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Please let the UK vote on Scotland's independence..it would be an overwhelming fck off.
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I haven't been following the news, would it not be a close vote again?
why don't you and your mates move up there so you can have a vote?
Once she gets independence will she stop blaming the nasty englischers??
She does like to use the word hard when referencing brexit
UK had a vote on their future but she didnt like the result so wants another vote.
Build the wall!!
Build the wall!!
Former YES voter signing in to vote a defiant NO this time round.
NAW Nicola, NAW. If you think we get a rough deal now with Westminster, wait till Brussells gets a hold of us
NAW Nicola, NAW. If you think we get a rough deal now with Westminster, wait till Brussells gets a hold of us
former yes voter here as well,, NO NO NO now though,,shouldnt be another vote
I don't quite understand, plat. Brussels had hold of you/us last time you voted.
Trump has a Team of wall Builders ,could be plenty of Work over here for them 
You Nigels aint getting rid of us that easy.
I would say 90% of the people I know, voted YES the last time round.
Every one of them have said they will be voting NO if there's a next time round.
Wee Jimmy Merkhel....just say naw!!
I would say 90% of the people I know, voted YES the last time round.
Every one of them have said they will be voting NO if there's a next time round.
Wee Jimmy Merkhel....just say naw!!
Can Scotland hold a binding IN OUT referendum without the blessing of Westminster? I thought not, but nobody seems to be mentioning anything like that on the news so presumably they can???
Crazy to have given them that power IMO.
Crazy to have given them that power IMO.
Her tactic is to force May to get parliament to say NO they cannot have an independence vote. This gives sturgeon the moral high ground and show how arrogant and nasty the English are. It gives her the great club to bash the english with - you know, 'look how they are holding us back'
She uses words like 'the brick wall of intransigence.
I told 'em that we should have been much nicer to that Wallace chappie. They still resent it!!!!
She uses words like 'the brick wall of intransigence.
I told 'em that we should have been much nicer to that Wallace chappie. They still resent it!!!!
I think Sturgeon is counting on it being a low turnout with so many being referedum weary after indyref1 and Brexit, a low turnout of hardcore nationalists is her only hope, I don't get any sense from Scottish people that this is even that big an issue for them atm anyway.
Wee Nicki even has her own BIOGRAPHER!!! He is being interviewed on sky now.
If Scotland cannot call a referendum without Westminster's approval, why hasn't that fact been mentioned on the news at all?
I do think it was mentioned, but it facts do tend to get lost in presentation by these clowns in the news media.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/13/can-nicola-sturgeon-trigger-secon...
There is a process to be followed - she can't just chuck her toys out of the pram.
Cheers! It's literally just been mentioned on the news now! 
Apparently Westminster has to agree but (according to the very biased Salmond) the British PM wouldn't dare going against the wishes of the Scottish Parliament.
Apparently Westminster has to agree but (according to the very biased Salmond) the British PM wouldn't dare going against the wishes of the Scottish Parliament.
we voted to stay in the uk.
therefore the result was 52-48.
we can't dissemble the vote into regions?
If that was the case... Scotland should
have revolted every time a tory government got
into power. we vote labour and get thatcher?
we vote labour and get John Major?
we vote snp/labour and get Eton Mess.
Nicola FK off. we are part of the UK.
therefore the result was 52-48.
we can't dissemble the vote into regions?
If that was the case... Scotland should
have revolted every time a tory government got
into power. we vote labour and get thatcher?
we vote labour and get John Major?
we vote snp/labour and get Eton Mess.
Nicola FK off. we are part of the UK.
Saddo, the game has changed now. We don't want to be part of the EUSSR/Brussells Caliphate.
Zorro nails it.
The EU ref was not regional. Scotland is part of the UK. Which part of the ballot paper dis the SNP not understand?
General elections are but when a local conservative wass elected and Blair became PM we saw no revolt or call for a repeat election.
Sturgeon is in a corner and fighting hard. She will lose.
The EU ref was not regional. Scotland is part of the UK. Which part of the ballot paper dis the SNP not understand?
General elections are but when a local conservative wass elected and Blair became PM we saw no revolt or call for a repeat election.
Sturgeon is in a corner and fighting hard. She will lose.
So... Scotland votes for a split from the UK. Spain vetos their attempt to join the EU as an independent country. Not part of the EU and not part of the UK... what next??
Another thing... everyone seems to have had a vote about leaving the union. Everyone except the English... where's our referendum on that matter?
What do the Welsh make of all of this, nobody ever asks them anything, never even mentioned.
Is there any call for Welsh independance? or doess the lack of oil make it a no goer?
Is there any call for Welsh independance? or doess the lack of oil make it a no goer?
If Scotland get their independence how long will Sturgeon wait before declaring another referendum just to check its still what Scotland wants ?
Ye right !
So she wants a referendum before we leave the EU, we give her what she wants,she loses then two years later the new leader will ask for another one after we are out, it will never end.
Ye right !
So she wants a referendum before we leave the EU, we give her what she wants,she loses then two years later the new leader will ask for another one after we are out, it will never end.
saddo
I don't quite understand, plat. Brussels had hold of you/us last time you voted.
The relevance is saddo that in one breath #Sturgeon says she wants to take power back from Westminster whilst in the next says she wants to hand it to Brussels.
I don't quite understand, plat. Brussels had hold of you/us last time you voted.
The relevance is saddo that in one breath #Sturgeon says she wants to take power back from Westminster whilst in the next says she wants to hand it to Brussels.
Torquemada
Cheers! It's literally just been mentioned on the news now! Laugh
Apparently Westminster has to agree but (according to the very biased Salmond) the British PM wouldn't dare going against the wishes of the Scottish Parliament.
May has grounds for saying no Torquemada.
When Westminster consented last time an agreement was signed saying that it was a once in a generation referendum and that both Westminster and Holyrood would respect the vote.
However I doubt she'll play that card but tell Sturgeon she will have to wait until the full details of Brexit are known.
Cheers! It's literally just been mentioned on the news now! Laugh
Apparently Westminster has to agree but (according to the very biased Salmond) the British PM wouldn't dare going against the wishes of the Scottish Parliament.
May has grounds for saying no Torquemada.
When Westminster consented last time an agreement was signed saying that it was a once in a generation referendum and that both Westminster and Holyrood would respect the vote.
However I doubt she'll play that card but tell Sturgeon she will have to wait until the full details of Brexit are known.
The EU is and has always been a red herring.
Sturgeon has used it as a means of calling for indyref2.
We have a fiscal deficit of £15B which is about 10% of GDP with the EUs limit for entry at 3.4%
Not impossible to get in but the EU would demand cuts in our expenditure even worse than those imposed on Greece.
That GDP deficit is the worst in the developed world btw.
Sturgeon has used it as a means of calling for indyref2.
We have a fiscal deficit of £15B which is about 10% of GDP with the EUs limit for entry at 3.4%
Not impossible to get in but the EU would demand cuts in our expenditure even worse than those imposed on Greece.
That GDP deficit is the worst in the developed world btw.
Amazing the MSM dont mention any of those points aka.
Sturgeon has a very sympathetic press in Scotland IS.
But I can assure you everything I've posted is the truth.
The figures are from GERS if you want to check them.
But I can assure you everything I've posted is the truth.
The figures are from GERS if you want to check them.
I konw your figures are correct, i was just trying to point out why the MSM are being dishonest with their public.
Sturgeon probably had a case before the arse fell out of north sea fuel, she comes across as extremely think.
Sturgeon probably had a case before the arse fell out of north sea fuel, she comes across as extremely think.
The EU wouldn't demand anything from Scotland as a precursor to its joining because Spain would veto Scotlands application from the get-go. Spain has its own problems with Catalunyan independence demands so is hardly likely to welcome a break away nation, such as Scotland, into the EU. Scottish membership into the EU wont happen... ever. So stop all this bullsh1t talk about it.
@TGV That's why I said it's a red herring.
Scotland has no economic case for independence so that's why Sturgeon looks for other sticks to beat her drum with.
She also has no support within the EU albeit she's tried to say she has.
Scotland has no economic case for independence so that's why Sturgeon looks for other sticks to beat her drum with.
She also has no support within the EU albeit she's tried to say she has.
BTW here was another fairy story that the Scottish press ran with.
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This is a pic of a deal with China.
Inasmuch as one of the signatories was Chinese.
One of the companies involved has a dodgy past but when pointed out to Sturgeon she said she was in the middle of due diligence and nothing was signed.
This was contrary to the company involved who said agreements had been signed.
Needless to say it all ended in tears.
Yet another case of grandstanding from wee Jimmy.
Inasmuch as one of the signatories was Chinese.
One of the companies involved has a dodgy past but when pointed out to Sturgeon she said she was in the middle of due diligence and nothing was signed.
This was contrary to the company involved who said agreements had been signed.
Needless to say it all ended in tears.
Yet another case of grandstanding from wee Jimmy.
An independent Scotland is only a matter of time. Like other nations chained by the empire in the past centuries, every country should have the right to freedom. Winston Churchill urged young men to fight on the continent against Hitler "that small nations might be free", but that obviously didn't include the small countries who were effectively in bondage to England.
However, I see in the actions and attitudes of my children that independence is only a matter of time. Attitudes are changing, and why not? The Scottish people are ruled by a government in England they didn't vote for, presided over by a Prime Minister nobody voted for. To top it all, we will now get a separation from Europe that Scotland steadfastly voted against.
Despite the narrow referendum defeat, the Scots have rejected Westminster and voted SNP at the general and Scottish elections.
Leaving aside the arguments about economics, is that democracy?
However, I see in the actions and attitudes of my children that independence is only a matter of time. Attitudes are changing, and why not? The Scottish people are ruled by a government in England they didn't vote for, presided over by a Prime Minister nobody voted for. To top it all, we will now get a separation from Europe that Scotland steadfastly voted against.
Despite the narrow referendum defeat, the Scots have rejected Westminster and voted SNP at the general and Scottish elections.
Leaving aside the arguments about economics, is that democracy?
that obviously didn't include the small countries who were effectively in bondage to England.
That would appear to say that we haven't had the choice of freedom.
We could have asked for a referendum at any time and did so twice so fail to see your point.
Only 38% of the electorate voted for independence which hardly describes an appetite for it does it.
Leaving aside the arguments about economics, is that democracy?
Is that because there is no economic case?
That would appear to say that we haven't had the choice of freedom.
We could have asked for a referendum at any time and did so twice so fail to see your point.
Only 38% of the electorate voted for independence which hardly describes an appetite for it does it.
Leaving aside the arguments about economics, is that democracy?
Is that because there is no economic case?
We were too interested in beer and bingo to come out and vote in the 70s. That's just the way it was.
It has changed now, whether you, I or anyone else like it. Independence is a matter of time, maybe our generation, but almost certainly the next.
In terms of an economic case, we have a rich history of invention and innovation, a whisky and oil industry that will have to survive ups and downs like any other economies, and a resilient population. If anyone tries to tell me Scottish independence would be some sort of failure, what makes us inferior to numerous other small to medium sized nations throughout Europe or the world?
The times they are a changing, as Bob Dylan said.
"Please get out of the new way if you can't lend your hand."
It has changed now, whether you, I or anyone else like it. Independence is a matter of time, maybe our generation, but almost certainly the next.
In terms of an economic case, we have a rich history of invention and innovation, a whisky and oil industry that will have to survive ups and downs like any other economies, and a resilient population. If anyone tries to tell me Scottish independence would be some sort of failure, what makes us inferior to numerous other small to medium sized nations throughout Europe or the world?
The times they are a changing, as Bob Dylan said.
"Please get out of the new way if you can't lend your hand."
There is no immediate prospect of revival in the oil industry.
However should it come billions will be required in investments to aid it's recovery.
As regards the whisky then that income is already included in our deficit which would be nearly £19B without it.
Not saying it'll never happen but it would be madness to split the union at this time.
However should it come billions will be required in investments to aid it's recovery.
As regards the whisky then that income is already included in our deficit which would be nearly £19B without it.
Not saying it'll never happen but it would be madness to split the union at this time.
It will almost surely happen, and we will all need to find a way to overcome the challenges that may lie ahead.
Goodnight from Cheltenham.
Goodnight from Cheltenham.
Large numbers of the youngsters that want to split now will change their mind as they get older. It's always been the same, people get wiser as they age. I'd raise the voting age personally, the young are too easily swayed.
Torqu 16 and 17 year olds were allowed to vote in the last indyref.
A cynical ploy by the SNP. Will probably keep lowering it til they get the result they want.
A cynical ploy by the SNP. Will probably keep lowering it til they get the result they want.
I know Aka. Most students are lefty and then they wise up as they get older.
Spain.....
Scotland will have to go to the back of the queue.
Scotland will have to go to the back of the queue.
She wants Sterling and for interest rates to be set by the B of E.
That's not independence.
She wants to be run by Brussels.
That's not independence.
If she advocated the Scottish Pound and to break free from the EU then she would have my respect.
That's not independence.
She wants to be run by Brussels.
That's not independence.
If she advocated the Scottish Pound and to break free from the EU then she would have my respect.
How does that work. The scottish pound. It is a pound is it not. It has the same value as the pound?? So I guess you are right and they could not have the scottish pound as it currently is.
Daily Express:
However, a new poll has found that 68 per cent of voters agreed with the statement that “Scotland should continue using the pound, rather than creating a new Scottish currency”.
Only seven per cent of people disagree, with 25 per cent uncertain. Once this group is removed, a whopping 91 per cent of Scots want to keep sterling rather than adopt a Scottish pound.
He added: “This is a mistake Sturgeon obviously does not want to repeat.
“Aside from a currency union, there are four options available to an independent Scotland.
“The first two include a Scottish currency, either pegged or floating.
“The third option is to join the Euro.
“The fourth option is called ‘sterlingisation’.
“The first two have been clearly and comprehensively rejected by Scottish voters.
sterlingisation: A little known nuance within British currency legislation is that for every Scottish banknote in circulation, there s a Bank of England banknote held in the vaults of Scottish banks.
“Sterlingisation means that Scottish banknotes would be withdrawn from circulation and replaced by Bank of England banknotes. It really is as simple as that.''
Clear as mud
However, a new poll has found that 68 per cent of voters agreed with the statement that “Scotland should continue using the pound, rather than creating a new Scottish currency”.
Only seven per cent of people disagree, with 25 per cent uncertain. Once this group is removed, a whopping 91 per cent of Scots want to keep sterling rather than adopt a Scottish pound.
He added: “This is a mistake Sturgeon obviously does not want to repeat.
“Aside from a currency union, there are four options available to an independent Scotland.
“The first two include a Scottish currency, either pegged or floating.
“The third option is to join the Euro.
“The fourth option is called ‘sterlingisation’.
“The first two have been clearly and comprehensively rejected by Scottish voters.
sterlingisation: A little known nuance within British currency legislation is that for every Scottish banknote in circulation, there s a Bank of England banknote held in the vaults of Scottish banks.
“Sterlingisation means that Scottish banknotes would be withdrawn from circulation and replaced by Bank of England banknotes. It really is as simple as that.''
Clear as mud
good news all round, innit ? either scotland votes to go their own way and be totally isolated and bankrupt or they stay in the union and it's the last we ever hear from nicola sturgeon and the SNP banging on about how hard done by they are for 20 or 30 years at least
I don't think she actually wants or expects to get full independence.
Just after extorting yet more money and power from Westminster as a sweetener to stay
Just after extorting yet more money and power from Westminster as a sweetener to stay
The best solution would be May to call her bluff and just let the other countries in the UK vote on whether we should continue looking after Scotland. Then a vote on how much we should bail them out for her crazy spending plans.
That would soon see her ousted from power.
That would soon see her ousted from power.
REMAIN
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FREEEEEDOM
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I will vote YES if they bring in the BASIC INCOME for everyone
That's how you get votes BUY THEM
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FREEEEEDOM
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I will vote YES if they bring in the BASIC INCOME for everyone
That's how you get votes BUY THEM
Salmond talking of being leader for a 3rd time.
Is he expecting failure?
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Is he expecting failure?
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My fav pic of wee Jimmy.
The guy in the background speaking for us all.
The guy in the background speaking for us all.
russia will hack into it all because it will wreck trident if scotland leave.
Results Votes
Yes 1,617,989 44.70%
No 2,001,926 55.30%
Not quite speaking for everyone was he.
Yes 1,617,989 44.70%
No 2,001,926 55.30%
Not quite speaking for everyone was he.
Won't happen this generation, or indeed the next. You can say what you like about the Scottish people but they aren't stupid enough to fall for Sturgeon and Salmon's jingoistic rhetoric. Scottish 'independence' will result in a complete collapse of everything the Scots hold dear within a generation.
Cooperman i doubt the highlands will collapse
We will always have the scenario
TAKE YOUR COUNTRY BACK
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We will always have the scenario
TAKE YOUR COUNTRY BACK
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Torquemada
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Can Scotland hold a binding IN OUT referendum without the blessing of Westminster? I thought not, but nobody seems to be mentioning anything like that on the news so presumably they can???
Crazy to have given them that power IMO
Hmm. The treaty of union is MEANT to be on of two equals, and the Tories keep saying it is. Too many south of the border appear to believe that Scotland is a colony or county. It's not.
Torquemada
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Can Scotland hold a binding IN OUT referendum without the blessing of Westminster? I thought not, but nobody seems to be mentioning anything like that on the news so presumably they can???
Crazy to have given them that power IMO
Hmm. The treaty of union is MEANT to be on of two equals, and the Tories keep saying it is. Too many south of the border appear to believe that Scotland is a colony or county. It's not.
eBetterBettor
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Spain.....
Scotland will have to go to the back of the queue.
Complete drivel done to death by unionists with zero evidence.
1 There is NO queue.
2 There has NEVER been any official suggestion of a Spanish veto.
3 Catalunya will hold an independence referendum in September, albeit against the wishes of Madrid. If the vote is YES, there is the strong possibility that Catalunya will become independent BEFORE Scotland, thereby rendering any thought of a Spanish veto because of the Catalan situation totally REDUNDANT.
4 The constitutional situation in Spain is completely different, as recognised and referenced by many Spanish politicians. Put simply, Catalunya is legally part of Spain. For the Scottish situation to be equivalent, Scotland would have to be part of England. Patently that is not and never has been the case.
If I was T May or any of her supporters/Brexit fans, I'd be more concerned with Spanish attitudes to the future of Gibraltar during Brexit talks. Add a possible Irish unity vote into the mix and you have a growing storm, and before long a hell of a lot of people will be wishing they'd never heard of Brexit.
14 Mar 17 18:37
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Spain.....
Scotland will have to go to the back of the queue.
Complete drivel done to death by unionists with zero evidence.
1 There is NO queue.
2 There has NEVER been any official suggestion of a Spanish veto.
3 Catalunya will hold an independence referendum in September, albeit against the wishes of Madrid. If the vote is YES, there is the strong possibility that Catalunya will become independent BEFORE Scotland, thereby rendering any thought of a Spanish veto because of the Catalan situation totally REDUNDANT.
4 The constitutional situation in Spain is completely different, as recognised and referenced by many Spanish politicians. Put simply, Catalunya is legally part of Spain. For the Scottish situation to be equivalent, Scotland would have to be part of England. Patently that is not and never has been the case.
If I was T May or any of her supporters/Brexit fans, I'd be more concerned with Spanish attitudes to the future of Gibraltar during Brexit talks. Add a possible Irish unity vote into the mix and you have a growing storm, and before long a hell of a lot of people will be wishing they'd never heard of Brexit.
Wee Nicki getting tore to shreds along with her party in Holyrood yesterday by Neil Findlay (Labour)
He doesn't miss the Greens either. Sturgeon lost for words and refuses opportunity to defend her position.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GiwxKquuRY
He doesn't miss the Greens either. Sturgeon lost for words and refuses opportunity to defend her position.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GiwxKquuRY
Alias
2 There has NEVER been any official suggestion of a Spanish veto.
Spains foreign Minister Alfonso Dastis spoke of difficulties in Scotland joining.
2 There has NEVER been any official suggestion of a Spanish veto.
Spains foreign Minister Alfonso Dastis spoke of difficulties in Scotland joining.
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