GOD and the ignorance of the Snarky Atheists.

2 seconds before the bus hits me, I'll convert just to hedge my bets. No point wasting my life on an imaginary being, besides what if I choose the wrong god?

Well as a snarky agnostic then this doesn't apply to me.

You got a bee in your bonnet about gays now zorro? Is that because we all know how this one ends?
The church might have held firm for now about gay marriage but we all know that you can't say no to gayers and that will mean the faith will have to be reinterpreted yet again to fit into the contemporary zeitgeist as it has through time.
People think that religion not fitting into people's lives of the day is the thing that alienates it and so dismiss it, but I take the opposite view, I say each time they've had to stop and reinterpret something when knowledge has moved the boundaries, or when they've bowed to popularism they have actually undermined the whole concept.

It's funny because I look around me and at things in general and wonder.
I joined NOW TV the other week and there are literally hundreds of films available, I went through the whole list one afternoon and added films to a wish list for easy access later. This isn't a scientific evaluation but on general perusal of the film synopsis for each title I'd say there were possibly three in total that could be said to have had some relevance to religion for the good.
Risen- a film about a Roman centurion on a mission to find the dead Jesus (which apparently must be a hiding to nothing as they knew where he was when dead, and he didn't remain dead nor hang around alive....)
Biblical stories- what look like titbits from the Old Testament.
The young messiah - this looks like a story of Jesus as a child

All the rest are made up, some of mushy nonsense granted or lame drama but the vast majority, (multiple hundreds) are films of gangsters, violence, rape, drugs, crime, horror, thrillers, killers, chillers, devil possession, devil worship, hauntings, super heros, cheating, lying, stealing, corruption.......(I think you get where this is going)

So what I wonder is what the likes of those religious firstly consume, and secondly whether they see all this as an act of evil itself, where the vast majority of the daily offerings are insidious.....or infact whether they are simply meeting a demand and that people prefer this stuff over the spiritualism.....or perhaps it's simply that life isn't actually what the pious think it is.
The vast majority would cut your throat to save themselves, would try and take what you have so they could have more we see this both at personal and state level where liars are everywhere and manipulate the masses into being what they want you to be.

I've watched several superhero films, loads of gangster violent ones and non of the semi religious ones....so perhaps salmon spray was correct about his evaluation of Calvin.....that we can't shape our destiny. If something doesn't appeal you can't force it to....

you managed to miss the point entirely there. DUSTYBIN.

People lift the bible look up leviticus and read one line and say God's got it in for the Gays. But there are 600 plus other "don'ts" in those pages.

watch the five minute cartoon you twit.it's been made for people with a small attention span... people who watch a lot of films on NOW TV appreciate the production value of it.

I also mentioned Tattooed people are they an okay mark to hit? I worked alongside gay people for twelve years. They were very good to me. Treated me with respect. I've nothing against any gay people. If you are tattooing yourself you are opening up the chance of infection. If you eat pork in the desert you'll get parasites. If you have anal sex is this a natural thing to do? God suggests these are harmful practices and part of the corruption of creation. But any sin that is harboured and by anyone whether straight or gay needs to be addressed. I would imagine hemorrhoids to be a warning sign of an unnatural act. If a man wants to love another man it's fine if he believes in Christ. Because all is forgiven if he really loves God. God doesn't force himself on anyone. That would be rape.
You think God should exercise his full power because that's what you would do. Straddle the earth 5 miles tall and make himself known. If that was to happen everyone would kneel and do as he said. He doesn't want forced obedience. He wants us to know the difference between good and evil. He wants us to know it has consequences.
Because he's going to give us immortality and an incorruptible body. We have to have the wisdom to use that. Sad sacks will just abuse the privilege. so he's weeding them out.

you can't read the book without the encryption program. you don't even know how to get it? sad sacks.

Fk off God

P.S what is an oiketrion??

'He doesn't want forced obedience'

What a pile.
Then don't rig the game so that once he's created us and we can't find him through being sensible in life he hands us over to the malevolent spirit that he created in the first place.
If we know where he is and need something to validate it then we could love him, but he's not done us any favours imposing wrong on us by default even before we are born.

The gay reference was down to the topical subject right now of gay marriage and the church.
We both know the church will accept them eventually, after all the bible scholars of the past said no....just like ordained females, they can't help but attempt to sweaten the nut to spread their doctrine that they can't even validate.

I thought they just glowed !

i mentioned the gay thing - because it's common misconception of the bible. That somehow the bible is gay bashing. a few lines and it's all about the gays?
In the same passage it lists a few dozen other things.
NO - it's about God's holiness and Sin.
"The Bible teaches that God is opposed to sin and evil, that he is holy and righteous.  We know that eventually he will quarantine evil from good when he creates the New Heaven and Earth (Rev. 21).  At that time, God will physically separate those who love him from those who don’t.  Those who love him will no longer be in the presence of sin from that point forward. Until then, God tolerates the presence of sin in order to accomplish his purposes with mankind.  Thank goodness, because if God truly could not be in the presence of sin, none of us would be here!" extract from a brainwashed man somewhere in the internet. He needs your money - send it to him now.

sad sacks. say I don't want heaven. why not sad sacks? coz it's free. If they charged me a few thousand I might buy it.

No, what the belief in Christianity says is essentially that you are given unproven data that you dont know the source and can be interpreted however is deemed fit to justify a cause, and that each individual by default is damned, and if they do nothing or dont do as the creator chooses or cant interpret it the way those who interpreted it in a manner that has been changed or added to over the years then you are damned...by the very malevolence of the creation of god and to suffer terribly.

Hobson's choice, since the creator created your doom.
The silver tray will be passed around at the end, give accordingly.

You just know zorro will be beavering away shaping a turd into anything he wants it to be.....

It's a miracle when a child is cured from cancer by praying to a god yet it was the same god that gave the child the cancer in the first place. I just don't get it.

God is in the mind, we can all imagine a divine connection if we try hard enough and become emotional about it.
We can then act in a manner in accord to what we believe are acts that support the belief.
Its creating something out of nothing.
Its essentially a fetish. Something that has derived substance that is greater than the sum of the parts and is only significant to the individual.

Daid Attenborough twenty years ago - 
“Are you telling me that the God you believe in, who you ... allows a worm that can live in no other way than in an innocent child's eyeball?

David Attenborough last year -

Very vocally agnostic . Non believer in a jewish/christian god in the past.  but says to put your hand into gods hand? in front of Queen and Prince Phillip.

"Truly if you put your hand into the hand of God that shall be to you better than light and safer than a known way."

OVALMAN are you sucking his milk or what?

the 6000 years is up - the lease goes back to God. You ask where is he? You'll all meet him and you don't get a defence lawyer.
There is no democracy - he's the boss.
you really are sad sacks. You have no imagination.
a two thousand year old book which has the greatest plot of any book in existence. one chapter about creation and the rest of it is about redeeming creation.
You idiots pull out one line at a time and want explanations per line. Some idiot even put in numbers to find passages easily? Your all pedantic sad sacks.

The bridegroom will come for his bride, the faithful, the light of the world will depart and you sad sacks will be introduced to Satan. You could avoid this, but you are LOSERS. That's what gambling is about losing. Not winning. You have an opportunity to win everything, but you are quibbling about chocolate tea pots and spaghetti monsters - total sad sacks. I'm not angry - i'm laughing at you, because you are trying to measure God.
a trillion stars per human being and you think your opinion about God matters?

Yeah we get it zorro, you have lived a life in fear based on what you have been told.

I sometimes think of how daft things are....how the secular saved the jews, not god.
Then were told that they were the chosen ones and those who sacrificed for thier good were for the devil.

You talk in riddles Zorro. No reasoned arguments, just one blinkered view.

The first gods were heavenly bodies, the days of the week are named after them. The god you choose is a fabricated story of some truths and hearsay, written and compiled many years after the event.

Have you ever asked yourself, have you chosen the right god to worship? What if you've chosen the wrong sect of that one god. Remember, if you pick wrong you'll end up in hell just like me.

the gods you mention are Greek and Norse. Two thousand years after the Jewish god.
this is the year 5,777 in the Jewish calendar(https://www.hebcal.com/hebcal/?year=2017&v=1&month=x&yt=G&nx=on&o=on&vis=on&d=on&c=off&maj=on&min=on&mod=on)

the bible talks about angels falling to earth and mating with earthly women, All their offspring were called the mighty men. Gods. Angels and demi gods in the Greek tradition.
(book of Genesis, if you can be bothered)

the only other religion as old as the hebrew religion is the Hindu religion. It's basically evolution repackaged. Nature as God.

I will say this.

Jesus' message is an interesting, and perhaps unique one. From from elevating us to the status of the children of a God, it is closer to painting us as animals, and most importantly that we should recognise it, resign ourselves to it and make allowances for our animal nature.

It can be viewed in another interesting light if you consider that Jesus was interested in the welfare of our species, not of the individual, and that heaven and hell are merely possible outcomes for our descendants, depending on how we behave and what we prioritise.

*Far from elevating

Humans go back at least 100,000 years, are you saying zorro non worshiped anything until 6000 years ago?

it's a nice critique of Jesus. I'm sure he will appreciate it.

JUDGEMENT falls on the unbeliever.

You might be a saint, but most probably you are a sinner.
Jesus did not come to impart wisdom to anyone. He was the lamb of God.
He is God. Not a sage. Not a holy man. not a guru. or a guy selling religion for a buck.

He is the redeemer. You want to be redeemed? or you don't?

the trash bucket is waiting for the don'ts. sad sacks who are in love with themselves.

It is a curious thing that the evangelical wonder at god's great creation and yet cannot wait until he comes and destroys it all.

pray tell me o wise DUSTYBIN when did recorded history start?

of what weather, politics or corrie?

He isn't destroying creation - he's redeeming it - He comes after 6000 years. He reigns for 1000 years on the throne of David. He then creates a new heaven and a new earth for those who don't have sins they want to hang on to.
The messiah's job is to end all sin. That's why Judas and the Jews gave him to the Romans. Because they didn't realize it's a two parter. He refused to take on the Romans.
He imparts grace for two thousand years which means Billions are saved. If he just showed up at the end of 6000 years nobody would be saved.

a seven thousand year cycle. Like creation.

it's lucky he has a thing for nice round numbers in base 10 relating to the amount of time it takes for our rock to go round our fireball.

sure makes it easy for us to remember.

How do we date things from history Zorro?

This isn't a strong point of mine BTW but I'm sure I know more than you.

do you guys really think that a bunch of Jews constructed a book as complicated as the bible to influence future generations? when most people were illiterate?
on old scrolls? Not a codex(book format). That the authors that were separated by time over the course of 1500 years bothered to weave an integrated message about redemption just for the fun of it. Weaving weird gamatria number patterns throughout the book? giving mad predictions of the end times which involve a reformed nation called 'Israel' all for fun and games. The book survives thousands of years and Israel is a nation again. Jerusalem the no man's land was handed back to them in a war fifty years ago. The Arabs could have let them be and they would only have half the land they have at present. But the book said Jerusalem would be a no man's land anymore. The San Hedrin is back in the land after 1,946 years. They can now determine the feast of trumpets. The day Jesus returns.

sad sacks your time is over.

Ovalman please elucidate more - your comment was very oblique.

lol says the person that posts C/P and riddles.

You say man is 6,000 years old but I know thanks to science Hom0 Sapiens is at least 100,000 years old.

Do you know how things are dated in science? Do you know about carbon dating and how long it is accurate for? Do you believe the results?

just don't Ovalman.

trust me, don't.

when you submit a carbon dating sample - they ask you how old the sample is?
that's a loaded question.
Carbon 14 has a half life of 5,730 years. therefore unreliable in dating anything beyond 11,000 years.
Carbon dating has only been around since the seventies.
Many experts struggle with it's patchy results - many errors have been spotted hence their request to submit a time frame when you hand in a sample.

Carbon 14 exists on a planet that's billions of years old? eh.... how - it has a half life of 5,730 years.

(incidentally, C&P from risible youtube videos or creationist websites, followed by changing the subject finished with wishy-washy and confused epistemology smattered with some gloating at your impending incineration is the standard template)

Zorro thinks mankind (if not the Earth) is 6,000 years old (Bishop Usher knows)

I'm asking him if he knows how science dates things. He clearly knows it is only accurate to 11,000 years although it can be used for much longer but doesn't that 11,000years prove something? ie mankind has been around 5,000 years more than he kids himself?

You pick and choose Zorro, that's not how science works.

The historical perspective on the development of radiocarbon dating is well outlined in Taylor's (1987) book "Radiocarbon Dating: An archaeological perspective". Libby and his team intially tested the radiocarbon method on samples from prehistoric Egypt. They chose samples whose age could be independently determined. A sample of acacia wood from the tomb of the pharoah Zoser (or Djoser; 3rd Dynasty, ca. 2700-2600 BC) was obtained and dated. Libby reasoned that since the half-life of C14 was 5568 years, they should obtain a C14 concentration of about 50% that which was found in living wood (see Libby, 1949 for further details). The results they obtained indicated this was the case. Other analyses were conducted on samples of known age wood (dendrochronologically aged). Again, the fit was within the value predicted at �10%. The tests suggested that the half-life they had measured was accurate, and, quite reasonably, suggested further that atmospheric radiocarbon concentration had remained constant throughout the recent past. In 1949, Arnold and Libby (1949) published their paper "Age determinations by radiocarbon content: Checks with samples of known age" in the journal Science. In this paper they presented the first results of the C14 method, including the "Curve of Knowns" in which radiocarbon dates were compared with the known age historical dates (see figure 1). All of the points fitted within statistical range. Within a few years, other laboratories had been built. By the early 1950's there were 8, and by the end of the decade there were more than 20.

In the 1950s, further measurements on Mediterranean samples, in particular those from Egypt whose age was known through other means, pointed to radiocarbon dates which were younger than expected. The debate regarding this is outlined extensively in Renfrew (1972). Briefly, opinion was divided between those who thought the radiocarbon dates were correct (ie, that radiocarbon years equated more or less to solar or calendar years) and those who felt they were flawed and the historical data was more accurate. In the late 1950's and early 1960's, researchers measuring the radioactivity of known age tree rings found fluctuations in C14 concentration up to a maximum of �5% over the last 1500 years. In addition to long term fluctuations, smaller 'wiggles' were identified by the Dutch scholar Hessel de Vries (1958). This suggested there were temporal fluctuations in C14 concentration which would neccessitate the calibration of radiocarbon dates to other historically aged material. Radiocarbon dates of sequential dendrochronologically aged trees primarily of US bristlecone pine and German and Irish oak have been measured over the past 10 years to produce a calendrical / radiocarbon calibration curve which now extends back over 10 000 years (more on Calibration). This enables radiocarbon dates to be calibrated to solar or calendar dates.

Please quote your sources when you copy and paste. I asked you this before.

I find it hard to distinguish what is yours and what is a C/P.

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I'm not entirely sure zorro understands the principles radioactive decay.

But that's not a problem when you can find something on a new earth website that tells you it's all wrong. You don't need to understand it then. You can just let someone tell you it's wrong. And because it fits with other stuff you belief, it's unchallengeable.

I wonder if there's anything on your websites you can copy and paste about the problems with Uranium-Lead dating?

if you are really scientific you'd choose a dating method with an isotope with a longer decay rate. Which some laboratories do use.

Carbon dating is flakey.

but anyway all this dating crap is moot?

why?

because the speed of light is not a constant chaps.
Using light to date the universe is a mistake.

Did you notice the universe's age going up steadily over the last fifty years - it's a good guessing game, based on light being a constant.

I'd love a c/p link to see the proof that the Speed of Light is not constant. Astronomy is a specialty of mine.

http://www.livescience.com/29111-speed-of-light-not-constant.html

gee they admit light might not be a constant - after another fifty years they'll own up and say they know nothing?

it only took 100 years to accept that oxygen existed. some wanted to hold onto phlogiston as it was their bread and butter.

Measurements over the centuries of light speed has shown a decrease in average speed. even when accounting for inaccuracy the speed has always been decreasing in the inaccuracy.

Nobel Prize on it's way...

Oh wait, Michelson/ Moorly experiment?

If you are correct, has it decreased much in 6000 years to make a difference?

What age is the Earth Zorro? No copy and pastes, just your own beliefs.

As an astronomer how do you reconsile the angular momentum of the solar system to the bodies within our solar system. The sun having 99.86 percent of the mass and only 1.9 percent of the angular momentum. The other planets having 98.1 percent.
that some planets within the solar system have moons rotating in the opposite direction of every other planet in our system.

That the outer planets are larger than the inner planets?

That some planets have the same spin axis' earth and mars at 23.5 degrees?

no viable theory for the solar system's origin? mathematically.

The Canadian mathematician, Alan Montgomery, has reported a computer analysis supporting the Setterfield/Norman results. His model indicates that the decay of velocity of light closely follows a cosecant-squared curve, and has been asymptotic since 1958. If he is correct, the speed of light was 10-30% faster in the time of Christ; twice as fast in the days of Solomon; four times as fast in the days of Abraham, and perhaps more than 10 million times faster prior to 3000 B.C.

c/p

2nd point first as it's bull.

Don't you think this would be measurable? Sat Nav depends on the speed of light to be constant, don't you think that a measurable difference over the years would matter? You'll get a Nobel for your answer.

1st point. We know next to nothing on how Solar Systems develop. It's 20 years since we found the first Solar System beyond our Earth but the great thing is we're nothing special. We've discovered the big planets next to stars first because they are the easiest to discover. We're 20 years into discovering Solar Systems, ask me this question in 20 years time and I may have an answer.

We can question science but you don't seem to question your book.

That'll be Alan Montgomery, the actuary who happens to have a degree in Maths, who appears on videos for Genesis Week. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U61luYB12sQ)

between 1928 and 1945 the speed of light dropped by 20km per sec.
patent office library London.
all over the world. not just one point, many measurements.

intellectual phase locking was blamed.

they fixed the speed of light by definition and everything is measured against the speed of light being a constant.

all the constants are being re-examined. Metrology is in flux.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2011/11/fundamental-constants-are-not-constant-or-maybe-they-are-we-dont-know-really/

oops

away to buy a loaf - try and do some research into the universe lads.

Zorro.

May I suggest the Lord takes care of Himself & isn't bother about other coming in His name?

ovalman, my deary.

Is it normal for Jupiter to stay in RETROGRADE motion as seen from our viewpoint for ten months at a time. Staying within Virgo? Nov 17th 2016 to September 23rd 2017.
you is the asstronomer royal you should know?
use yer spy glass..

You bulled this before:

Jupiter is in retrograde for 3 months.

not a very good asstromo are you. You can download an astronomy program.
I'd imagine you already have one, if your hobby is serious.

look it up cheeko.

do you just believe the beardie guy with the bald head and the druid costume in the closet or do you believe National Geographic magazine which has been going like forever?

Do you know what retrograde is?

Has it any significance?

DStyle it's really not fair when you get involved in this

I wouldn't say, "Snarky" Zorro.

To each their own, imo.

Jesus is big enough to look after Himself without your or my intervention ... unlike that Muhumad poof.

Why do Christians always think they are the special Christians who are living in the end times , unlike all the Christians from centuries before who were wrong about that...

Only Wayis essex

the christians know when the end times are because it lays it out in the book of Daniel and Revelation.
Sir Isaac Newton wrote a million words discourse on those two books of the bible.
now available online.
Sir Isaac Newton said in his writings - IT IS THE DUTY of every christian to investigate these books because the Jews were blind to the nature of Jesus' coming even though Daniel, Isaiah and all the other prophets pointed to his coming. That their behaviour put a curse of blindness upon them because they did not have the faith to accept him as the Messiah. So the dogs(gentiles) got the blessing instead of them.

Jonathan Edwards(founder of Princeton, evangelist) in 1739 gave a sermon indicating the tribulation starting in September 2016. He worked this out by calculating the jubilee years.
One indicator is that only a single generation from the time of Israel's foundation would indicate the return of Christ.
It's 70 years - this year in 2017. the jewish religious year starts in September 2016, the feast of Trumpets. It ends in September 21st 2017.

from the declaration going forth...
"The majority report of UNSCOP proposed "an independent Arab State, an independent Jewish State, and the City of Jerusalem" ..., the last to be under "an International Trusteeship System".On 29 November 1947, in Resolution 181 (II), the General Assembly adopted the majority report of UNSCOP, but with slight modifications. The Plan also called for the British to allow "substantial" Jewish migration by 1 February 1948." wiki

Jupiter is staying in Virgo from Nov 17 to Sept 23rd - ten months - the longest gestation period for a child in the womb. Jupiter is called the king planet.

The revelation 12 sign is in play above, in the skies right now. The moon will be at her feet. The sun will clothe her. She'll have twelve stars round her head. All this happens in September.

When Jupiter entered in Nov I7th - the edge hitting the perimeter of the womb area - there was a celestial sign. A supermoon last seen in 1948.

In June of 2016 a strawberry moon made an appearance, last seen in 1967 and 1948. Nice years for Israel.

blooddy coincidence - eh?

Jupiter leaves Virgo when? Sept 23rd - the feast of trumpets - the end of the year 5777 and the beginning of 5778. The end of GRACE. grace is completed.

5 means grace
7 means completion. - triple completion.
8 means a new beginning.

this star sign was last seem six thousand years ago - using computer astronomy programs you can back track the stars using mathematical modelling.

what side of the fence do you sad sacks want to be on... the one with God or the one with Satan.
You can call good evil all you want. But bad is bad. Satan isn't interested in giving you good ipod tune playlists. He's not your friend he's man's adversary.
Lucifer is on the FOX chanel - try and catch the propaganda.
he's a misunderstood Daddy's boy who is helping mankind by solving Crime in LA la land.
they ridicule the bible in every way possible to catch the little fishies with the lies.

Dark matter and dark energy make up 96 percent of the universe? are you buying that? Black holes and massive amounts of gravity is needed?
All matter is accounted for in the electro magnetic universe theory. There is no missing matter. they are keeping you in the 'DARK'.

Why do Christians always think they are the special Christians who are living in the end times , unlike all the Christians from centuries before who were wrong about that..

Because they think they are the special ones. They have the found the key, just say the magic formula, don't walk on cracks in the pavement, Yabbadabbadoo, Salvation, eternal life. Pity the snarky sad sacks who won't believe their book of fairy tales to be the truth, try and save them from the fiery pit. Some might see this as arrogant, deluded, they see it as humility. Strange.

the truth exists - somewhere. Not all alternatives can be true.
either science is right? and you are all animals.
either Christ is God.
either the myriad amount of superhero Gods are real?
or something else,

truth exists.

we'll find out soon. because the bible says one generation in israel, and plop it's over.

we can tick off one dud theory or you are in the manure because you chose badly like the guy at the end of indiana jones 3.