Soft Brexit ? did we vote to leave the EU ? what is this.

Ultimately zorro, that is what we will have to do.

I voted to leave the EU when given the choice.

I voted to join the Common Market in 1975 (a common market, not economic and political union).

I voted in the referendum to leave the EU, to get the fook out of it all ... then we can negotiate with the EU what bits we want to be part of and which bits they allow us to be part of.

It's that simple ... FFS, how many numpties do we have in this country?

The referendum was for Brexit if I understand it correctly? Not hard or soft, right? If that's the case, the fact that a soft or hard brexit is under discussion should tell you what the eventual result will be. It will be a soft brexit. Because if they wanted a hard one, they'd have done that already.

It was clear this would happen because the american president clearly said that he would not want the people of Britain to vote to leave EU. They still did. So it was up to the govt to reverse that. And they are doing it. And they WILL do it. If Theresa May has to pop out a baby and name it Brexit and announce that Brexit just happened, she will do it. You people are too much into democracy. Get out a little, breath some fresh air, and realze the world doesn't run on your votes.

You may have voted to remain in the Common Market, mememe.

hard/soft brexit is a made up concept, carefully designed (like all the other abuse of the English language) to disguise and confuse the masses.

As long as enough of us don't fall for it, and call it out for the BS it is, then the elites won't be allowed to steamroller the democratic will of the people.

The Country voted to stop the European Nurses coming to work in the NHS.
NHS has a shortage of 30,000 nurses. Applications for Nursing from EU countries are down 96%.
But don't worry applications are up from Pakistan and Uganda !

You couldn't make this up

Jack Hacksaw
13 Jun 17 14:24
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You may have voted to remain in the Common Market, mememe.

If we rejoin a common market I'll be all for it.  But not a fookin United States of Europe!!

BTW a common market doesn't mean people strolling over our border ... it's a common market.  A goods trading place - where people sell cabbages, wine, cheese, tomatoes etc etc.
Is it really that hard for people to understand this basic stuff??

mememe,

I think Jack was merely pointing out that you could never have voted to join the Common Market as that was never an option given to the people of the UK.

We were unilaterally taken into the EEC on January 1st 1973 and then given a referendum to remain or leave on June 7th 1975.  The vote was 67% to remain, and so we did.

In my opinion if there had been a vote to join the EEC it would not have been passed...

Spot on Platini. Invented phrases designed to dilute (or stop) our leaving of the EU.

The Left hate UKIP with a passion and yet their obstruction of democracy will see them return bigger than before.

controlling immigration and our borders is an absolute red line. woe betide any party that tries to prevent that

The problem is, mafeking, there's only one party which would carry that out.
I'm afraid we've been shafted royally on this one!

personally I believe they(*) are delaying until the Rapture.
Once the 'EVENT' happens Brexit will be forgotten entirely.
People will be scrambling to explain the rapture and it's
consequences. One world government is on the cards.
universal ID. Full control of the world population.

BREXIT is Bogus, distraction.

For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible

It says so in Handel's "Messiah" so it must be true.

Suggest to betfair a Rapture v Brexit - Which Comes First market?

I keep hearing we didn't vote for a hard or soft Brexit but from what I remember everyone ruled out staying in the single market if we left, and a big theme for the leave campaigners was trading with the rest of the world i.e. 'hard' brexit. If the options put to voters were 'soft' Brexit or remain I think remain would have won.

The Tories are dying to keep us in the EU. Probably more than Labour. Is anybody really surprised?

think you are so right tallywagger,i can see a re-vote come the autumn

All the leading parties want to keep us in the EU, that is certain.

Latest eu democracy.

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https://www.rt.com/news/392080-eu-legal-action-refugees/

peter hitchens was so right when he wrote over a year ago on the subject " you can check out anytime you like but you can never leave" he knows the way of things

can't remember the phrase hard brexit or soft for that matter being mentioned before the referendum. it was just brexit which definitely meant leaving the single market. leading figures from both sides banged on about it time and time again

Oldies with triple locked pensions voting us out of the EU/single market, shiit ain't right yo.

the sarcasm has to be highlighted mr Foinavon. otherwise your statement works for my case.

did you not get the message from the Lodge. The "grand wammee" said it so it must be true.

controlling immigration is not about being racist it's simply that a country has so many resources and if so many hands are out the balance gets messed up and nothing is working right. the nhs is just one symptom of an over populated country that cannot support itself properly financially.

when people protest about stopping immigration it's with good intentions but it probably comes across as racist because people say it like "all these poles coming over here and taking our jobs." well it's actually fair enough that a country should protect its citizens and control the number of people coming in from other countries and taking away from the state which was built up by UK citizens over many years. people come to the uk for money, no other reason. it's not for the weather. there are too many people in this country, end of story.

All these immigrants moving to the U.K. to use our health service while taking our jobs makes you wonder
how they find the time to work and be ill in hospital at the same time..

All these people claiming that only one version of Brexit (effectively hard Brexit) was discussed have incredibly short and selective memories. All sorts of things were mentioned in the lead up to the referendum particularly by the leave campaign and Farage. Included amongst these were that we could be like Switzerland or Norway. People voted for Brexit for a large number of differing reasons.  For many it was never a simple exit from everything. Thankfully, the election result may now lead to some common sense instead of giving in to the bullying of the far right loons.

I don't think anyone voted against mutually beneficial trade arrangements with the EC.

I think the main issues were taking control of our borders/population and a return to sovereignty.

Most leavers don't know what they voted for remember there was no plan just a lot of anti-E.U.
rhetoric.

It's all irrelevant anyway as the E.U. is going to collapse and the the Euro is failing as Farage pointed out,
actually once you are armed with this knowledge the whole process becomes pointless.Take a bow Sir Nige.

We had several years to think about the Brexit vote, it was put off to the last years of their term by the Conservatives. To say that people did not understand what they were voting for is stupid and arrogant.

Do you want to leave your Husband? yes-no
do you want to leave the house? yes no
Do you want to leave the EU? yes-no.

It's simple English.

We joined the common market. We did not sign up to losing all our control to an octopus sitting in the middle of Europe. All our laws being dictated to us. Why vote for MP's if Europe decides what happens.

we wanted to trade with Europe - not to be ruled by Europe.

So the country votes to stop the European Nurses coming to work in the NHS.
NHS has a shortage of 30,000 nurses. Applications for Nursing from EU countries are down 96%.
But don't worry applications are up from Pakistan and Uganda !

You couldn't make this up

It doesn't, Sovereignty remained in our court Brussels didn't adversely affect you, our Government could have stopped thousands
of immigrants but decided not to, it then got blamed on the E.U..

why bring Nurses into it?
they are a minor intake.
it's 330,000 a year.

Why not tug on the heart strings by saying the bus drivers or the fruit pickers?
It's nothing to do with immigration. It's about controlling the UK from outside our borders.

All those madmen that attacked us through the centuries and we bend over to Bankers and politicians in the EU? Control through the hole in the wall(banks).

They folded Greece into a neat square when they restricted the cash withdrawal from the people's bank accounts. 60 euros a day? They strangled it into submission. Do what we say or you get Fked.

Let's wait until they do that to us? They control your bank and mine. They can empty any account and get away with it. It's insidious control.

Zorro is right, have you all forgotten the Cypress bank account "haircut" of 2013?
Here is a link to remind you.
https://www.ft.com/content/4a1bb1d6-9926-11e2-af84-00144feabdc0

The Eurozone is held together with sticking plaster. Deflationary pressures have led to massive youth unemployment with several countries teetering on the edge Greek style.
If we stay in we will end up paying a lot more in the long run as we will be forced into ever closer union, politically, militarily and financially.

*Cyprus

Jun 14, 2017 -- 2:21AM, asparagus wrote:

All these people claiming that only one version of Brexit (effectively hard Brexit) was discussed have incredibly short and selective memories. All sorts of things were mentioned in the lead up to the referendum particularly by the leave campaign and Farage. Included amongst these were that we could be like Switzerland or Norway. People voted for Brexit for a large number of differing reasons.

Ok what did Farage say? this argument has already been destroyed by Andrew Neil. All campaigns said we should leave the single market.If they campaigned for a Norway style deal they would have lost easily.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZNRN8GdctY

It truly is the end times - Fionavon agreeing with God's madman.

Blank, of course Farage and other leave campaigners mentioned the Switzerland and Norway models on plenty of occasions and also suggested they were potential ways to go. Stick to your selective memory if you want.

blank, here you go

https://twitter.com/davidschneider/status/874177941923606528

I agree with every word that you posted at 19.27 yesterday, zorro, but when you morph into, in your words, "God's madman" then I can't possibly agree with you.

PP that's the same stuff from the video I posted which was shown to be deliberately deceptive. The professional remainer who made it had to go back to 2009 to get a clip of Farage saying we should stay in the single market like Norway, before cutting him off before he said as a temporary stop gap before we leave completely.

Lets have a quote from Farage, Gove, Boris, Leadsom, Davis, or any other prominent leaver during the campaign that said we should stay in the single market. Where's the tv debates footage showing the prominent leavers saying they want to stay in the single market and remainers following up with 'so you want to follow all the rules but have no say, you want to continue with freedom of movement and you want to continue to pay £bns every year' You wont find it because it didn't happen.

more soft brexit? cut away

we voted out of the EU ? leave the EU.

Philip Hammond said it clearly on The Andrew Marr show this morning.
We leave the EU
We leave the single market
We leave the customs union.
We negotiate a new deal with the EU.

Certainly some real answers, which i thought would never happen.

I thought he put in a good performance across the range of topics put to him with some clear answers.

I left my local club. Stopped paying the dues.
I didn't mail them in after I left. ??

Let's get free and clear. So we might be without Heineken for a month?
so what. They want to sell their guff and we want to sell our Guff.
a deal will be made.

Ebay is still there order your beer through that.

mememe
13 Jun 17 14:52
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Jack Hacksaw
13 Jun 17 14:24
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You may have voted to remain in the Common Market, mememe.

If we rejoin a common market I'll be all for it.  But not a fookin United States of Europe!!

It won't even be a United States of Europe. The driving force behind this organisation is the Franco-German union. The French in particular hate the so called "Anglo-Saxon" model.
It will be a socialist federation more like a USSR of Europe.

bottom line - one world government. end of parliament.
if 60 percent is worked out in the EU today, next year it'll be 65. then 70.
until you can give up on voting for a MP.

we joined a common market to make trading easier? not to hand over political power.

this is like a crack addict saying he can come off it bit by bit?
we are just gonna rename our jailer?
they rename the EU to the UE. that solves everything.

you can't stop the one world government, I don't know why I even think
about this brexit stuff. It's in the bible. Can't escape it. It's the future.
the Rapture will sort out the priorities. Brexit will be forgotten the day after
all the people vanish. a new way of looking at the world will take over the planet.
lots of panic etc.
The boys at the top of the pyramid are just delaying this till it happens.
They know, they've had two milleniums to get ready.
maybe another general election to get your attention for a few more weeks?
focus on issues that don't matter.

it's like a nut with a gun walked into the sandwich shop and the assistant is asking
if you want pickle on your baguette. the big distraction of brexit.

Phillip Hamond soft Brexit going against Brexit means Brexit.............anyone think he fancies his chances for the top job ?