Jerusalem, capital of Israel

Lol, and purely by coincidence, the timing of my post :o!

For those who wish to be pedantic about 18 days till Christmas, okay, 18 days and 6 hours.

Oh, his speech started at 6 minutes past 6pm GMT.  Lasted 12 minutes?

Jerusalem is Israel's capital - Trump

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42259443

errr the time is different in Israel and the US where Trump is speaking.  Interesting that you ping Zorro as the reason Trump is doing this is because American evangelical nutters think that the second coming requires the Jews to control Jerusalem.

1.01 zorro is mike pence

"Trump has opened the gates of hell "  Hamas.

sunderland to be capital of england, i have decided.

Well, well here's young David again!  You know, the guy who called me a dumb troll on the ROCKET MAN fred.  You do irony then?

FYI, the time zone I heard Trump's speech in is (as I posted) that of Greenwich.  Well, here's summat for you Sherlock ... https://www.timeanddate.com/time/gmt-utc-time.html

I cannot quite make sense of your second sentence but I won't argue with you about it ...
https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/66460/origin-of-do-not-argue-with-idiots hth

God Trump just makes gaff after gaff. Doesn't he know Jerusalem is a song?

What next, Trump declares Elanor Rigby UK ambassador to the US?

Another election promise Trump has carried out.

A man of his word.

A politician who continues to keep his word - yet the snowflake brigade continue to despise him.  What is their agenda really all about?

Perhaps Great Britain could do with such a leader, instead of one who continues to make "unhelpful" comments?  Then again, as Dr Crippen said on politics, perhaps it's part of her masterplan?  http://community.betfair.com/politics/go/thread/view/94150/30967175/teresa-may  Great theory, Sir!

JC!  How about Billie Jean as BLT fluid ambassador, Black Betty as Cultural ambassador, Sweet Caroline as Meteorological ambassador, Ruby Tuesday as Geological ambassador & Mustang Sally as Transport ambassador?

Do we have a position for Proud Mary and Suzie Q?  Irish & Sports ambassadors respectively, perhaps?  Hmm, this might need a fred of its own ...

very foolish move,more big bucks for the elite,its what they do

trump is trying his hardest to cause WW3

Of course he is, wasn't it him that started all those missile strikes etc.Trump is doing what it says on the tin for those who voted him in,and as already stated , wouldn't the World be a much better and safer place if WORLD politicians did the same!

Keeping your word doesn't justify or make it right !
Hitler kept his word as well

The man is a complete idiot

He is stiring up a hornets nest for HIS own political expediency. How many Israeli's have invested in Jared Cushner's property deals?

The Paris Climate accord to satisfy the Flat Earthers in his basket of deplorables. Meanwhile forest fires rage, floods are biblical. He wants to use coal and has promised the coal miners their jobs back. This after seeing a cricket match in India stopped because of polution, Who is he really trying to help?

More pipelines carrying poisonous oil which has and will contaminate the drinking water.

Tax cuts for the rich with a temporary bribe to the middle classes.

Collution with Russia to circumvent a fair election. Some call it treason!

Is Chump being blackmailed by Russia? What do they have on him?

The man will go out on a stretcher but his son Fredo and son in law will probably be sharing a cell!

He is ranging the whole of the muslim world against America. He is lucky they are too dumb to organise a boycott of American products worldwide but many of these countries may now look to China.

This is not going to end well. The Israeli's will be encouraged and continue to build in East Jerusalen and there will be no peace. There is no way Israel will pull back to 1967 borders because they are convinced of America's support in allowing them to continue building in the West Bank.

Anyone who gloats over this move by Chump is celebrating death of human beings.

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The ignorance of Trump supporters appears to have no limits.

From the web...

Hamas to declare a 'Day of Rage' after the Trump decision.
Oh, so just another ordinary normal day then.

North Korea to dangerous,Iran not an ideal enemy,the Palestinians made the perfect antagonists

Trump is essentially just a troll - his purpose just to annoy as many people as possible.

I like Jerusalem being a Jewish city and the capital of Israel

It's safer for Christians , and all religions so that's a good thing

They were there way before the turks or anyone else.  when did they invent islam???

a better question might be why ?

any answers ? well sometimes the question is more important than the answer

You wouldn't be allowed to ask that question in some Muslim cities , or countries
That's all you need to know about Jerusalem

Of course pretty soon we may not be allowed to ask that sort of question here either , in Britain
That's why I think we should shut up about Ttump

and do you think President Chump should acknowledge East Jerusalem the Capital of Palestine?

I have explained exactly what I think, no I don't , I want Jerusalem to be the capital of Israel , for the reasons I have stated

Palestinians can live there in complete freedom, of course
It will be an example to them and other. Muslim cities and countries

The response to Trump's speech says it all.

Here's just one example from Amsterdam:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5155695/Man-Palestine-flag-attacks-Jewish-venue-Amsterdam.html

A man waving a Palestinian flag launched an attack on a Jewish restaurant in Amsterdam just hours after Trump announced that the US now recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

Video filmed by a bystander shows the man using a piece of wood to smash in the windows of the kosher venue in Willemspark, one of Amsterdam's most affluent neighbourhoods, on Thursday morning.

The man was reportedly screaming 'Allahu Akbar' - God is Great - during the attack on the restaurant, which a Dutch Jewish organisation has branded 'an act of terror'.

They are well on their way to make any comments illegal/hate crimes etc.  At least I am ok as I am a dripping wet/soaked liquid fluidie thingy.  So there!!!

If all tribes could reclaim land based on it belonging to their people who were driven off it them the native Americans might have something to say about that don’t you think?
Ofc America assumed building a shinning city on a hill would be to the betterment of the whole world.....I just hope the rest of the world stands together in refusing to move their embassies there and America looks as fookin stupid as it’s leader.

The difference with Jerusalem is that they got a letter from the big spaghetti monster saying that’s what he wants so it’s all ok innit?

Personally I just love the way Noam Chomsky doesn’t mind saying it as it is when he calls America the greatest international terrorist on the planet, who among countless things they have done to other people ended up naming their helicopters after the very people they ran off the land.
He compares it to what it would have looked like if hitler called his Luftwaffe ‘jew’ and ‘gypsie’

they were there long before the other lot

but they aren't happy unless they are having a bundle smashing up what is left of their place

led by maniacs.

"... ended up naming their helicopters after the very people they ran off the land..."

Huey?

Should have Left Israel well alone ,Can you imagine the security they will need at that Embassy

Chinook and Apache even had the neck to call the osama bin laden assassination geronimo.

Israel, Jerusalem, the holy mountain will be there.

1000 years of rule by Christ - the coming prince.

Hannukah is in a few days - John 10.

A simple nod and the place flares up? i wonder why?

seventy year anniversary. ( the pope trying to change the words of the lord's prayer? )

time to decide ladies. because you don't want to miss out on ultimate bitcoin?
eternity on the wrong side of that is a bitch.

We fought so hard and long for democracy and now you want to be ruled by a monarch again, and for 1000 years even?

Screw that!

To some corrupt hippie slacker who has shown he just pisses off and goes to comfy heaven for a bunch of thousand years when the going gets tough no less. That's not someone who is to be trusted.

I saw that thing about the pope Zorro and was somewhat sceptical until I read what he had to say ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42279427

The current wording that says "lead us not into temptation" is not a good translation because God does not lead humans to sin, he says.

His suggestion is to use "do not let us fall into temptation" instead, he told Italian TV on Wednesday night.

My initial thoughts are that I don't see much harm in it.  Do you?

They made a very similar change to the French-language `Lord`s Prayer` last week, and may be making much the same change in the Italian version.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/08/world/europe/pope-francis-lords-prayer-translation-temptation.html

`...On Sunday, French churches began using a version of the Lord’s Prayer in which the line “Ne nous soumets pas à la tentation” (roughly, “do not expose us to temptation”) was replaced with “Ne nous laisse pas entrer en tentation” (“do not let us give in to temptation”).`

It would seem to me many if not 2/3rds of humans have no real idea in what is truly going on in life....

Their own lives and views are so important and can not except what is to happen.

Trust me you have no idea what your life is truly worth and why you are exactly where you are right now in that life. But one thing can be assured you will not know when it ends either.

Knowledge ....

The great Jewish leaders rejected Jesus as the Messiah even through he fulfilled all the Jewish prophecies. But they expected the Messiah to tear down their persecutors and deliver them from these wicked leader's. Jesus wore robes as the rich leaders wore fine clothing.

But God's plans are so much different to our own selfish plans. He wasn't what they expected so they rejected him.

Most humans still do this today 1 in 3.

Remember God's anger is better than any humans kindness.

So when things are going wrong in life. Take a step back remember your blessings and stop being selfish and think of others not ourselves.

‘Trust You’?

Why, other than what other humans have told you, what do you ‘know’?

What difference does it make if the words spoken in the Lord’s Prayer are grammatically incorrect?

They are a plea to god.
If god can’t understand the request based on that seeming ‘error’ then what fookin chance has humanity got?

God doesn’t lead us to temptation.

Good grief, how pedantic.
It was ‘him’ who created temptation, set up the trap of original sin and created humans fallible enough to fall for it all knowing they were to fail.

If people can’t see this fiddling by the pope is nothing more than an attempt to wrestle back Christmas 9that arguably is just an arbitrary date from rampant commercialism then we really do have a problem.

If our hope against the desires of other humans to destroy this planet for want of profit lays with the church, then we are in serious trouble because man killed god already.

Back to point.

I see that Haley whoever now seems to blame the whole of the UN for being anti Israel.

It seems the whole world is wrong and dictact gets decided when heads get together of just a very few people that shape doctrine and everyone who doesn’t follow are in the wrong.

Has anyone else seen that story about who they think was the mastermind behind this idea to recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel? It has been alleged it was some rich Jewish casino owner.

Dusty that would be Sheldon Adelson whose businesses have been convicted of money laundering and foreign corrupt practices.

Well, Diff-rent, you really are Diff e rent for a gambolling forum. Take a look at this from the great Epicurus:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able, and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?

And if that is not relevent to you, you'd better watch out for the certain other Religion that is on the march into the UK!

Yes Dave, that looks like the guy the story was about.

The idea that the American people voted for this as domestic policy, that effects very few of them at home, and that this is simply trump honouring that support when all the voters got were the option between two candidates is the greatest horse5hit of all.

No offense was intended.

Is it so impossible to believe that in human life you have been blessed with life. Your true Father in heaven not the man you call dad on earth. Knew you before birth ?

He already knows every person's true intentions.
For you and me a 100 yrs is a long time. In his world it's nothing.

His plans will come to pass and he loves every single soul in this life. But many 2/3rds will turn away from him and he will do his best to help you with certain punishments.

Like a Father punishing his beloved son. He doesn't want to punish him but his anger 8d out of pure kindness and love for their son.

He wants you to do well and be good.


What we do in life is binding in death make no mistake.

Is Trump mad ?
Is Trump just doing what Evil does ?
Is Trump good ?

No one knows his true intentions not even himself.

Peter loved Jesus but Jesus knew Peter better than he knew himself.

Listen to the **** call out 3 times and deny me 3 times.
Peter said never .....


To be honest none of us know our true intentions. Give someone money , give them a hot woman give them something lovely and exciting and see how they act...

I will tell you something close to my heart.

My son has autism and he is almost 6 and has never spoken.

But I love him l8ke all children ... a blessing.

I've lived a different life divorced , married kid's, drugs, drink and gambling...

But one day after hurting a lovely woman I realised I had to change. Hurting good people is wicked. I became wicked in heart.

My son will never sin. Because he can't and will need help to do everything until he dies.



I am this question ...

Who is the better person ?
Who when it comes to death and faces judgment will be happiest ?

Eternal life after death... In this life yes I may have been more fortunate but in death he will be way above me.

What past Prresidents said about Jerusalem. Looks like Trump differs in that he does what he says.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-07/what-have-past-presidents-said-about-israel-and-jerusalem/9234736

all you have to do is see who funded him to get into office and then see why he did this

With any luck this will drive a wedge between the insidious nature of america and the rest of the world.

Let them be pariahs.

I have a very long but hazy memory. They were offered peace decades ago and they never accepted.  End of.

now you have continual bickering with the extremists egging some of the young or militant on - keeping themselves in power and whipping some elements into action.
Look what they are trying to do in Lebanon.  Once a peaceful place.

Look what america did in central america, the far east and in the middle east by supporting dictators once their ideal of the 'Grand Area' started to fall apart.

why do think North Korea nuked up?because they were next on the list for a little regime change

they tried to wipe out Israel and failed

they simply do not like it but Israel are not going to let it happen

All america cared about around there was Egypt.

By the time Israel became 'established' (by breaking UN conventions) america was on the end of a sting as the majority of the Fed were supporters of the cause and was lending the money at a nailed on 6% return and unregulated so the nation of america could have proxy foreign conquests using euphemisms like 'defence spending'

Still trying to work out the link between Trump's tax plans and the jerusalem statement. Must be a senator or two who have promised  their support in return for this but maybe some of the more informed folk on here can fill in the details..

gilzby - the tax plan was bought by rich GOP donors like the Koch (pron ****) brothers.  The Jerusalem issue would be specifically bought by Trump donors like Adelson, who also wants a pre-emptive muclear strike on Iran.

The Balfour Declaration has  a lot to answer for. One of the worst decisions in history. Zionism stinks.

Trump has a long memory. He remembers the Palestine's dancing in the streets when the twin towers were attacked in his home city..

thought it was Zionists in New York on the day watching them come down

Oh look their crawling out of the woodwork now

believe what you like mug,couldnt give a flying f uck what you think

"oh look their crawling out of the woodwork now"
and now in English please

i previously posted the jordanian flag and the palestinian flag - side by side - please google them. they are the same - except the trans jordanian flag has a small star. the reason is - that they never renamed the land Palestine but Jordan. The land was divided by the UN - 77 percent went to the palestinians(arabs as they were called in 1948) and 23 percent of the land went to Israel. the capital was shared. the christians got nothing. there was 3 percent christians. 30 percent of the population was Israeli and they got 23 percent of the land. So the israelis got the shaft on that deal.
there was always israelis living on the land. always represented even when the population of Jerusalem was a thousand in the sixth century. When Mohammedans conquered the place in the seventh century and erected the golden tit mosque? (some call it an abomination)
the jews were there.
Currently there are fifteen million jews worldwide, upper estimate. 7 million in Israel. there are 1,500 million muslims worldwide. They cannot afford to leave the jews alone? as they are showing them up? a hundred to one ratio. cannot let them have the land that Mohammad told them to give to the jews? that's right in the Koran, Mohammad instructs them to give the land back to the jews and help them. Crazy ****.

they got their cake 77 percent of the land - they did not own any of it? because it was TURKISH for 400 years. Not Palestine... it was the Ottoman empire - 1517-1917. then it was British. until 1947.

Recap - the bible says two thirds of JEWS will die in the tribulation. that's ten million more jews will die. And this world is against them. So all you idiots that are pro Palestinian are against God's chosen people. The evil that's coming down to the jews soon will be reflected back on judgement day.
Jerusalem was never the capital of Palestine.

as above - I said earlier - they were there long before the Mo's lot

‘Where else?’ Netanyahu cites Bible to justify Trump’s Jerusalem move, urges EU to follow suit

https://www.rt.com/news/412686-netanyahu-jerusalem-capital-bible/

The land was divided by the UN - 77 percent went to the palestinians(arabs as they were called in 1948) and 23 percent of the land went to Israel. the capital was shared. the christians got nothing. there was 3 percent christians. 30 percent of the population was Israeli and they got 23 percent of the land. So the israelis got the shaft on that deal.


Yes, Palestinian nationalism is a relatively new phenomenon.

I just don't get why some people are so against Israel's right to exist and defend itself.



believe what you like mug,couldnt give a flying f uck what you think

He's certainly no mug. I would estimate he's at least in the top 5% on here when it comes to backing horses.

the jews were located in southern Russia hundreds of years ago I thought?

o really nick,well what pees me off is what I said was filmed and is correct so if he doesn't know what he talking about its best to say nothing

" What I said was filmed " what does that actually mean ?

stick with what you do best pump

stick at what you are good at pumps,btw backed get on the vager @ 9/2 so I'm not so shabby either

Nooooooo  not after-timing as well

Shamrokh should go close in the 3.00

Or not

We do not want anymore Muslim cities anywhere in the world
What is difficult to understand about that ?

lol true pumps but only mentioned it cos someone said you have a nick of picking the winners

Something white western/east european Israelis never bargained on.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20140214-high-skin-cancer-levels-among-israelis-of-western-origin/

Trump has a long memory. He remembers the Palestine's dancing in the streets when the twin towers were attacked in his home city.

Trump doesn't care about that - he's only done this to please the flat-earthers back home who believe Jesus Christ had blue eyes and spoke English.

What's wrong with that ? How awful to get to heaven and find out god wasn't English , or at least spoke English

It would be dreadful to discover that god was French, or even worse German

The one thing we can be sure of is that Jesus was a Christian
That's all you need to know

Oh, and the American people are in the main Christian
thank goodness for that as well

http://www.dw.com/en/muslim-leaders-declare-east-jerusalem-as-the-capital-of-the-state-of-palestine/a-41767851
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http://www.dw.com/en/muslim-leaders-declare-east-jerusalem-as-the-capital-of-the-state-of-palestine/a-41767851
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bbc showed anniversary clips of the black September killings of civilians in the west
during the seventies - airplanes exploding on tar mac.
the PLO also were causing mayhem. terrorism is just fine. easily forgotten.
the Israelis contribute to society. the Palestinians? Arabs -  are tribes which are
deeply violent. see Lawrence of Arabia.
the Turks in that film really liked Lawrence? (rap) yet they stand up in the Arab league and
rewrite history to suit their ends. the end of the jew.

Question: "Should Jerusalem be the capital of modern-day Israel?"

Answer:  Jerusalem figures prominently in both biblical history and biblical prophecy, and it is currently the focus of much controversy and political wrangling. As of December 6, 2017, the United States has recognized Jerusalem as the official capital of Israel, acknowledging the facts of history but rankling the Muslim world. All politics aside, the declaration that Jerusalem is the legitimate capital of Israel is biblically and historically accurate.

more ...

https://www.gotquestions.org/QOTW.htm

King David first chose Jerusalem as Israel’s capital 1,000 years before Christ. The city was destroyed in AD 70, but, after World War II, on May 14, 1948, Israel once again became an independent state. The U.S. quickly recognized Israel’s restored status as a national homeland for the Jewish people. Then on December 5, 1949, Israel declared Jerusalem to be its capital again. Unfortunately, other nations have been slow in facing the reality of Israel’s independence and its right to choose its own capital.

In 1995, the United States Congress passed the Jerusalem Embassy Act, which required the U.S. embassy be moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. However, for twenty-two years, implementation of that law was delayed on the grounds of “national security.” Now, finally, the U.S. has officially recognized the obvious—Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. This recognition accords with thousands of years of history and the wishes of Israel itself.

Of course, some are opposed to recognizing Jerusalem as the Israeli capital. Muslims in general and Palestinians in particular (and Muslim terrorist organizations) are offended by the thought of Jerusalem being made the legitimate capital of Israel. This is due in large part to the place the Temple Mount holds as the third holiest Islamic site. According to the Qur’an (Surah 17:1), Muhammad made a miraculous night journey from Mecca to Jerusalem in AD 621. There he led worship at “the farthest mosque,” was lifted to heaven, and returned to earth to carry on his teachings. The Dome of the Rock, built in AD 692, marks the place where Muhammad supposedly ascended to heaven. Today the Temple Mount is under the control of the Jerusalem Islamic Waqf, a trust established in 1187 to manage the Islamic structures in Jerusalem. Under their current rules, access to the holy sites is prohibited to all non-Muslims.

It is important to realize a couple things: first, the Israeli government recognizes the rights of Muslims to worship on the Temple Mount, and it works to protect them there. Second, the Qur'an upholds the rights of the Jews to the Promised Land, which includes Jerusalem: “And thereafter Allah said to the children of Israel, ‘Dwell securely in the Promised Land’” (Sura 17:104; see also Sura 2:122; Sura 45:17; and Sura 57:26).

Normally, every country designates its own capital, and then nations with diplomatic relations with that country build an embassy in that city. For instance, when Brazil moved its capital from Rio de Janeiro to Brasilia in 1961, all the foreign embassies moved as well. The only country in the world whose capital has not been honored this way is Israel. All of Israel’s government buildings, as well as the residences of the President and Prime Minister, are there. Yet not a single foreign embassy is in Jerusalem. We believe that Israel should be afforded the same right as every other country to choose its own capital.

The rebirth of Israel in 1948 was a vital step in the fulfillment of biblical prophecy. The dry bones began coming back together (Ezekiel 37). The recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s true and historic capital is another giant step. The stage is being set for the rest of prophetic scriptures to be fulfilled. We may not know all the implications of current events on the prophetic timeline, but one thing we can say for sure is that Jerusalem is a special city. It is the only city in the world where God has put His Name: “In Jerusalem, which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel, I will put my Name forever” (2 Kings 21:7).

All based on fairytales.

Sure ;)

bible mentions JERUSALEM over 600 times. KOran Zero times.

the call themselves the ancestors of Abraham - they believe they
are part of three great monolitic religions. But the Muslim's are
wrong. Abrahamic  Covenant between God and Abraham gives the land to
the jews for eternity. So they disrespect Abraham.

Muhammad (not a good guy) even instructs his followers in the Koran
to help the jews to their land. He tells them to help them. But
they ignore these passages. So they have a liar, telling them to do
good to the jews, but they ignore him and do what they want.
disrespect Muhammad too. But that one is at least understandable - he
was a warlord/thief/murderer/child bride at six-nine/torturer.

What did Jesus do that compares to Muhammad? what base instinct did he embrace?