Democrats united against Democracy

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37934461

You've beat me to it Clouseau.

The irony is extraordinary. 'Not My President'. Err, yes he is...

'We reject the President Elect'. So they reject the democratic will of the people.

Liberal fascists who attacked the police (not included in this video) who replied with tear gas. What other things can we reject I wonder?

#Leicesterweren'tmyteamsotheycan'tbechampions

The liberal mask has slipped. Half this country patiently waited years for a vote on brexit despite being unhappy. Good job they didn't behave like this mob.

Violence has broken out at anti-Trump rallies across America overnight as tens of thousands marched against the President-elect before angry mobs attacked police, started fires and shut down highways.

The streets of downtown Oakland in California were choked with smoke Thursday as police launched tear gas and protesters lit fires, in what became by some distance the most violent of the many protests against the election of Donald Trump.

More than 6,000 protesters were seen on the streets of Oakland with an initially peaceful march down a cop-lined street turning nasty after some protesters threw bottles at officers and torched a police car. An office block was also attacked, daubed with 'f*** Trump' and 'kill Trump' graffiti and then set alight.

And thousands more filled streets in Los Angeles before taking over the 110 Freeway while other protesters gathered outside City Hall, lighting fires and waving Trump heads on sticks. There were 14 arrests.

- Daily Mail

Gotta watch these Progressives..

They're only exercising their democratic right to protest innit!

bonny greer will only come out and say  'I told you he would cause trouble'

Lots of people today only accept Democracy when it agrees with them

it is odd that some bring up that the voting system is wrong

but only when they don't get the result they want

uk or USA

Well mobo in the US not all votes are equal as another. The electoral college system is a broken one. Just like in the UK FPTP is also a poor system.

agreed

We know the system is wrong but when one candidate was going to walk it then its strange to cry wolf afterwards.

Amazing...we champion our wonderful Democratic system in the West.

Because the Media and celebrities don't like Trump, suddenly we decide it is no good

The Media and celebrities should be ashamed of themselves.

We get all get one vote in a system which is decided by millions of votes, it means at times we not be ruled by the person or party

we voted for, it is decided by majority, live with it!

I think Trump is the best man for the job.

There have been riots in the United States for the last few years, because of black/white issues.

It seems to be the way people want things out there now.

In the UK we voted not so long ago to keep the voting system that we have now.

If it hadn't been for the incompetent Nick Clegg leading the cause, we might have got things changed for the better.

I agree Dr Crippen, I voted for proportional representation myself, unfortunately the majority did not.

How can a system that throws nearly 4 million votes down the drain be called democratic?

I agree, but the argument was made and lost in this country.

It traps us in two party rule.

Not surprisingly the two main parties canvassed this at the time.

IS, I agree it is pointless protesting. I would not have voted for him had I been able to, but I wouldn't protest the result either. Personally I think Gore in 2000 had far more grievances. I would set about trying to change the electoral college system to a system where every vote cast has the same impact on the result.

I think a lot of the increased extremism and violence in this World has been caused by the Credit Crunch myself.

After the Wall Street crash of 1929 Europe became very fascist because of World depression, inadvertently I think it

contributed(not the main cause) to WWII.

I hope the same thing is not happening again, we are retreating to the extremes.

Completely off subject, but I thought I would throw that in, only my own opinion.

extremism has been on the rise long before the credit crunch you just need look at the g20
protests wherever it was held

increased coverage brings increased repeats elsewhere by others

two wrongs dont make a right, and raging at others aint going to help ease it

we are not trapped in a two party system either

if we were we would have tories v whiggs

snp have shown it still can be done as will ukip
if brexit is botched or butchered

I reckon much of the extremism has developed from a feeling of remoteness as big government became more aloof and talk through the media instead of at local levels which themselves have become metropolitan authorities instead of parish councils,etc. People just do not like big corporations fixing the agenda in their favour,avoiding taxes and buying influence at EU or Whitehall levels. Small businesses have suffered due to excessive regulation which helps big companies who have the resources to comply as the doors get shut to competition.Thats part of the appeal for Farage and,ironically Trump.

donny osmund

we are trapped in a 2 party system

it used to be Tory v Wig

Wig became the Liberal party, they were replaced by Labour as the the main opposition party

Do you believe a 3rd party can break this, I don't

SNP are a Scottish Nationalist party, it is not e same thing

SNP are not going to be elected to Westminster

the labour party managed to break it !!!

they replaced liberal as main opposition party

yeah so they broke the two party system that existed


in the election before last we had a coalition government with labour the second largest
party at the time out of government

not sure how that suggests we are stuck in a two party system that cannot be broken

Just look back to the 1930s whenever you have economic depressions you have people running to the extreme left or right or populism

The Tories needed the few liberal places to form government

It was not a coalition of equals 306 and 57

hitler had his scapegoats and process is being shamelessly repeated
by folk who should know better

If you think anybody other than the Tories or Labour will win next election, dream on

it was still a coalition

just watch the system get turned on its head if may fecks up brexit

The thing that does worry me though is that we could have a war a religious war like the crusades or something crazy like that

Islam needs to change but change cannot even be discussed. Bring on the Catholics .

The great melting pot agenda will never work.
There will always be differences of tolerance.

We are seeing the signs of that tipping point now,.

That's what i think Zen.

If it was left any longer Brexit might never have happened & a Trump type
may never have been voted in.

Germany & France now need to start taking back control of their countries.

How can Merkel question Trump about his immigration polices as if shes leading
the way

We need a hard brexit now, the EU is a disaster pulling a lot of countries
into that problem......we need to get as far away as possible for me.

That's not going to happen is it though

Mother May has already done somersaults on this , in the campaign she was a silent remainer

Britain is not going to divorce itself from Europe

anxious, ironically it is people like you and the fool UB who will end up guaranteeing a Hard Brexit. You will not accept that which has been decided. It would be a million times better for you if you did.

We waited patiently for the question to be asked. We answered it. If you can't see that your filibustering, your whinneying, your general lack of grace about the whole issue will just make it worse, then you will have to find out the hard way.

The people of England have demanded Brexit, and we will have Brexit. If we have to separate from Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland to bring it about, and you ask us again if we would still demand Brexit, we will.

The people of England have spoken. The genie is out of the bottle.

1m Scots also voted for Brexit and even more so voted to remain in the Union in fact only 38% of the electorate vote to leave so I don't think Scotland is going anywhere for the foreseeable future.

Tottenham are you there I voted to leave but I was not motivated by nationalism , however  I realise that it was very close the vote and from what I have seen from the clowns running the sho recently I am not impressed one bit

Do you think that your just going to float away from Europe or that will say ok you can go and have all the benefits stiil

My youngest grandchildren behave like this when they don't get all there own way but they are two year olds so they have an excuse adults have no excuse pathetic good job they are not football fans as the media would go tbalistic.Spoilt brats should leave the country now and live under some dictator they agree with.

She was a Remainer, which is why people were concerned of a stitch up
her being PM.
nice to hear her being friendly towards Sir Donald in her speech.

What a great man - i think/hope Donald will do a very good job

A great man Ron they guy is bonkers and a fraud

There is no Europe anxious, the whole idea is dead. You just haven't cottoned on to the fact yet.

There has been no benefit to England anyway - if there had been, the very people who were inveigled into joining in the first place would not have come out in far greater numbers than any other demographic to correct their mistake.

But as I said, it's all moot. Being in or out of a defunct institution is academic.

We, the people of England - the ones who hadn't spoken yet - have killed the European dream. All that remains is for Marine to tear out its heart.

That's how you feel though anxious about the great man

I think the Donalds a breath of fresh air, there's no risk, he has very
experienced people around him.

If Clinton got in nothing would change, apart from benefiting herself,

this man don't need money, he'll try to make changes to help the little people
+ control borders & stop the likes of Sadiq Khan entering the country!

Only joking  "extreme vetting"

Ron your entitled to your opinion but the guy has no experience of politics, no experience of responsibility , the kind of people he has around him from what I have seen are just as unstable as himself, I hope  that when the pressure is really on that he doesn't do something really crazy

I Sleep safe at night knowing he's the Commander-in-chief

hes little hands know where the buttons are

No war with Russia, that's a massive + which was the road Hillary would have been
taking us all down

You are right Ron

Trump will do business with Putin...it will be tough business, but it will be business.

I do not rate Politicians myself, I think they are the ones who have got us into trouble. They are too obsessed with ideologies,

rather than good government which is their job.

I think Trump is a natural leader and ideal for the job.

I could with lived with Bernie Sanders, but Mrs Clinton would have been very bad, it was important she did not win.

Just my own opinion, feel free to disagree.

Re the subject matter of this thread...why are the Progressives rioting?

I see no condemnation from the Democrats who were defeated in a democratic election a few days ago.

When I see such protests/violence (June 24th comes to mind here..) it reassures me that the right call was made.

Basically, they don't like democracy. Irony innit.

the cameras are whipping it up ch4 etc are relishing it

you can hear them licking their lips

there are some 'celebrities' also egging the rioters on

where is the condemnation of these supporters of democracy

if you polled the rioters there,d be some who didnt no why they were there,some who didnt vote,some who voted republican and some obviously because fox news and sky give them 50 dollars to light a few fires,

although i hate him i used to think that adam bolton of sky was good at his job,but banging on about the wall,kim kardashian for the oval office,and farage looking after may at a meeting with trump,is pathetic childish stuff

they have their agenda and it doesn't include the likes of you or me

Ron your entitled to your opinion but the guy has no experience of politics, no experience of responsibility

the fact he is not a politician was the appeal for many people anx, I also would dispute your theory he has no experience of responsibility

Oh it probably was his greatest appeal that he wasn't a politician burton , but lets not got carried away here the vote was very close and I think she will end up winning the popular vote, the only thing the election proves is that America is divided

I know it hurts you but the popular vote is irrelevant, I didn't need to see an election to know the US is divided The Baltimore Star has been calling it for years.

So,the democrats haven't done much of a job after 8 years if the country is so divided has it ? Perhaps tahts why they wanted a change ?

oh treetop - how dare you say that - I will be revolting

but many of the

monisha rajesh supporters have been saying this about me for years

That's true mobo, you are revolting,must be my hormones (or lack of them at my age) coming to the fore !

the fact he is not a politician was the appeal for many people anx, I also would dispute your theory he has no experience of responsibility

A fact that a lot of Hillary supporters want to ignore. That blonde harpie on Question time cut off the guy who tried to make that point last night. Surely it's a good thing that a person doesn't need to have come from a political background and have half a billion in campaign funds in order to become president.

kindly do not use an expression like that
I am shocked
'coming to the fore'  - disgusting sexual prevert iz wot use iz   ho ho!!!

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good read

All this 'divided' nonsense...

2 candidates. One wins, one doesn't. Of course the nation is divided!

The democrats can react to it in one of 2 ways. An old, black army vet said this on the news:

'I voted democrat but once the commander in chief is chosen we need to get behind him'.

OR

You can start fires and throw things at the Old Bill.

Indeed, if the result was the other away around they wouldnt be using the same narrative.

Media sucks big time.

It is the same shock and disbelief that greeted Brexit. A political elite that had no idea what the People felt because it stopped giving a **** decades ago and a liberal, monied elite above the effects of the mass importation of cheap labour and thus ignorant of the resentment it foments.

It is also a direct result of the abandonment of the working class by the Political Left. You didn't need a degree in psephology to look at the Brexit map of England and see the swathes of Labour territory which ended up swinging the entire Brexit vote. The Democrat states turned Right, as had the former Labour communities of the North.

All their certainties have been smashed, their right to govern ripped away when they thought it was immutable. This disorder is their bile and spite that their credo has been well and truly rejected.

They will not stop. The forces of Remain will not stop.

And when Brexit is half-a*sed, and Trump fails to deliver on his promises, the majority - and let there be no doubt that they are a majority, in both countries - will be even angrier than they were in 2016.

Vive La Revolution.

The abandonment of the working class by the political left - what nonsense is this you speak

Life's too short to explain simple truths to imbeciles anxious.

Have you ever ventured north of Watford ?

I ask a question and you mutter some abuse were you born with no manners or does being a tory bring that out in you.

Great post Jed.

anxious - many on the right of politics including millions of Trump supporting Americans and Brexiteers long for the Democrats/Labour to return to their core values.

Corbyn is anti EU because he's opposed to big business relying on and then exploiting a huge low paid workforce.

Sadly he sided with his party and the Unions who bizarrely wanted to Remain.

Trump is a result of the Clintons and Obama. All the talk should be on why the Clintons are so despised and why Obama was ignored. Every single person wants a leader who can govern successfully and be of sound judgement. Obama called it wrong on Brexit and Trump. That's poor.