SINGLE MARKET V NO FREE MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE

Dont care what type of Brexit as long  as we keep
soft toilet paper

The UK will still be able to form trade deals with the rest of the world without EU interference.
It will just be the EU transactions which will be EU regulated.

Also we will be able to move away from the corrupt Common Agricultural Policy.
Stop benefits for EU migrants
Regulate employment agencies for the benefit of UK workers.
And more.......

Not my ideal scenario as a Leave voter, but i won't be crying into a glass half empty if it happens.

Plus if it isn't what the people want, then there will be connected General Elections in the future.

A bit about Norway acquiesce

The Norwegian economy has been a success outside of the EU. In the run-up to the referendum in 1994, the Yes campaign warned of recession and unemployment if Norway stayed outside of the EU. More than 20 years on it is quite clear that these warnings were false. Today, Norway is trading more than ever with EU countries and with the rest of the world. Unemployment in Norway is at a much lower level than in most European countries.

Because Norway are outside the Common Agricultural Policy, Norway is free to maintain an agricultural policy in accordance with local needs. Outside the Common Fisheries Policy, Norway is free to find the best balance between coastal fishing and offshore fishing. That way our fisheries can benefit coastal communities and create employment.

See, there are many benefits of what we call the soft Brexit.

I'm surprised the Kraut hasn't been on yet to tell us the wall they're building in Munich is just the lies of the British press. They are very humanitarian over there you know.

the french wont build a wall and force us to pay for it



there will be loads of good things coming out of brexit and loads of bad things

its up to us to make it work, us as in uk plc not betfair forum

Why the f*** are you banging on about Norway, you're missing the whole phucking point.

I am talking about IMMIGRATION, because that's all the chit chat right wing massive have been talking about for YEARS.

And you have been BETRAYED, you wanted strict immigration control, you are not getting it with access to the single market, one of the four principles cannot be broken.

Since you mention NORWAY, Norway also has to accept free movement of people, no right wing looney can have their cake and eat it.

FFS you give one topic and they deflect attention by mentioning another


Breitears have been STICTCHED UP and they know it.

Sorry acquiesce

I was under the impressive that you was a bright spark and could follow the expansion of any given topic.

I was merely replying to this from someone with the same forum name as you.

WTF WAS THE POINT IN VOTING OUTLaugh


The Norwegian Remainers played the same game.

No deflection, just expansion.

hth

I was under the impression that you was a bright spark and could follow the expansion of any given topic.

Nov 7, 2016 -- 2:04PM, Burton-Brewers wrote:

I'm surprised the Kraut hasn't been on yet to tell us the wall they're building in Munich is just the lies of the British press. They are very humanitarian over there you know.

I'm surprised I occupy your mind even when I'm neither anywhere to be seen, nor Germany or refugees are the topic or have been mentioned.

As for the wall. That was built. It's one one side of the area where the refugee housing area faces a bunch of resident houses. The official reason is noise protection (that's why it's only on one side of the grounds and nowhere near closed), but maybe those seven residents that went to court to get the wall built just didn't wanna see happy ball playing black kids every morning when looking out of the window. Who knows?

In general though I have to say the Free State of Bavaria and its citizens have done by far the best job out of all states in Germany in taking care of refugees. Massive noise protection wall or not, they deserve a lot of praise.

just keep your lips firmly wrapped around Merkel's kn0b I'm sure she loves your kind

Maybe I should add that grumpy old men have always hated good blonde white kids playing football in their neighbourhoods as well ever since I can remember. Sports clubs are closed and walls are built everywhere (Berlin built a nice 5m wall a while ago)

Them miserable gits just can't stand the thought of happy kids.

Since you mention NORWAY, Norway also has to accept free movement of people, no right wing looney can have their cake and eat it.


Poland is enticing it's workers back with propaganda and incentives.
There will be a natural balance once we stop all the in/out work benefits and regulate recruitment agencies.

That way our fisheries can benefit coastal communities and create employment.

There would be plenty of fish for your coastal communities even now if your government didn't licence about half of the UK's entire quota to foreign big fishery business.

Single Market, Free Movement AND membership of the EU is the ideal outcome of Brexit.

We can do this.

There would be plenty of fish for your coastal communities even now if your government didn't licence about half of the UK's entire quota to foreign big fishery business.


You mean bungling EU beaurocrats and limp wristed UK politicians supporting the big industrialised vessels over the many small traditional vessels? Those historical quotas handed out have been up for grabs to the highest bidders....

Out of the EU there is nothing stopping our mini crew vessels from being freed up.

Apart from your government enacting own quotas and selling those limited quotas to the highest bidders from abroad.

In an earlier discussion with someone on this forum it turned out that e.g your government called for the EU to set emergency quotas on the great and highly popular fish that is the sea bass. I don't see them allowing much higher quotas, if at all, than have been set by the EU. They seem to be very conscious to the danger of hurting your fish populations beyond repair.

It's more to do with the quotas going further and protecting our depleted crews from traditional fishing communities.
Dutch super vessels taking more than 20% of the UK quotas and the small UK fleets only allowed to fish on their doorsteps and only allowed to catch sustainable nets, then there is room for a fairer system.

It really is the little man v the big business backers here edy.
Yes our ministers are as guilty as hell and culpable to the problem.

This is what is lost on this island, the relisation that EU regs are in place for long-term good.
The Sun, The Daily Mail and Express each have min two stories every day with one message: the EU is bad. With combined sales of 3 1/2 daily, that amonts to 30 billiondisparaging reports against the EU since the right-wing campaign began.Britain's gullibility is its tragedy. What do right-wingers gain from a bonfire of regulations? Give your heads a shake..

Just hope all the Remainers are Submitting their Spare bedrooms as Housing options for the Poor young children of Calais this would certainly help the UK out .

EU regs are supported by 80% of big business so they must be for the better good UB.

Nov 7, 2016 -- 3:51PM, ZenMaster wrote:

It really is the little man v the big business backers here edy.Yes our ministers are as guilty as hell and culpable to the problem.

it is.

One thing has always bedazzled me about people that claim to hate the establishment, big business and whatnot however. I know you are a big fan of Farage and conservative politics, so maybe you can explain something to me.

Why do so many people that claim to hate the establishment keep going to the Tories and their splinter party UKIP, heck even sometimes strongly oppose social democrats? Conservatives stand more than anyone else for the things these people claim to hate so much. The conservaties are the people that went to posh expensive fee-paying schools (52% of conservatives in parliament, 17% Lib Dems, 14% Labour). They are the ones with a history in banking (25% of tories in parliament, 4% labour). They are the ones overwhelmingly having attended the little elite establishment Oxbridge colleges (45% tories in parliament, 14% labour, 13% lib dems).

So...what actually gives? All that anti-establishment talk is just to give the bullshit some nicer paint, isn't it?

edy you are to clever for here you will muddle their brains

The Sun, The Daily Mail and Express each have min two stories every day with one message: the EU is bad.

Less then than the amount of atricles the Guardian and the Independent have about Brexit being bad.

I would have thought that apart from a dozen or so, that the whole of parliament fits the description of establishment. Those who aren't in banking have mainly legal training, or were previously aides to the whole stinking heap.  Leaving the odd ex mine worker or engineer as rarities.  Fk me - nearly all the Labour PLP are so removed from most wage and salary earners - don't get me started on the tory lot.

It is a giant club - sign on to the gravy train.

BRITAIN NEEDS IMMIGRANTS AND MAY KNOWS IT.

I strongly disagree with the OP....that is one thing we do not need, except in certain skilled professions

where we are short ourselves.

That is why I voted for Brexit.

If leaving the EU is that damaging to us...then Cameron should not have offered a referendum should he, after all he was paid

to run this country.

Send Brussels all the TAX who cares we won't see it anyway

It's either send it to them or build mosques and buildings that have no need

Who cares just get on with the daily life and you may take your head out of politics as we could talk about it all year

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the last thing most politicians are FOR is running this country - it's votes, votes, votes, it is purely tribal party politics and then writing their books, disappearing to an eu sinecure or several more directorships - I fkn know - I have been  the Labour party, like it seems, forever.   We is fked.

I agree chaser...but how else do we get to make money?

A job can be satisfying, but not for everybody, depends on the job

most are ants for the ant hill - I can never understand how people just swallow the propaganda
only a small proportion can be on the top of the ant hill

it's how it works (or in some sad cases, not work)

ebul


Trade goods in from china and sell on for decent money with platforms like Facebook now you have the world to sell to and Ebay , Guntree can be good also.

Everything is made in china now anyway so people buy not a problem.I wouldn't try importing electrics though i got stung with a tax bill years ago and faulty goods

What you thin Mike Ashley does but on a massive scale compared to others

You can get anything from China and easy and legit no fakes just sell unbranded items and it's legal

Gumtree*

Check the clothes your wearing now i bet some are made in Bangladesh / China or Cambodia

I know somebody who tried that......erm the HRMC want to speak to him

Obviously the rich get away with it, the poor don't

It an idea chaser...ta for that.....

If Clinton wins the US election, I wont be able to afford clothes, food or anything like that

They aint been at me yet but if they did they would need to go around the bookies to collect the monies 

One thing has always bedazzled me about people that claim to hate the establishment, big business and whatnot however. I know you are a big fan of Farage and conservative politics, so maybe you can explain something to me.....


edy

Regarding my politics, i am fluid with my leanings.
I do not support the Tory party due to their corrupt connections with big business.
I have supported Farage and his out and out attack on the EU for 20 years now edy, before he was this demonised populist figure. However, i have only voted UKIP twice, wanting them to force the referendum. It happened.
For me, it should be the Labour Party pushing for more priority of the UK working class, but they push for more priority for multiculturalism and free-movement from the EU.

I was a big admirer of Bob Crow, so you can identify me as a Crowist.

3 days from China now for deliveries with DHL

I'll go with crow - but when he was alive he wasn't an mp.  To some extent he was outside the tent and therefore got shot at regularly - just like farage or anyone else offering a possible alternative.  Trump is the same in that sense.  Tv news/programming does not like it.  It doesn't fit the narrow agenda.   Don't rock the boat or you will 'accidently' fall overboard!!!

Crow and Farage held the similar views on the EU mobo as you know.
Crow believed the one difference was that Frage was anti European people, were as Crow himself said that he was purely anti EU.

See, Crow believed in work visas for EU nationals and reeled against those UK contracts being snuffed out by the establishment backing foreign investment.

By the way, i did not agree with Crow when he said that about Farage.

Farage is almost definitely anti EU

IS TRUMP 100% REAL

I have my doubts although i think he may be better they all breathe the same air and bow to the same leader

Hilary wanted a wall there is videos on her saying it but she uses it against Trump

It's all a pantomime at the end of the day

yes zen  like the spanish contractors employing only spanish
and the polish agencies only employing poles etc etc etc

ah !! I just want to go to bed and not drivel on  - let's just get out of the whole stinking corrupt mess

all the best good night

You lot are all going to die thinking of politics give it up before your bald or grey or both or is it too late