count
Went up the West end last night, had a meal with the missus in the Spaghetti house. Fxxking £101 and it was total sh1t. Whoops sorry wrong thread
Wonder if Ken Loach would do a film on my hardships ?
Wonder if Ken Loach would do a film on my hardships ?
so thats 1 2 to barca - more gold in the pot thank you
Fxxking capitalist
Fxxking capitalist
He'd get the place shut down. I was trying to find the Rosso Pomodoro but couldn't remember the name fully.
stop cowering in the forests of the south and come back and take the heathens on you coward!!!
lots of trenches and tin helmets for you here
and a garage full of bully beef for the siege!! ho ho
lots of trenches and tin helmets for you here
and a garage full of bully beef for the siege!! ho ho
always knew you lot were unreliable !!!
I always enjoy a trip to town but then you don't know what I get up to
The Way Out in the Minories as a clue
I always enjoy a trip to town but then you don't know what I get up to
The Way Out in the Minories as a clue
Sounds like the film is basically Bambi set in a benefits office, with the audience duly leaving in tears.
Do the salt-of-the-earth saints in this melodrama have any flaws at all? Don't they ever get tempted to do a bit of cash-in-hand casual work? Do they complain about the Poles up the road, who are sleeping four-to-a-room and undercutting them on the jobs market? Just a bit of dramatic tension or complexity of character?
Happy to be put right. Just going on what I've read on this thread.
Do the salt-of-the-earth saints in this melodrama have any flaws at all? Don't they ever get tempted to do a bit of cash-in-hand casual work? Do they complain about the Poles up the road, who are sleeping four-to-a-room and undercutting them on the jobs market? Just a bit of dramatic tension or complexity of character?
Happy to be put right. Just going on what I've read on this thread.
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