Intermittent Fasting ? I've tried everything else.

I think it makes sense to reduce the window to your most active hours but you should start with a good breakfast and don't eat too late in the evening otherwise your body will store those calories.
I nearly always start with a good bowl of Scottish porridge (oats and water) with a handful of sultanas cooked in. Yummy.

This has been covered in previous threads.  Also referred to as 5:2.

In brief, I have done it for 9 months and steadily lost nearly 2 stone.

It isn't a hardship.  You just need a little will-power.

With respect to Foinavon, I find if I have breakfast i.e. before 9.00 , I am just as hungry at lunchtime, if not more.

I do agree that eating late is a recipe for disaster.

Also, it will get easier...and don't do two fasting days in a row.

And FFS it isn't really 'fasting.'

It just means you don't have breakfast or lunch but you can have a perfectly acceptable meal for 600 calories later in the day.  Get some low cal meal 300-400 cals from the supermarket and add loads of veg.

5-2 diet works for me and has done for the past 4 years.Started at 14stone and got down to 12 in no time at all.Put a bit back on when i laxed but back on it now and and back under 13stone and heading south.Intermittent is hard to do where as the 5-2 is far more manageable.Mon and Thurs are my two days.It helps if you skip brekky on those two days i find.Cup of tea mid morning and a salad for lunch another cup of tea mid afternoon and a fish dish for dinner(without spuds of course).Drink loads of water and it will soon be an EAT day.G/L

Eat 2 large poached eggs mornings. You won't need anthiny else until 5pm

I've been doing the 5-2 for a couple of months and have lost nearly 2 stone - starting at 17st 9ib.

My fast days are Friday & Monday and I usually have a can of soup with added vegetables such as leek & potato soup poured over a couple of pre-cooked leeks & also plenty of fruit.

As Jack says it's not much of a hardship just a bit of will power. I've also realised that I was eating loads of junk before and I'm now eating much more healthily on my non fast days.

True Badworth - I do eat better on non fast days.

Monday and Thursday for me too, but the beauty of it is that it is a 'moveable feast'

Mrs H reckons I don't need to do 2 days now so tonight, the BBQ is fired up and the beers are flowing!

My brother pays for serious fasting retreats with medical supervision, fighting rheumatoid arthritis through diet alone, refuses meds.

Would you like to expand, Saddo?

my fasting is going well

i saw a Mario Lanza documentary on the BBC years ago. he sung best when he
was heavy(fat) and would record the score before filming. Then he would go
into a fat farm. they locked him in a room for about six weeks ans feed him
set meals.he was allowed one bottle of beer a day. But it backfired.
"the twilight sleep treatment", which required its patients to be kept
immobile and sedated for prolonged periods caused fibromyalgia. It took it's
toll and he died of a heart attack at the age of 38.

I've been on a no sugar in food kick since long before it became fashionable. It means I don't eat almost all processed/prepared foods since they have added sugar. Otherwise I eat whatever I like, whenever I like, and have never had a weight problem. Want a filling breakfast? Have a boiled potato with your bacon and eggs. As I do every day.

It will work if you stick to it. I lost over 2 stone doing while on it. The thing that has really worked for me though is a low carb diet. As pxb has pointed out it's the carbs that get you. I've had no potatoes or rice for over a month now and can honestly say I haven't missed them.
I've changed my bread to Burgens Bread as it has less carbs in and easily find I'm happy with 4 slices a week. Breakfast now is usually strawberries etc with goats yoghurt.
I still drink though but have still lost a stone and a half. My blood pressure and blood sugar readings are now that of a normal healthy person.
But best of all I don't feel like I'm dieting and know I'll have no problem carrying on with it. This book is excellent for showing how many carbs in each food.

Carbs & Cals Carb & Calorie Counter: Count Your Carbs & Calories with Over 1,700 Food & Drink Photos!

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https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Books/Carbs-Cals-Carb-Calorie-Counter/1908261153/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1499402631&sr=8-4&keywords=carb+and+calorie+counter+book

^ will need to change forum name soon!

When you go to the supermarket check out what fat people put in their shopping cart. You'll find, almost without exception, large amounts of carbonated drinks and processed foods.

Nosing around in fat folks shopping baskets is liable to get you a punch up the bracket.

I wasn't aware the UK was so far ahead of the world, they had invented cloaked shopping carts that you can't see into.

Fair point

I've yet to see a fat person with a hand basket at the checkout.

Another good point^

pxb has nailed it by excluding sugar.
Sugar is addictive and causes cravings.

When I was younger, if I felt peckish I'd eat a biscuit, and finish up by eating the whole packet. Then start on the cakes.

Now if I feel hungry between meals I eat an item of fruit or a few nuts and that does the trick. 
Get the sugar out of your diet and you'll find losing weight a lot easier.

I weigh 47kg, eat whatever i feel like(lots of carbonated drinks in the last 3 months, almost none from 2014-2016). I dont know what a food craving is, though i need to bite on meat every few days. Otherwise i start fantasising about it. If I force myself to eat a lot, I get sick after about a week and any weight ive gained(at most a kilo) vanishes and im back at 47. The only time i touched 50, i had a flu and i was imediately back to 46. Basically if i miss a meal, i lose weight.

What are you folks on about?

^^tinribs.

Here's something else to consider if you care about your health:

Buy yourself a blood glucose meter.
Follow the instructions and take some readings.
Then see how far off from developing diabetes you are.

The normal range after fasting is  5 - 6.1
6.1 - 6.9 is pre diabetes.
Over that and you're in trouble.

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes_care/blood-sugar-level-ranges.html

The results might shock you into losing that weight and force you to develop good eating habits and to take some exercise.

High blood sugar is like slow poison, but you can help yourself before it gets too bad.

Some confusion here. Some posters are talking about 5/2 diets which I do not think is what the OP meant. I'm not sure any posts directly address OP's question. Tbh it sounds like the worst sort of fad diet but I'm no expert.

All diets amount to the same thing. You eat less and you lose weight.

If you cut right down on carbs you lose weight faster.

detraveller how tall are you
you weigh around 7 1/3 stone
are you a lady

5 7

i know

no

I work in a physical job 5 1/2 days a week. I never have lunch and quite often I skip brekkie too. It's all very odd as I don't get hungry. Still over 14stone which I'm happy enough with.

We're told regular exercise helps. It doesn't. Your body becoems more efficient as you get fitter and burns less fat. In some ways it increases weight due to musle toning.

Carbs and sugar are the enemies. An booze. Not in itself per se. More that the body processes it first (as it's a toxin) and neglects food digestion. That leads to food being stored as fat rather than broken down.

Thinner than a gypsy's dog is detraveller.

Or a racing snake.

Yes that's right Injera the body burns off the alcohol first, so the food goes to fat.

Alcohol is sugar as far as putting on weight is concerned.

If I were diabetic I wouldn't go near alcohol.
   
In fact I'd have knocked the drinking on the head years ago if I'd know then what I know now about drinking.

I drink most days but not a lot anymoe. I'm diabetic and with what I'm doing now my reading is between 3-5. After food it rises to 6. We're all different and it's a case of doing what works for you.

Sugar/Carbs are lethal.

Cook meals, whole foods not processed. Dead simple stuff like chuck chicken thighs (no skin) in a pan with tinned tomatoes and curry powder, cook on low for about 2 hours so it all falls apart and have with rice.

The Slimming World thing now is basically a 3rd of your plate needs to be veg/salad it just fills you up.

I don't have a sweet tooth, bee is my thing, I stopped drinking for 6 months last October when I was just about 23 stone, was 16.25 this morning :=)

Those readings would be very good for a non diabetic bigmo.

de trav is jo lumley or neil from young1s

w#ell done bigmo

Detraveller is Lester Piggott.

too lucid

it's hard to do this. second day and i waited to 4pm to eat. i had a six hour window and i ate a big meal. doctor on ytube says you must eat 2000 calories, otherwise your body will go into starvation mode. this is to be avoided. As it'll try and hang on to the weight.
felt stuffed and with the water you feel more stuffed. You actually feel like not eating anything at all as a way to alleviate the stuffed feeling. can't eat now to 4pm tomorrow.

if i counted all the weight I lost in past years i'd be in negative weight territory. it's not losing weight.. it's keeping it off. i went from 15st to 11st twenty years ago and used to run 5-10 k every other day. Lasted a few years. but it's a lot harder as you get older to lose the weight. unless you get ill. the trots.

it's not losing weight.. it's keeping it off.

That's the problem with dieting. We have evolved to live thru feast and famine cycles, and put on weight during the good (food available) times in preparation for the lean times.

While it takes time, preparing and cooking your own food is the way to go. Make big batches and freeze portion sizes. There is some evidence that cooking your own food signals to your body that food is plentiful and there is no need to put on weight in preparation for lean times.

Otherwise, there is an awful lot of faddy nonsense out there about diet. Good luck.

Thanks Dr Crippen. I know I keep banging on about this low carb diet which is essentially what yourself and the others are saying but it's been brilliant for me.
The most pleasing thing is it's become so normal to eat this way I know I wont fail this time.I don't feel like I'm dieting.
Thanks Capt_F
Good luck zorrostrikes with watever you decide to do.

Apologies didn't notice page 2 before I posted.

Yes bigmo,

Dr Berg on YouTube who has made many videos on the subject of diet, maintains that the explosion in diabetes was caused by guidelines concerning fat in our diets.
This meant that fat got taken out of our diets and was replaced by carbs and sugar.

As the Atkins diet maintains - eat fat grow slim. The Atkins diet eliminates carbs as its base.

When I say carbs I include sugar in that.

I must admit, I am not convinced about carbs. Grains have been a major part of our ancestors diet since the invention of farming. Whereas sugar is a relatively recent addition, from 200 to 300 years ago when sugar cane was started to be grown extensively in the Americas.

Thus we have had roughly 10 times longer (10X more generations) to adapt to grains in our diet than sugar.

There are places where grains (wheat, rice) form a much larger percentage of people's diet than in the West and I am not aware of high levels of diabetes in these places.

I am not aware of high levels of diabetes in these places.

Have you any information at all on these places and their incidents of diabetes?

zorro are you a muslim .. i've never heard of white guys fasting tbh

I've also put a bit of weight on this winter but never really eat all day , trouble is i do like to pig out every once in a while , like now i got a reduced indian banquet for 2 & a few drinks while it's cooking , will probably last me until tomorrow but i think it's more the drink than the food that does me , and lack of excercise i admit , but fasting does no good at all , imho!

Looking at a list of of coutries diabetes incidence, there does seem to be a link with wheat consumption, but not rice.

I know Egypt gets a very high proportion of calories from wheat and it also has a very high incidence of diabetes.

https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/SH.STA.DIAB.ZS/rankings

I really like Dr.Berg, I first saw his videos about two years ago.
I cut carbs and sugar out a year 18 months ago and kept to it for a year.
but I hit a wall. After losing two stones. It's very powerful but I felt
i'd went too far. I lost all appetite for chocolate and sweets and even now
after going back to eating everything in the last six months I'm no longer
interested in chocolate much? that want is gone. It's the carbs which I consider
the bigger enemy. I like bread and it's been adulterated by Soy/soya flour.
I've cut bread out again. (was getting rolls without soya).
Dr Berg opened my eyes to taking calcium supplements, how dangerous they were.
He advocated lemon juice/cider vinegar/coconut oil to be incorporated into your
diet. But the extreme amount of green stuff he was asking people to eat for
potassium was a bone of contention, i messaged him about Calcium oxalate Build up
and he made a video about it? First time I think a doctor ever listened to me..
Carbs damaging villi in the intestines - He's good at explaining the core problem, but like every doctor on the internet he's pushing a line of products you don't really need. a good variety of foods does the same job.

Mr Moonbeam -
It's not really fasting? As a young man I always skipped breakfast and would work to lunchtime before I ate. It's a return to that pattern?
My younger atheist self was a smarter chap in some things.
I cannot eat the same stuff he ate anymore? Being fifty now, I cannot
eat the volume anymore. My stomach acid is getting weaker. It comes with age.
It's what causes arthritis in the aged. The loss of the ability to take calcium
out of foods anymore. Strong acid is needed. Dr.Berg explains it(ytube).
Silica is very importante! Porridge oats(raw)best source I could find.

In the seventies,  I remember the Christians(the older generation) were fasting still. but they stopped it - some people fainted and it was discouraged.
In the bible the Pharisees reprimanded Jesus and his followers about not keeping to
the fasting day - Jesus told them to £$@* off , no , he told them nobody fasts while the bridegroom is at the wedding feast. that there was a time and place for fasting.
That they would return to fasting when he was gone.

Thanks pxb.

There's a Dr Fung on YouTube who uses intermittent fasting to reverse diabetes in patients.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a2Fsfa8e4I

Everybody should be interested in their blood glucose levels for them to be in a position to avoid getting Type 2 diabetes.

is type 2 diabetes real? Isn't it just a sugar overload? As soon as you stop
eating crap - the levels return to normal.

what i mean is if i ate five mars bars an hour before they draw blood - the levels might show type two. do the same next week with no food before the test - normal?

lost 4 lbs in 4 days.
no exercise.
good start.

zorro,

The standard test for blood glucose is done after fasting.
If for instance when you book an appointment and the test is to be done in the morning. They might tell you not to eat anything after 10pm the night before.

What they're measuring is your resistance to your own insulin.
A higher than normal reading means your insulin is not doing its job in bringing down the sugar in your blood, which if you carry on with your present lifestyle will get worse.
While a high enough reading means you're already diabetic.

Stage 1 diabetes is different, that's where you don't make insulin at all and you have to inject it or die.

avoid it all - eat foods
with chromium and vanadium.

just simplified it - wait six hours after you wake to eat.
eat 2000 calories, low carbs. eating window 5 hours.

no need to buy a book with that?

Good luck with your diet Zorro.
Losing 4lbs in 4 days is too rapid, you will lose muscle tissue and could develop other problems.
Two pounds a week is what you should aim for.

It'll be water? I think the maximum you can lose is two pounds of fat a week?
I heard that somewhere? Whether that's true, I don't  know. People stranded
in boats or in prisons? lose a lot. I'll have to look it up?
I'm still eating protein and veg(amino acids), so muscle loss shouldn't come into it.
they said as long as you eat 2000 calories you'll avoid going into a catabolic
state. (As it relates to bodybuilding, catabolism is the breaking down of muscle tissue).
Only when you go into starvation mode will muscle wasting occur.

Perhaps taking more exercise at the same time as dieting will help protect muscle mass too.

i need to lose muscle mass, i used to do aerobics, step treader for a year a half hour full pelt, jogging for ten years and a labouring job. I have legs like Stallone. I only swim now.
It's the smart exercise. I wish I'd learned earlier. All this hammering yourself on concrete is nuts. My local chippy's son died in the Manchester half marathon. he was like a rake. no fat on him. I think he was about 25? i'm done with extreme exercising. my joints are telling me to stop. swimming is super good. one hour constant swimming.

send me some chocolate through the mail.
can't eat till 5.30pm. - over 4 hours to go?

Can't eat today till after 6.00.  Haven't had anything since 7.00 last night.

Bit peckish but will have a bottle of diet bitter lemon or tonic or tonic with elderflower.

No problem.

same boat?

had lasagne and lettuce last night. about 7 - same as you.

are we room mates? do i have a bad memory?

Same boat today, maybe.

Tomorrow I will be on a cruise ship of excess, fuelled by real ale and burgers.

just had a pint of bitter tea with lemon juice? yuck.

have to rein back, getting too unfit. i feel like a muscle builder who
cant run because of sheer bulk. critical mass.
i wish i were one of those wirey dudes you see in old pop groups.
without taking heroin... of course.
stopping jogging was a mistake. council took away my running track to build a school.

Avoid sugar in foods, and anything with refined  wheat (white flour) as an ingredient. Eg white bread and majority of cereals.

I think it works but bottom line is this: in that 8 hour window or whatever if you eat cr^p its not going to help you. you have to eat healthier, salads, avocados, lean protein, cook everything yourself. eliminate wheat and sugar from your diet as much as you can.

find some "healthy" food that you actually enjoy. try out new stuff. you might be a big nut fan but you've never eaten nuts ;) (not you vicar)  nuts are very satiating and full of minerals. they are high in fat but people who eat nuts actually lose weight because they stop you eating sugars and the like. eat natural foods and you'll lose weight because the body wants to be lean and fit and healthy but you have to give it the right fuel to do so otherwise it will be fat & lazy.

zorro - i totally agree with you on marathon running. it kills the body. you're better off having a bit of muscle but you still need some cardio but those long distance runners are not healthy.
also agree road running is terrible for your joints. better to run through woods or on grass.
again find something that works for you. don't look outwards but look within for the answers.

when david blaine fasted for 45 days in that cube above the thames he lost 1lb per day and that was from eating nothing, but also no exercise , barely any movement.  i wouldn't advise extreme weight loss unless you are 30 stone but rather taper it back, make a few adjustments, once you see some improvement you'll be more motivated to keep going, but it all begins and ends with diet .  diet is 80%, exercise is 20%.

there are a few famous examples of people who claim and i say claim they only eat once per day. herschell walker is a former NFL player who says he only eats once a day or at least he used to and all he would eat was soup and i think a salad and maybe a small bit of meat. there was also a famous bodybuilder serge nubret who would eat once in the evening, a massive plate of rice and some horse meat.  so it can be done, this IF, intermittent fasting, or even just the 1-meal-a-day, but you've got to find what works for you and your lifestyle.

tesco weight watchers fish pie, loads of frozen beans and 2 x little microwave bags of mixed veg.

job done

roll on the weekend

Sweet potatoe and spinach curry for me tonight..........fat free

Why fat free ugdan?

I don't want to spoil your curry but if you're eating it on plate of rice that's a problem.
Also note the sugar content of the curry. 
You should be increasing healthy fat in your diet and eliminating sugar, while drastically reducing carbohydrates.
That's the way to lose weight for anyone who is interested.

to lose weight, you need to create a calorie deficit , either through exercise, eating less, or both .

aim for 1-2 pound a week loss

if you don't lift weights ( bodybuilding )  on a diet you will lose weight but you will also lose muscle .

low carb
low fat
intermittent fasting

they just create a calorie deficits in different ways

good luck

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html

Well gents I have hit the big 50 not overweight but starting to develop a belly any suggestions on how to lose it.

Dr C part of the Slimming World program is free foods and speed foods. Free foods are pasta, spuds, pulses low fat meat eggs to name a few. The speed foods are basically most vegetables which you must have a third of your plate filled with this. I had a bit of a fall out with them over the carbs. If you tell a fat g1t like me I can eat all I want, I tend to take you at your word so ploughed into the pasta. Only after hearing that pasta turns to sugar on 5live radio did I stop as I was diagnosed pre diabetic. Knocked that on the head and blood sugars came down. Whether it's right on wrong weighed in this morning 2.5lb lighter. Lost a total of 3st 4lb. Plenty still to go

i heard Fred Astaire ate one big meal a day?

lost 6 lbs this week, won't be fat though. okay for first week.
i once lost 11 lb in a week about ten years ago? diet and exercise?

no exercise this week.
you are basically eating in a four hour window 2000 calories.
you feel stuffed and borderline bloated. Famine and feast.
you get to a point you don't want to eat.
saving money on food bills.

enjoying the fast -

ten days in. Kept to it so far. had a weekend where I ate bread, which was naughty?
But kept to the four hour window of eating.
Yesterday I thought about not eating at all? but That's just nuts.
feel a lot better - my stomach is settled. I was getting pains, but it's went away.

Lasagna and lettuce makes a nice meal. Cheap too. add some mayo to the lettuce, with pepper.
it's meaty, creamy... under 800 calories.

The next level would be to avoid all carbs and sugars. But I think I'll just continue
with this level for a month. I think it's working.

the hard part is the countdown? If you wake at eight, you don't eat till 2pm. (six hours away) so you wait for the alarm bell at two to grab some food. Stop at six. eat 2000 calories. At least it's regimented. it's all decided in advance. With grazing and eating food all the time you scramble for more and more food. It gets out of hand. the structure this supplies is very good.

It's amazing how we've all been led up the garden path over fat in our diets.

Before we went fat-free mad and replaced fat with carbs and sugar most people were slim.
Then a dubious report was published about fat clogging up our arteries and the world took note and ditched the fat for sugar and carbs.
We only have to look around at people to see the disaster that advice has been, and now the tests that advice were based on are under the cosh.
Of course the greatest danger to eating too many carbs and sugar is diabetes. It's no wonder everyone is getting it.
There are now studies showing that carbs and sugar are responsible for bad cholesterol and not fat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL5-9ZxamXc

About 24 minutes in, although I suggest anyone interested listens to the whole lecture.

According to that and many others like it, sugar and carbohydrates are the real dangers to health not fat.

More strong reasoning here that fat is not the culprit in the real cause of heart attacks. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6SVB99mJHA

Short-term weight loss is easy. Thousands of diets work well in the first year. Low-fat, high-fat, low-carb, grapefruit, M&M etc. Long-term weight loss is hard or even very hard. Stupid thing is that almost all scientific studies are short-term. Almost none of them have a duration of more than 18 months, so are completely pointless. Any professor who conducts a weight-loss study with a duration of less than 36 months should lose his/her academic title imo.

Anyway, happy to share with you how I have achieved long-term weight-loss... The thing which some of you might find annoying is that it was completely unintentional. I've never tried to lose weight. Once upon a time, more than 10 years ago, I had a BMI of 25 (borderline overweight). Now I have a BMI of 19 (borderline underweight). It appears there are no health benefits whatsoever for going from a BMI of 25 to 19, but it's nevertheless a quite substantial weight-loss.

Change#1: I stopped drinking sweet drinks (including fruit juice and artficially sweetened drinks, which are just as bad), and eating candy. I did this for dental reasons, not because I wanted to lose weight. It did however result in a substantial weight-loss, and that weight has stayed off ever since.

Change#2: A couple of years later I went vegetarian. Then I lost a bit more weight, and that weight has also stayed off.

Note that both changes I made have been permament, at least so far. I still don't drink sweet drinks, eat candy or animals. Everyone knows that sweet drinks including artificially sweetened drinks are associated with obesity right? So not much to say about that. On average vegetarians weigh a bit less than omnivores (and vegans even less), so maybe not surprising that I lost a bit weight when I gave up meat as well. A few things to note about my vegetarian diet: It's high in fiber (fruit, vegetables, legumes), and out of necessity I do much more cooking from scratch than what I did before. Eating lots of fiber is associated with lower body-weight, and lots of cooking from scratch means less highly processed crap, and you don't necessarily have to give up meat to make those changes. (In the unlikely event that I convince someone to go vegetarian - make sure you don't become deficient in vitamin B12! That happened to me, but it was discovered in a blood test before I noticed any seriously bad effects.)

Personally I think you should think about permanent healthy lifestyle changes that you can stick with if you want long-term results. Sad that there's so much conflicting advice about what's healthy. (Maybe take a look at what they eat in places where obesity isn't a big problem?) Better with small changes you can stick with than drastic changes that you find intolerable in the long run.

I wish you long-term success Zorro, and everyone else who is trying to lose weight!

guy in lecture said if you eat wrong... the body wraps the toxins
in fat and stores it away. if it's a natural food it can deal with it.
use it to build muscle and bone etc.
when you do burn fat in a diet you release the stored toxic stuff, and
you feel lousy - that's why diets usually fail. ?

ufcdan, well done.

You'd better believe what you did was correct, and that carbs and sugar are the killers as far as diabetes is concerned.

Remember insulin resistance is what Stage 2 diabetes is all about.
Diabetics have to produce more and more insulin because it isn't doing its job and the blood sugar remains high.
Simply giving patients medication to bring down blood sugar simply makes the condition worse if they continue eating carbs and sugar.
Which can lead to full blown Stage 1 diabetes.

Fat does not trigger insulin. Yes that is correct, eat as much as you like.

So simply cut out the carbs and sugar and your blood sugar count comes down.

Why isn't this information given out by GPs?

The answer is that they're controlled by the pharmaceuticals and there's no profit in curing people.
Producing drugs that manage health conditions are the perfect business. You never lose your customers.
Except when they die.

So simply cut out the carbs and sugar and your blood sugar count comes down.

And as far as this thread is concerned - your weight will come tumbling down as well.

i'd reiterate what Mr A says...

Don't start or try and 'diet' that you can't see yourself continuing for the rest of your life.

And, have a look at what fat people have in their supermarket trolleys and have a look at what slim people have in their supermarket baskets.

I'm making lamb curry with potatos and cauliflower. 2 of my favourite vegetables. That's about all you need to know. Cook stuff you like.

Watched that Eat,Shop,Save on ITV the other night. Fussy 8 year old wouldn't eat veg but loved curry. Expert cooked a curry sauce using sweet potatoes as the base. I gave it ago, the whole family liked it including my 24 year old fussy eater step son

Also, portion size.

Hardly hear anything about it.

i have a nephew who never eats eggs?
I think it's mad, as french toast(eggy bread) is my favourite thing.
with bacon and hp, it's a gluttony thing.

some egg gets past him, as his mom makes fried fish with breading and egg is used
to stick the breading. mayo has egg too.

It's nuts how people develop aversions to certain foods.

i hate garden peas but would eat them to be polite.

i've never ate sushi as i don't want parasites.
and the fish is coming from Asia?

Well, I just had smoked haddock a few small potatoes and some frozen veg.  Did I enjoy it?  Not the veg.

A bit peckish again now but tomorrow is another day.

Nature has played a dirty trick  on humans, all the stuff we hardly need like sugar and carbs tastes great and we crave it. While veg which we do need and does us good tastes bland and gets left on our plates.
Or boiled to death so there's nothing left except mush.

I am all for Al Dente.

Got all his albums.

Lots of people have food aversions, Zorro. I never drink milk or eat butter and am none the worse for it. Milk is fatty and sweet and could be from where the love of sweetened fatty foods like chocolate and cake originated. I don't eat those either.
I don't think it essential to eat a lot of green leafy food if one compensates with plenty of fruit. Personally I love cabbage and root vegetables as well as all types of fruit.

Losing weight is a mental challenge.  The physical solution is simple.  Eat a better diet (more protein, fruit and veg, less sugar, fat and carbs) and exercise more.

I'd advise trying ostrich fillet.  It's expensive at £20 a kilo, but it's only 2% fat and super filling.  After a nice steak it's my second favourite meat.  It's particularly nice with fries, but you can just cook it with onions and salad and swerve the fries.  You'll be amazed how filling it is and there is no waste, so even though it's expensive you don't need that much.

but it's only 2% fat

Why does the fat content matter?

because the leaner the cut of meat the more weight you will lose / the less weight you will gain.

That's incorrect CLYDEBANK.

I've dug a video out that explains it here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1Z9ObBmRxE

i tried Ostrich steaks last week in Tesco -
prefer beef steak. It was precooked, just a two
minute reheat. like turkey beef.?

static this week - nothing lost?
very disappointed.