Polish People and others Leaving

Sick and tired of hearing that people are scared that they'll be forced to move out of the UK.
Never a word from the sympathisers of the UK citizens in Europe.
Obviously an agreement will be made and nobody forced out of any country but peep just love to moan.

Will likely  be replaced by Romanians and Bulgarians.

Aka, it's because in our modern messed up world, being "seen" to suck up to a "minority" is far more important than reasonable political behaviour re our own people.

And don't get me wrong, I vote leave but really want us to treat any EU citizen currently here with total respect, I despise retrospective law.

It'a all about fairness, and playing to the rules of the game when you START the game.

We jsut need to be fair to everyone who came here with good pretences, and enforce that our own folk are equally respected.

I have a few Polish friends here in Perthshire & Fife.

Leaving what?

^ Sorry, that was a direct question to the OP

^^ 'bout time we had a spelling & grammar checker here on chitchat.

IMO

Hopefully agreement on this point will be one of the first made.
But I feel the issue been turned into a political stick to batter Brerxiters with

How does one define a Brexiteer, please?

^ that question is to the left faction.

Shitfer, anx, facts etc.

Please step up to the stage ...

Next door neighbours polish , gr8 people ,gr8 parties , staying putt , just don't mention Germany  as I found last week

My girlfriend is German

When recruiting I interviewed quite a few Polish people.
Those I started never let me down. Here for one thing only - better themselves - and you can't argue with that.

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casemoney

I work with a Polish trucker, Aka.

A better companion would be difficult to find.

These people next to me are still very very bitter , strange , but it takes all sorts

All sorts on ChitChat!

a country that gives away its citizenship too freely is not admired by other countries or the people of other countries,
it is despised.

Mad world

and they are right to despise it.

Don't want to appear racist but Eastern Europeans are not the problem. I work with loads of them, some you couldn't meet nicer people. Polish, Romanian and Latvians, they want to integrate, invite you to their homes. Salt of the earth as we used to say.

I can say the same Paddy. All are hard working and only here to try and better themselves. Their kids are a new generation of Brits that bring a lot to our culture and integrate very well. My only concern (coming from NI) is the most of these countries are Catholic nations and may sway an all Ireland vote.

Nothing wrong with the Poles and most of the immigrants on a personal basis. The problem is uncontrolled immigration and the government somehow thinking it will all work itself out somehow.

Governments have rules on how many cattle can be put on a lorry, but have no such worries about cramming more people into the same schools, hospitals and housing stock.

Value of the pound is a reason.
Also Polish propaganda news stations are conditioning their citizens that the good times in the UK are no more.
They are conditioning their citizens that it is a far more dangerous place post Brexit vote.

The Polish have opportunities back home but they could save up in the UK, not so easy now.
It's the Romanians and Bulgarians that have less opportunities back home, so they are accelerating their migration here.

It is possibly our only card of hard value, 3 million to one million are the rough numbers. If they intend causing us damage it should be waved, even if not used.

what send our country bankrupt by disrupting our economy ?

great card to play

shirley the debate has already happened and we will do a deal that suits all

If their pique has subsided that will be the way to go donny, but we must not be too malleable if they want to go the punishment beating route, (one of Boris's better indiscretions).

imo, .....we should rise above them, it will cost us nowt to give workers already here visas
and then we can replace them on an as required basis should they chose to leave

there will be no shortage of applicants from all over the world if we cant fill vacancies
with home grown talent


i dont hear any clamour in europe to send brits home

Why would they? They only hold a million of ours between 27 of em, this little island has got three times that amount. They will probably be quite keen to leave things as they are.

contruction sites, petrochemical sites etc going rate should be around £20 an hr ,you bet your sweet arse enmployers say they love eastern europeans when there prepared to work for £9,10 an hr,id put the chucking the lot on top of a bonfire

In the construction industry, Eastern Europeans have taken over from the Irish, and are just as hard working and friendly.
They will always be needed during the busy times , so it is ridiculous to say they will be stopped from working here.

dont no what the going rate for a tradesmen in poland is,but lets say its a fiver an hour imagine if a million uk tradesmen went over and said they,d work for £2.50 an hr ,do you think we,d be greeted with open arms,open your eyes

mad ,mad moon if there that chucking hardworking pay,em the going rate and not minimum wage for tradesmen which is happening

tories wont vote to raise wages

One thing I have always found about the Polish, they are grafters. In Spain and in London they want to work. I've never had a bad experience with them, they have done lots of work for me, bricklaying, roofing etc.

we don`t want to know that as it is completely meaningless

we know they are hard working, that is why they have made such a success of Poland, and are only over here to pass the time

anyone just watched fake britan on bbc,albanian,eastern europeans caught selling 1000,s of cscs,safety passports the tkts needed to get on construction,chemical,civil sites in the uk,tkts the uk worker has to pay to get on a course to get
they should do a programme on the fake boss,s,agents who think these easter europeans who no zilch about safety ,cant speak,write,or read english pass these courses legitamately,of course they no they dont but for £9 an hr who,s asking or cares

Agreed Slippy. Over here to work hard and earn. simple.

Ovalman.
     26 Feb 17 08:13   
I can say the same Paddy. All are hard working and only here to try and better themselves. Their kids are a new generation of Brits that bring a lot to our culture and integrate very well. My only concern (coming from NI) is the most of these countries are Catholic nations and may sway an all Ireland vote. 
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Would that be such a bad thing?? Ok, as an outsider it would seem to me that the Republic is one of the more progressive and liberal economies / cultures in Europe. No offence, but certainly less tied to any doctrines than N.Ireland seems to be? How things have changed - as a relatively frequent (and impressed) visitor its one of the most "irreligious" countries I know.

Economically - in the long term it would seem to me an all Ireland economic "unit" makes sense (its practically there anyway). Emotionally perhaps not an option for you, but on every other level would seem to make sense?

British Government won't give up N. Ireland, just like Gibraltar or Falkland Islands. Northern Ireland too strategic for security reasons to the western side of the British mainland.
Gibraltar is a stragetic enclave at the entrance into the Mediterranean Sea.
Falklands are a strategic base to access expoloration in Antartica and give claim to waters in south Atlantic and well placed to monitor movement around Cape Horn.
All irrelevant now with long range intercontinental ballistic missiles I hear you say.
Maybe so but still won't be given up.

It's simple Ireland can't exist economically without England. The Irish Free State would have collapsed within ten years if it hadn't had the luxury of free access to live and work in England over the last 100years.
Now Scotland will try the same approach but they cannot expect to vote for independence and rely on keeping the rights and benefits of British citizens to live and work in the UK.

Wallflower and his fellow republicans and SNP voters will not be honest on this very issue .

...... and the western hemisphere threats NI is buffering us against are exactly who? Besides 50-100 miles isn't going to make much difference to a real threat.

....its a spurious point. imo we effectively gave up long term control of NI when we agreed its up to them and if a majority there wished to be in the Republic then that's fine with us.

lfc, be quiet - answer to your upcoming question is YES, YES , YES.  Go away

It's only fine if they vote for independence, realising that that means if you are from N Ireland you will no longer have the automatic rights of British citizens to live and work in England .
There can be no vote unless that is made clear .

we effectively gave up long term control of NI when we agreed its up to them and if a majority there wished to be in the Republic then that's fine with us

Wouldn't the republic have a say on the matter?

No access to work and the national health service or universities or to live in any part of the UK, as they now do.

NI is buffering us against are exactly who?
Pesky Russian nuclear missile carrying submarines going up and down the Irish Sea maybe ?
NI also has large territorial water claims too.

And that should be on the ballet paper, we don't want them claiming they didn't understand what independence means.

lfc - for the 55th time (at least), yes understood - put it on the ballot.

You are arguing with yourself on a point nobody gives a flying f*ck about. That's was at me for even engaging with your withering irrelevancies

Have you seen the recent polls on a united Ireland WF?

So you agree wallflower that there can be no Scottish referendum unless this is made clear on the ballot , very good that is all I ask, honesty something republicans have not been able to manage on this issue..
Let's see, I don't know.

lfc,

YES
YES
YES
YES
YES
YES
YES

and when you ask the same question every week between now and whenever

YES
YES
YES
YES
YES
YES
YES


....I'm really struggling to be any clearer

: )

If won't happen, you know that and I know that.

akabula,

nope - don't confess to be an expert in NI politics but it would seem to me it will inevitably slide to pro-United Ireland. Could be wrong but as a student of history its always easy to be wise after the event - then point to momentum. It isn't going any other way as far as I can see - a poll in Feb 2017 isn't going to change long term trends and demographics

lfc, second referendum will happen (certainty) - don't think it will be successful

no I didn't mean there won't be a second ref, I meant they will not put anything of that nature on the ballot, the SNP won't allow it because they want to keep that as muddled as possible. It will not be in the ballot and it will not be mentioned in any part of Scotland and England

Do we know how difficult it is to build a country ? I don't know how it's possible.
take a look around the world .

WF you know that won't be part of any ballot paper.
Wee nicki and her cohorts will want the best of both worlds.
Independence but with a hand held firmly by the UK.
Without the same conditions as the ROI were given Scotland won't survive 3 years.

Indyref2 possess a conflict of interest if the same type of people are allowed to vote in it again.

Poles, East Europeans etc. were NOT allowed to vote to 'remain' in the last EU referendum back in 2016.

So what makes you think that the same people would be allowed to vote for 'rejoin to e.u. or STOP Brexit' under the mandate of wee nicky's indyref2?


Also, I reckon 16/17 won't get the chance to vote again either....making a 'YES' vote a near on impossability