Gatwick chaos

Steve Barry looks like he'd rather be in Portugal investigating the McCann mystery

The law, emergency services, chief execs, mps, the government, cannot all clobber together and work out how to stop a drone, chit chat is where it's at imo.

Dec 21, 2018 -- 7:33PM, xmoneyx wrote:

police donnae have a clue Sky News‏Assistant chief constable Steve Barry says the penalty for flying drones over Gatwick could be life imprisonment.

Any type of prison sentence is a joke imo

Rapists out there getting 6 months ffs, and some prankster could get life for flying a drone within a mile of Gatwick

steve barry  drew the short straw

Lets wait and see where this drone came from. Could be Russia, China, Greenpeace, Juncker or a couple of teenagers. Either way they should be severely punished. It will cost the taxpayers millions of pounds a year to develop a way to stop it happening again. I still think that there has been a total over reaction though. Now every trouble maker on the planet knows how to close an airport for £100. The only solution is to ban the sale of ALL drones until they develop a foolproof way to bring them down.

amazon starting drone deliveries 2019

i've already ordered mine. It's going to hover above Leadsoms abode and take pics of any Magic Mike cast seen leaving carrying a pair of glasses and yellow belly warmers

Can you train a drone to hover over Sharapova's back garden and film her doing some nude sunbathing?

i think her shouting-screaming-grunting отвали; (or variations of) would scare any drone off, Alun

Officers are now working on the assumption that there were multiple drones and multiple operators.

aha multiple drones but still no pictures!

i.e. they don't have a clue

I have somehow managed to stay silent on the subject all day , prefering to reflect on the 'facts' , although these appear few and far between .
Conclusion : After the best part of 36 hours they still have no idea who is responsible yet , within the first couple of hours of 'reports of a drone sighting' , the authorities made a statement claiming "We have ruled out terrorism" . Therefore the likelihood is that there is a terrorist connection .
So , was there a serious terrorist threat to Gatwick airport that required a cover story in order for the threat not to be made public ? If so , why ? We've had terror alerts over the last few years with little or no attempt to paint them as anything else . Why would this be any different ?

ps. Thanks for the Dennis pic , Baphornet

you're very welcome, Reynard

i must admit to being slightly flummoxed as to the reason for the Gatwick Boondoggle. It even passed my mind that a rogue UFO was perhaps peed off at Bransons Virgin Galactic foray

As conspiracy theories go this one is not beyond the realms of possibility :-

The UK voted by narrow majority to leave the EU a result according to some , although without foundation or evidence , which was due to a rise in anti-immigration feeling by many british citizens , even going as far as accusing Brexiteers as having xenophobic and racist tendencies . With every terrorist attack in recent years , both successful and foiled , concerns have grown regarding our open borders policy and now , as we approach the conclusion of Brexit negotiations , deals , no deals and the possibility of a 'peoples vote' any reports of further terror threats would be seen as adding fuel to the leavers fire thus potentially affecting voting patterns in a second referendum , should there be one . The cabinet and those driving the negotiations are , generally speaking , remainers and any raising of the terror threat above amber could possibly thwart their ambitions of the UK not leaving the EU in March . So , in the event of a serious terror alert at Londons second largest airport , it would make perfect sense to concoct some sort of cover story in order to deflect the publics natural concerns away from what could be yet another nail in the remainers coffin .
Ok , so as wild theories go , this may well be up there with the best and most bizarre of them , but nothing about this prolonged disruption makes any sense . Particularly the speed with which they told us that it was not terror related , and yet didn't have the foggiest who or what was behind it . Why rule something out so quickly , before they'd even had an hour to assess the situation properly ?

yes, plausible in our world, Reynard. Unfortunately the world we live in is ruled by 13 families; and mine (don't know about yours) isn't one of them. All in power are puppets and some of them even have rigid strings. We  will talk it about it some more my friend in our chit chat world; but for now i need to pour myself a large brandy and chill. Goodnight - sir

"we've got it covered, Bruce"

"Too late; i'm already here"

2 people arrested

1/10 chance they are environmental activists. I doubt if in their wildest dreams they thought they could stop all flights for 36 hours that easily.

Couldn't find them when they were flying the damn thing, but out of nowhere its "people arrested" in the media, small story on it and off they pop to the government shut down in America

I'm sorry but the whole thing was a sham

^ still as confused as ever , any comments from our chit chat ‘ I do the research expert ‘ John Henry .....

Grayling getting a good kicking in the press again. Which beggars the question - how is this numbskull still in work?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/grayling-put-drone-law-on-hold-before-gatwick-flight-chaos-9tkqck0tg

he looked and sounded quite useless when I saw him being interviewed on Sky, said you can't shoot the drone down due to health and safety reasons more or less.

I hope to God that the version of events described on the DM website is ALOOS, otherwise we really are going to be the laughing stock of the world....

lfc1971
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^ still as confused as ever , any comments from our chit chat ‘ I do the research expert ‘ John Henry .....



The more research you carry out yourself for yourself presents you with the ability to sniff out the bullshyte. That is all this really is.

It also helps you to identify a complete c**t which in some cases ( ie ) ifc1971 It doesn't necessarily take much working out.

The biggest clue they give you is the amount of posts they put up and on how many varied subjects they offer them in. Summed up simply as A surefire C**t of all threads, master of none.

Enjoy the rest of your day !

there we go

https://content.invisioncic.com/Mvillatalk/monthly_2018_12/image.png.efc094c...

This is how it's done :-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm6a3QXG_qI

released without charge - what a surprise

5 mins for plod to bang you up and 36 hrs to get released even though witness,s have vouched for them been 20 miles away watching the drones on tv sat next to them, supping cups of tea, should lock the cooont up who named them

Investigations will continue and if this couple are innocent we may see more drones
it’s possible

Poor couple, faces plastered all over the press, which is wrong to begin with. British police are not fit for purpose.

media camped outside their house as well, ridiculous, should be a law against it until proven guilty

media camped outside their house as well, ridiculous, should be a law against it until proven guilty

It's called 'Freedom of the Press' , it's all about public interest .

The drone reports did stop while this couple were in custody. Doesn't mean there were any drones; just that the reports stopped. Strange scenes indeed

Thus couple have merely done their duty , all drone users should do the same

it's called harrassing innocent people when they have not been proved to be guilty.

If someone accused you of murder, when you were no where near the scene, you would be comfortable with the world press camped outside your family home poking cameras through your windows and harrassing family members

LFC would make them green tea

LFC would make them green tea

its not in the public interest to show the two faces of people who were currently innocecnt, the public may have been interested to see who they were, but it was not in their interest as they didn't need to know who the 'suspects' were.

It’s not the end of the world now is it , they have done their duty as citizens
All drone users should do the same

I was interested to see their faces ( they looked guilty to me but that doesn’t matter the courts decide that in Britain

people should only be arrested on evidence not fishing trips because someone maybe with a grudge puts your name in the frame, 24 hrs ago a woman known to the man sat in the custody suite and told police she was sat with the man 20 miles away supping tea watching the drone coverage on tv, what evidence did the police or person who shopped them provide to counter act her evidence ,that meant they wernt released for a further 24 hrs,
as opposed to terrorists on watch lists dropped by police,security services because basically they get bored of watching them

If I am arrested again on suspicion of murder then I would be more than happy to have the press camped outside . The more the merrier . It is their constitutional right .

"damaged drone" now found close to the airport. That was convenient; and quick

well thats ok then, Reynard is happy to be abused so everyone else must be

I didn't say they were entitled to abuse me or anyone . But they are not breaking any laws .

ah good a drone has been found , that’s good evidence

Of couse they're not breaking laws otherwise they wouldn't be there, their names should not have been made public for them to be there in the first place, they should have been protected til Police charged them, which they didn't.

There are lots of things you can do that are not illegal, but morally reprehensible.

same person who put them in the frame probably made a few quid giving their name to the press, woman who give the bloke his alibi said she had a good idea who it was and why

the British are like that, don’t trust anyone

lfc : 'I was interested to see their faces ( they looked guilty to me)'

Please God don't let this man on a jury..

Just seen them on the news being shuffled out of a police fan, haveing to cover their faces, with the press trying to flash cameras in their faces, what a disgrace

scandanavian_haven • December 23, 2018 1:14 PM GMT
Of couse they're not breaking laws otherwise they wouldn't be there, their names should not have been made public for them to be there in the first place, they should have been protected til Police charged them, which they didn't.

The whole thing had gotten out of control so the police were forced to arrest someone , anyone , and make their arrest as public as possible so as to divert attention away from what was a huge disaster . They have now been released (worth the compo) , but the attention has now been diverted away from the 'drone' nonsense so job done !

SH - it's shameful. Mud sticks. They're a local couple and could face all sort of backlash for this.

i've seen coverage with their faces blocked out, scandanavian_haven. A bit late i would suggest

Detective Cheif Superintendent Jason Tingley of Sussex police said when asked should their names have been made public after coming home to find their names anf faces in the media he said "we never give out the names and their names being made public hindered their investigation"

that's the British media, never mind justice and respect for the police's investigation - they just wanted clicks on their website pages and papers bought, that's all they care about nothing else, money, money, money.

They possibly agreed to this in return for some sort of financial gain . The Gatwick shut down cover up story had become so ridiculous they needed to divert attention at any cost .
If I had mortgage arrears and someone offered me a few days of invasive publicity in return for a mortgage free house (plus new car , maybe) then I think I'd snap their hands off

Tingley is a mug for saying that. We all know they can impose reporting restrictions when it suits.

They could have had their faces covered from the outset , but that would defeat the object . They know that the media love a face and the cameras and reporters would be switched from Gatwick to Crawley and the focus would be taken away from the real story .

such a fuss , why should there be any problems for this couple but that the police have said there is nothing to answer
Now it is important that they were interviewed and ruled out of the investigation

Found the drone

Always amazes me how easily and quickly they find the culprits and weapons of choice

But can't seem to find the culprits that rob a supermarket etc

no drones over Gatwick today , so far
The net is closing in

They've found the drone cos the original diversion story (the  arrested couple) , had got out of hand , so now they needed another diversion story to divert the media attention away from the previous diversion story .
They're totally oblivious to the fact that they are a complete laughing stock and an embarrassment to their professions .

either they have found a drone or they haven’t , which is it

It’s good progress

fc1971 • December 23, 2018 1:32 PM GMT
such a fuss , why should there be any problems for this couple but that the police have said there is nothing to answer
Now it is important that they were interviewed and ruled out of the investigation

What investigation ? What 'crime' are we discussing here ?

User lfc1971 • December 23, 2018 1:38 PM GMT
either they have found a drone or they haven’t , which is it

What drone ?

lfc1971 • December 23, 2018 1:38 PM GMT
It’s good progress

Are you serious ?

^ can’t make any sense of that

Nor could I , hence why I copied and pasted it

you’re confused again aren’t you Reynard , good

After doing nothing they had to be seen to be doing something and go on a fishing expedition (or were triggered by a person who does not like someone into model aircraft etc - and flew over the estate) - so were fitted up.  Have our marvelous police force ever done anything like this before.
BEWARE EVER BEING INNOCENT - they will get you if you don't fit in the right box.

Absolute farce.

I see that Birmingham Airport had a system failure problem yesterday and that caused a temporary shutdown !!!

Coincidence ? ? ?

The airport authorities are the chief culprits for this farce. The police were called in too late while the Government ignored the whole thing for 24 hours. There are so many conflicting stories. One day there was a drone circling the airport control tower, next day "we are not sure there ever was a drone". someone is lying and we need to know who. Was the whole story dreamed up by eco warriors on the staff of the airport to cause disruption when there was never any threat? As for the guy who was arrested, if the police had made one phone call to his employer, his perfect alibi would have been known in 10 minutes and verified in 20.

Sadly this whole debacle looks like a massive cover up and the best place to start looking for the perpetrators is within the confines of the Gatwick Airport management team.

As i stated previously it looks to me as if this whole fiasco was set up to divert and deflect  the blame away from the real issue which has been suppressed ATM !!!

This is a PR exercise which has gone horridly wrong.

Maybe lfc1971 has all the answers, I dont know . Lets see ???

Shall i pull up one or two of his posts here ? Or shall i simply let it go ? I dont know. Lets see

Diversion so the mp's could escape for xmas hols without anyone noticing, have not heard the word brexit on the tv in last 5 days.

Dec 24, 2018 -- 9:07AM, houseofpain wrote:

Diversion so the mp's could escape for xmas hols without anyone noticing, have not heard the word brexit on the tv in last 5 days.

Bingo!!

Strange how May was getting battered along with her party and then this happens and she's vanished from all news headlines

The media are filth and people need to get it in their heads they need to be shut down, not "defunded" but shut down permanently

Not fit for purpose

Its taken another 2 weeks off the "brexit countdown"

Absolute scum

I'm sorry but a drone (a ghost one at that) doesn't bring an airport to its knees

They had Birmingham at it yesterday as well, just to take the attention away from Gatwick

Hopefully one day people finally wake up ffs

John W Henry has given me my first

* today

damn forum

how come this innocent couple get their pics plastered all over the place WHEN arrested???  Yet, in Manchester, two MEN apparently caught for rape of a woman are not??  Declared as an isolated case.  Why would the polis say that?  What does it imply.    Strange isn't it.

Panaroma doc yesterday about this incident and associated news story
.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47919680

Although there were >100 reported sightings according to the airport there are still no verifiable photos or video and no evidence of any electronic detection.  Not even any witnesses presented.

Airport insistent there was a rogue drone and Sussex plod thinking it may well have been an inside job.  Given that the police had their own drones up to investigate a rogue drone isn't it likely that many sightings could be of the police drones ?

I'm no expert but would a little plastic drone really hurt a plane if they hit it?

"Out of 115 eye witnesses who reported drone sightings all but six of them were professionals" - Chris Woodroofe , Gatwick's chief operating officer .

Therefore 109 eye witnesses work for either the government (police officers) or Gatwick (members of 'my' team) . Hardly a qualification as independant witnesses bearing in mind they are the very individuals who would have been required to have been an intrinsic part of any cover up .

i see they won't release 'footage' of the incidents because the quality is so bad

Absolutely ! The truth regarding this whole episode can be found further up this thread . I still stand by my original observations and I'm sure many others who held a similar view at the time still stand by theirs .

blaming an "inside job" now

One thing is for sure...some1 somewhere has made a right pretty penny on the rush job at Gatwick and Heathrow to I shall the military grade anti drone systems ...the cost of which has doubtless run I to millions....now maybe I am being a little bit sceptical here but can you think of the best plan to raise awareness about the potential necessity of having said equipment ?????

The stakes are high in  global perception management

One thing is for sure...some1 somewhere has made a right pretty penny on the rush job at Gatwick and Heathrow to * install the military grade anti drone systems ...the cost of which has doubtless run * into millions....now maybe I am being a little bit sceptical here but can you think of the best plan to raise awareness about the potential necessity of having said equipment ?????

The stakes are high in  global perception management

Spellings  corrected..

The drone attack that brought Gatwick airport to a standstill last December could have been an “inside job”, according to police, who said the perpetrator may have been operating the drone from within the airport.

Sussex police told BBC Panorama that the fact an insider may have been behind the attack was “treated as a credible line of enquiry from the earliest stages of the police response”.

Gatwick’s chief operating officer, Chris Woodroofe, believes the perpetrator was familiar with the airport’s operational procedures and had a clear view of the runway or possibly infiltrated its communication network.

“It was clear that the drone operators had a link into what was going on at the airport,” he told Panorama, in his first interview since the incident.

He said the culprit had carefully picked a drone that would remain undetected by the airport’s DJI Aeroscope detection system being tested at the time.

Between 19 and 21 December last year, Gatwick airport faced widespread chaos after a drone was spotted hovering above the runway, causing more than 140,000 passengers to face flight delays and cancellations.

Despite a massive police operation and a £50,000 reward, police were unable to find the culprit. Sussex police said the investigation was continuing but it expected it to take “some months to complete”.

Woodroofe, who oversaw the airport’s response to the drone attack, described the incident as malicious and criminal. He dismissed criticism that airport staff overreacted at the time and said it was protocol to close the runway if a drone is present.

“There is absolutely nothing that I would do differently when I look back at the incident, because, ultimately, my No 1 priority has to be to maintain the safety of our passengers, and that’s what we did,” Woodroofe said. “And it was terrible that 140,000 people’s journeys were disrupted, but everyone was safe.”

Gatwick has since invested £5m on anti-drone equipment since the attack, which includes two sets of the AUDS (Anti UAV defence system) anti-drone system made by a consortium of three British companies.

Woodroofe said he is confident the airport is now much more protected, with new state-of-the-art technology that can better spot an attack. “We would know the drone was arriving on site and we’d know where that drone had come from, where it was going to and we’d have a much better chance of catching the perpetrator,” he said.

Source.. The Guardian. ( No idea if it is true mind )

Comedy gold here...,


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lfc1971
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^ still as confused as ever , any comments from our chit chat ‘ I do the research expert ‘ John Henry .....



The more research you carry out yourself for yourself presents you with the ability to sniff out the bullshyte. That is all this really is.

It also helps you to identify a complete c**t which in some cases ( ie ) ifc1971 It doesn't necessarily take much working out.

The biggest clue they give you is the amount of posts they put up and on how many varied subjects they offer them in. Summed up simply as A surefire C**t of all threads, master of none.

Enjoy the rest of your day !

Nothing much from lfc1971 in way of an update ... Its good progress ... I feel sure he will come back .. Lets see