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people have the brains not to tell them the truth
The last election, Brexit, now trump.
So people are now lying out their arse when polled?
Has the way people are polled changed?
So people are now lying out their arse when polled?
Has the way people are polled changed?
vindaloo...........brexit was always quite close and Clinton a couple of days ago had a 2 per cent lead............that's well within a turnaround
Brexit touched 25s on didn't it? And how short did Hillary go?
As mentioned above the polls had it pretty close, although they generally had Clinton slightly ahead.
I think it was the heavily biased political commentators who fired the perception that Clinton was a shoo in.
I think it was the heavily biased political commentators who fired the perception that Clinton was a shoo in.
I thought trump was a decent lay till I read Clinton was only 2% in front.......so I read the polls different to you................same as brexit........some polls had brexit to win............that was another thing I would have layed till the cows come home........so I think polls were quite accurate............polls said a trump victory unlikely but not impossible
I was going to lay brexit but I believed the polls and saved a small fortune and same with trump
Because the polls are clearly biased.
One only had to visit America, or talk to folks living there, to realise people were going to vote for Trump in massive numbers. His popularity was well known on the streets and in online message boards, yet largely ignored by mainstream media and the biased pollsters.
One only had to visit America, or talk to folks living there, to realise people were going to vote for Trump in massive numbers. His popularity was well known on the streets and in online message boards, yet largely ignored by mainstream media and the biased pollsters.
The BBC in particular are a disgrace, don't hold your breath that they will learn anything from this momentous result.
someone on the bbc suggested it might have something to do with lots of people no longer have landlines,with phone polls usually the most reliable in the past
the luvies, pundits bang on about people been alienated by trump,but people voting brexit,trump etc are alienated by actions,living it everyday,not wetting their knickers about a 10 yr old private conversation,the same conversation that will be taking place between workmen in every factory over a bacon sarnie 7 days a week,anyone not believing that wants to put their shoes on and join the real world for a day or two
The pollsters never conduct a big enough sample, and always canvas a demographic that suits their own agenda. In short, they're close to worthless, as evidenced time and again.
57 yr old,union man all my life, always vote never once been canvassed online,by phone, outside a polling station,in the high street,they search out pensioners,young people,and ignore working class white people the very people who are squewing the polls
1st I think you are so right!
They think that that voters opinion doesn't matter
They aren't bright enough to be bothered with!
They think that that voters opinion doesn't matter
They aren't bright enough to be bothered with!
people go to work,the pub,football etc look at the polls and say fcuk me dont get them ,i dont no anyone who,s going to vote that way and think ah well it must be just my circle thats out of touch,wish i,d trusted my gut feelings on what i here we,d be millionaires now, 
Why are polls now so far out....?
cos they're self opinionated t wats ...they only discuss amongst themselves - never to the great unwashed.
cos they're self opinionated t wats ...they only discuss amongst themselves - never to the great unwashed.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/09/trump-campaign-undercover-supporters-helped-deliver-upset-victory.html
Trump campaign: 'Undercover' supporters helped deliver upset victory
Donald Trump’s upset victory over Hillary Clinton in the presidential race stunned the political establishment and the pollsters – but his campaign manager credited the phenomenon of “undercover Trump voters” and several other key factors Wednesday morning for their win.
Kellyanne Conway, speaking with “Fox & Friends,” said there was a “small but potent” force all along who didn’t reveal they planned to vote for the Republican nominee.
“It’s not that they’re embarrassed,” she said, but that they were “tired of arguing” about their political preference. The "undercover" voters followed a similar pattern displayed by so-called "shy voters" who backed the "Brexit" vote in the U.K. over the summer.
Conway said their voters fell into a range of categories, including Hispanic voters, women, union members and other constituencies that traditionally vote Democratic.
The common thread among these voters, she said, was they wanted the country taken in a “new and different direction,” they had an unfavorable view of Clinton and they shared certain concerns – about everything from ObamaCare premium increases to the decline of manufacturing jobs to the threat of terrorism.
Further, she said, “Candidates matter. There’s no substitute for a great candidate.”
Clinton, who did not speak publicly Tuesday night, plans to address supporters Wednesday morning in New York City.
The depth of the divide between the predictions and the outcome in Tuesday’s election will be studied for years. But in terms of the on-the-ground strategy, Conway noted that the campaign committed itself to winning Pennsylvania after seeing their message fit with the beliefs of so many people in the state.
While almost every poll showed Trump losing the state, the campaign devoted money and resources and attention to the battleground for weeks.
“He was never leading in Pennsylvania, not one time,” she said.
But after the campaign won what Conway called their “core four” – Iowa, Ohio, Florida and North Carolina – they knew they could win by flipping one more state.
As it turned out, the victory in Pennsylvania put them over the top early Wednesday morning.
Clinton won her share of battlegrounds, including Virginia and Nevada and Colorado, but could not make up for Trump’s strong performance in other states thought to favor the Democrat.
Speaking to cheering supporters early Wednesday morning at his victory party in New York City, the Republican candidate and now president-elect said Clinton called to congratulate him, and Fox News confirms she conceded. Despite their hard-fought campaign, Trump praised Clinton for her service and said “it is time for us to come together as one united people.”
“I will be president for all Americans,” Trump vowed, after a brief introduction by running mate Mike Pence.
Sounding a call to “reclaim our country’s destiny,” Trump declared: “The forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer. … America will no longer settle for anything less than the best.”
Though Clinton called Trump, her campaign initially did not concede defeat. Earlier, her campaign chairman John Podesta addressed supporters nearby in New York and said several states were “too close to call.”
Clinton herself did not appear at the rally. Podesta had urged supporters to “head home” and said they would not have “anything more to say tonight.”
Amid Trump’s victory, Republicans also were projected to hold onto their majority in the House and Senate, improving Trump’s chances of advancing his agenda in office.
Trump campaign: 'Undercover' supporters helped deliver upset victory
Donald Trump’s upset victory over Hillary Clinton in the presidential race stunned the political establishment and the pollsters – but his campaign manager credited the phenomenon of “undercover Trump voters” and several other key factors Wednesday morning for their win.
Kellyanne Conway, speaking with “Fox & Friends,” said there was a “small but potent” force all along who didn’t reveal they planned to vote for the Republican nominee.
“It’s not that they’re embarrassed,” she said, but that they were “tired of arguing” about their political preference. The "undercover" voters followed a similar pattern displayed by so-called "shy voters" who backed the "Brexit" vote in the U.K. over the summer.
Conway said their voters fell into a range of categories, including Hispanic voters, women, union members and other constituencies that traditionally vote Democratic.
The common thread among these voters, she said, was they wanted the country taken in a “new and different direction,” they had an unfavorable view of Clinton and they shared certain concerns – about everything from ObamaCare premium increases to the decline of manufacturing jobs to the threat of terrorism.
Further, she said, “Candidates matter. There’s no substitute for a great candidate.”
Clinton, who did not speak publicly Tuesday night, plans to address supporters Wednesday morning in New York City.
The depth of the divide between the predictions and the outcome in Tuesday’s election will be studied for years. But in terms of the on-the-ground strategy, Conway noted that the campaign committed itself to winning Pennsylvania after seeing their message fit with the beliefs of so many people in the state.
While almost every poll showed Trump losing the state, the campaign devoted money and resources and attention to the battleground for weeks.
“He was never leading in Pennsylvania, not one time,” she said.
But after the campaign won what Conway called their “core four” – Iowa, Ohio, Florida and North Carolina – they knew they could win by flipping one more state.
As it turned out, the victory in Pennsylvania put them over the top early Wednesday morning.
Clinton won her share of battlegrounds, including Virginia and Nevada and Colorado, but could not make up for Trump’s strong performance in other states thought to favor the Democrat.
Speaking to cheering supporters early Wednesday morning at his victory party in New York City, the Republican candidate and now president-elect said Clinton called to congratulate him, and Fox News confirms she conceded. Despite their hard-fought campaign, Trump praised Clinton for her service and said “it is time for us to come together as one united people.”
“I will be president for all Americans,” Trump vowed, after a brief introduction by running mate Mike Pence.
Sounding a call to “reclaim our country’s destiny,” Trump declared: “The forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer. … America will no longer settle for anything less than the best.”
Though Clinton called Trump, her campaign initially did not concede defeat. Earlier, her campaign chairman John Podesta addressed supporters nearby in New York and said several states were “too close to call.”
Clinton herself did not appear at the rally. Podesta had urged supporters to “head home” and said they would not have “anything more to say tonight.”
Amid Trump’s victory, Republicans also were projected to hold onto their majority in the House and Senate, improving Trump’s chances of advancing his agenda in office.
they are prone to at least two major unknowns.
an inaccurate representation of the actual turnout.
a guarded reticence from those voting for the media's pariah (trump/brexit); IVR polls had them much closer all election.
and then there's the hubris of the pollsters. How many of the f*ckers provide margins of error? The problem is that if they do in close run things like this, they have to contend with presenting an answer which is: I don't know.
Which is of course entirely expected when you're predicting things: you can't know everything all the time.
Sometimes you just don't know.
But this is something that no pundit seems to want to admit, because they think it might damage their credibility, when in fact, it should only really serve to enhance it.
an inaccurate representation of the actual turnout.
a guarded reticence from those voting for the media's pariah (trump/brexit); IVR polls had them much closer all election.
and then there's the hubris of the pollsters. How many of the f*ckers provide margins of error? The problem is that if they do in close run things like this, they have to contend with presenting an answer which is: I don't know.
Which is of course entirely expected when you're predicting things: you can't know everything all the time.
Sometimes you just don't know.
But this is something that no pundit seems to want to admit, because they think it might damage their credibility, when in fact, it should only really serve to enhance it.
Middle class women tend to vote for powerful men not powerful women
Clinton actually won the most votes (popular vote) as it's known over there.
Never been polled and don't know anyone who has been asked but all my friends have always voted and influence families.They need to get out of the big cities more,too easy for the pollsters to make their numbers up in areas of high density.
Obama's endorsements
Chicago Olympics - FAIL
EU Remain - FAIL
Hilary - MEGA FAIL
The guy's a kiss of death.
Chicago Olympics - FAIL
EU Remain - FAIL
Hilary - MEGA FAIL
The guy's a kiss of death.
In the new politically correct world you would be seen as a pariah to vote for Brexit or Trump, so those polled would not tell the truth.
simply - no one is listening to anything outside the agenda
....next time hook them all up to a polygraph test. Otherwise it's all a waste of time.
polls ar adjusted to suit what they expect so its a vicious circle once they are wrong
then youve got to assume same folk vote each time
they dont
usa polls were quite decent, and i guess the raw data found right result but they were massaged wrong
somebody was polling correctly as trump knew which states to revisit
that wasnt done by accident !
then youve got to assume same folk vote each time
they dont
usa polls were quite decent, and i guess the raw data found right result but they were massaged wrong
somebody was polling correctly as trump knew which states to revisit
that wasnt done by accident !
back to your undercover Trump voters BB, there was an interesting interview on the World Service last night. A chap was being interviewed (might have been the mayor) from a small town in Michigan whose name I cannot remember. He was saying that for the past 5 elections there were steadfastly between 3000-3100 voters at every election, yesterday morning 900 townsfolk turned up with their ID's wanting to vote for the very first time. Michigan was won by Trump eventually.
The polls were correct. As crystalhunt posted earlier, Hillary got more votes than Trump. They are still counting and probably will be for weeks but it looks like Hillary may be ahead by a record margin for a loser.
Trump is president-elect because it is not a national election; it is a series of individual state-by-state contests, and Trump was winning states by small margins while Hillary was piling up votes to win fewer states but by bigger margins. Bigger but pointless.
Trump is president-elect because it is not a national election; it is a series of individual state-by-state contests, and Trump was winning states by small margins while Hillary was piling up votes to win fewer states but by bigger margins. Bigger but pointless.
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