Martin McGuiness - a thought..

that's what the absurdity of religion does to people

It was religion, but such a lot more.

And, if anyone wants to know why faith schools are a bad idea, they just need to listed to interviews with primary school children in Northern Ireland a few decades ago.

ah. the Catholics in N. Ireland were not treated badly. They were living in one of the most free and prosperous and peaceful and beautiful countries anywhere in the world

Crushed ? all of the above are still about but just no visible hostility on the streets, except in the 'marching season' still simmering underneath if you go looking for it. Drive around belfast east and west to see the polarization between the two communities, Recent election results in the North was nearly a 50/50 split down the middle.

they were living as part of a generation that was more free and more privileged than any that had existed in any country at any time anywhere in the worlds history

you have not got a clue what the Catholics in Northern Ireland went through during the troubles

but if religion had never been "invented" the history of Ireland would be totally different

now this is what this privileged generation of Catholics and protestants enjoyed.
Free education in good schools, free health service, free democracy, free university education, the ability to go to university freely anywhere in Britain and Ireland, the ability to live and work anywhere in Britain and Ireland, a state pension and benefits ...and much more .

thus same generation was one of the luckiest to have been born at any time  or anywhere

Weren't treated badly? Had their language surpressed, put to live in second rate housing slums, political voice were censored from the media for decades, all the best jobs were held by protestants and were passed on from generation to generation.

It's pointless arguing with that barely coherent fool, he has not got 1 clue about what went on in Northern Ireland

really do you think so?, let's take jobs. Now it was the tradition for Protestant boys to go into engineering, perhaps as a legacy of the industrials of Belfast being mainly Protestant
This meant a tradition of Protestant boys leaving school and going to work as apprentices in factories etc.
Their schools were geared to technical subjects
Now catholic schools trained their pupils for the civil service and clerical work and university
now who do you think got the better deal? I don't know

regarding the Irish language , it's only my personal opinion but there are better ways to spend money

Put to live in housing slums? was there no poverty amongst Protestant families. although no poverty in any different way from many parts of England and Scotland

How was their language suppressed exactly what language do they speak in the Irish Republic..I don't know

Tradition ? Thats the whole problem, protestants are still celebrating a victory over the catholics in a war '400' years ago, Time to get real and come into the 21st century.
One mans tradition is another mans racism, if you will

yes, it might be s good idea to forget about the Irish language, perhaps that's part of tradition that is a waste of time and money, but then it might depend on the individual

They might have marches in republican areas that we can look at also, perhaps even in Dublin?

Why forget the Irish language and not Welsh, Scots Gaelic ?

yes, of course sorry I would not want a penny of government money spent on any of those languages

I think the the St Patrick days parade is about as triumphalist as the Irish get, celebration a national holy Saint.

don't talk such tripe

Most Irish republican parades are associated with the '16 rising.

Main one in the North is "Feile an Phobail".

This commemorates gaelic and republican culture,it started off as a protestest of "internment without trial" (check that out lfc)
Also there is a parade in memory of the hunger strikers(check that out lfc)

These are small affairs and certainly not "triumphalism".

yes I remember the hunger strikers, weren't they members of the terrorist group that murdered and bombed , one of whom was Bobby Sands who was duely elected to government by those who claim they couldn't have a democratic vote

now I am not impressed with any community, no matter how many st Patrick days parades they have which elects a murderer and bomber to represent them.

that to me is not a 'small affair'

The people of Northern Ireland have been named in surveys as being the happiest in the UK..probably because they got better things do do than spend their days on this forum.

I think most on the thread have had a fair view and realise it was complex.

You don't seem to realise the IRA only existed in name until Bloody Sunday.

No point in continuing here,you have your views in which you are entitled to.

May i suggest purchasing a copy of Gerry Adams,"Before The Dawn",in order to have a nationalist viewpoint and not a daily mail one.

I think thebaron has said something true

anyone who thinks the IRA didn't exist until Bloody Sunday is not aware of history

were the IRA on the streets on Bloody Sunday ? were they part of the civil rights movement before then, did they sit in the organisation committes of the civil rights  bodies, did they infiltrate them and use them as pawns to further their own agenda? That is the history if you care to look

^"in all but name" that part is important. I'll leave you at it.

Yes yes, a name what's in a name the officials , the provisionals, the real the reality

I would be of the Ghandi non violence persuasion approach to politics, so I would put Martin McGuinnes in the same category as Nelson Mandela who both weren't shy of sticking a bomb under you either but changed their violent approach in pursuit of peace later in life.

Ghandi was another troublemaker.

Wasn't impressed with his tailor.

I just keep thinking of poor old "Lord Mountbatten" did McGuiness sign off on that one ?
"Lord Mountbatten and one of his twin grandsons, Nicholas, 14, and Paul Maxwell, 15, a local employed as a boat boy were killed when a bomb planted by the IRA exploded on their leisure boat in Mullaghmore, County Sligo, Ireland"

Lfc you are spouting p I s h

Lfc is a sectarian bigot

now running you are in danger of getting this thread pulled, that is not what we want.
it is nice to hear differing viewpoints

You are making up story's to suit your own bigoted views

really, where`s that?

Catholics were living in one of the most free and prosperous area .
Lies you really know nothing

that`s what I believe and I have given the evidence to support it.
anyone living in the UK at that time were living in a country and were more privileged and lucky than in any other country before in the history of the world
that is my belief.

Lies again you're inventing the truth

what lies,where are the lies?, you really will have to grow up
no one likes to be greatful.

let me explain, it is not easy to build a successful and peaceful and prosperous and free country, it is difficult
take a look around the world and be grateful

you have a problem with the EDL and not the IRA?

The ira don't exist anymore and yes the e d l are morons

You don't like to answer the question

that's ok, sometimes the question is more important than the answer

Put your lies up cmon lets see it

This thread is going nowhere.

listen I suggest you get your history books out, and burn them
everyone in N. Ireland , catholics and protestants had the vote then
so stop believing the sh1te you were taught

Oh my god how thick are you
You couldn't vote in  NI unless you had a home most Catholics didn't because the unionists controlled the housing it's called gerrymandering
Now that's a fact go look it up

stupid boy, you didn't have to have a home, you merely had to be 18, or 21 whichever it was at the time
everyone could vote, everyone regardless of religion or none, every race and every creed could vote
now stop believing the lies and propaganda and try and think for yourself for once

Most decent job vacancies had no Catholics need apply written at the apply again that's a fact
Look it up

Lies  lies lies you a are the stupid one know nothing ,you even blamed the cost of living yesterday on immigrants

now look at what running believes "most job vacancies had no Catholics need apply" written on the form
That is the level of indoctrination that we see.
this was at a time when jobs were plentiful, wages were rising, peoples living standards, both protestant and catholic were improving at a greater rate than at almost ant time.
there was the freedom to live and work anywhere in UK were jobs were plentiful, and also the freedom to live and work in Ireland

sorry he said most `decent` jobs were for protestants only
it is a mindset like that that will not be changed

Have to go out enjoy yer drink ya mug

I don`t know if he agrees that everyone had the vote in N.Ireland either.
he saw them protesting for civil rights but but didn't notice the IRA members on the board

he has a problem with the EDL having a drink
and not a problem with the IRA bombing and murdering...?
still not answered...
maybe that is a question that will remain nicely unanswered

That is some crowd out lining the street and following the funeral process in Derry

Roll forward 20 / 30 years. The person yesterday, who terrorised London. Say he survived, and say he became a politician, would he be getting the plaudits today, and a nice fecking funeral.

I hope fecking not. I would have hoped he would be rotting away in a prison cell. Or as yesterday, shot dead.

Sorry to offend.

Think Norman Tebbit, said it about right. Just more eloquently than me.

And the current crop of two faced politicians, wishing him well now.

I too am with Norman Tebbit.

Mar 23, 2017 -- 8:49AM, p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y wrote:

That is some crowd out lining the street and following the funeral process in Derry

Not many people get Bill Clinton doing their eulogy

Catholic male unemployment 17.3%
Protestant male unemployment 6.6%

1971 census. (First time statistics were available)

Tebbit did more evil in his political career than McGuinness did in his, of that there is no question.