The uk deserves what it gets after today

they can scrap the opt outs anyway just read article 48 of the Lisbon treaty

The EU is coming apart at the seams so it is only a matter of time before we are out.

Great never meant great ,it is a geographical term

What a bunch of moaning minnies. The polls are open for another 9 hours, get yourselves out there knocking on doors if think your arguments are so good that you can convince people.

dunlaying. This vote will only strengthen the EU. The other countries that thinking of coming out will now have 2nd thoughts.

they were hoping for a return back to the old days of rose scented red phone boxes, endless blue skies and cheap beer sofia 

mind you beer is getting a bit pricey 

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    23 Jun 16 13:22 

the rascist/immigrant hating little englanders can not lose with good grace..hardly a surprise.

What about 'The Little Europeans'?

And 'Englanders' should still, just about, have a capital 'E' thank you very much

sofia kenny is an Englishman from Bishops Stortford ,he's  on the wind up

remembering why this vote was called in the 1st place its rather ironic that there will only be 2 winners, the EU AND UKIP, you really couldnt make it up

Why would Sofiakenny give a capital letter to a country he hates,to a country who's abolition he rejoices in.

Merkel has won.
She now realises in her fit of madness she took in too many migrants,she will now try to make Britain pay for her catastrophic mistake.

here we go again anyone who votes remain hates their country and this from someone who is from one of the most pro euro countries out there.

Good post EMR..concur with your sentiments entirely

The front pages in tomorrows press. WIR HABEN GEWONNEN. VIVA ANGELA

The Sun headlines tomorrow will be


ITS A FCKING JOKE (Well it would be if i was the Ed)

just voted-its busy mostly oldies who might well be voting out,thinking maybe youngsters might not make such an effect,its all good

I think "Wir haben den Sieg, Heil Der Borg" would be more fitting.

Leave odds hit 10.5 then fell back a short time ago.

Just checking. Yes, could be more fitting.

oh yes, I see the live betting now, cannot wait to have to pay for more for more nhs tourists, bring it on!

I can't wait to see what all this new legislation is that they have been sitting on. I'll p1ss myself laughing if it's accession for other countries joining the club.

I'm quite amazed that apparently single morning poll that is 52/48, months after the pollsters got it massively wrong, can lead to (brief) ~10.0 price for the 48% side and huge amounts backing the 52% side.

Somethingf feels like it isn't adding up. I'm normally the first to mock conspiracy nuts but ..

I just cant understand this,our polling booth is massively busier than any general election,we have campaigned several times so know to compare. They are onto their second box by lunch time (normally only one) and plan to ask for a third box by tea time and the vast majority of people claim they are voting Leave ???? They must have already announced the postal votes in London, 15 million for Remain !

primary schools teaching the goose step,will be right up farage street

Agree JC

You always had that feeling it was never going to happen.
I doubt the private polls are exclusively that definitive to the outcome for such investment on the exchange.

I went to vote today, and they both looked like remainders to me on the desk.
And looked at me like i was 'one of them'.....

Did you use a pen? I think I'll use a pencil but press REALLY hard :)
It's more important for me as my vote counts twice as I know Ronnie Pickering.

On what basis, seriously, is everyone saying the referendum result is already known?

I voted mid-morning in the rural home counties. There was a steady stream of people coming in to vote - much more so than in a general election. Mostly elderly (but then again that's the prevailing demographic round here) and with no party apparatchicks wanting to take my details as I left, like you have at an election.

It feels like there's a huge turnout with very little in the way of exit feedback, and with the polls all looking to have the result on a knife-edge?

Back down to 9/2 guys it ain't over yet

I know the 'Remaindeers' are banking on the 'Undecideds' being scared into their camp and I daresay the politicization of the death of Jo Cox will have swung some voters their way but really....?

To this extent.....?

Here in Scotland it's like deja vu all over again

aye john..and have wagered accordingly.

Only time I was tempted to wager was straight after Jo Cox died but I thought that was a bit sick. Was also thinking the polls were a bit out as some people were afraid to say 'Leave' the same way some are afarid to say 'Tory'.

So many similarities to 2014. Same fear, same tactics, same arguments, sometimes same arguments but on 'different' sides.... The SNP 'vote to save the NHS' appeared at the exact same stage of the campaign.

Better the devil you know is a massive part of the human psyche. That's why the EU happened this way... tiny bit by tiny bit, then getting out is a massive change that people are scared of.

Have to hope other countries stop this EU steam-roller.
We'll be driving on the right next!

Should have said the op was how I thought after the indyref. Scrap the parliament, scrap Scots Law and education system etc etc

These feelings will fade with the hangover.

dont worry too much guys- the euro will fail soon and that will be that

VOTE OUT OR BECOME AN UNPATRIOTIC SPINELESS MUG TORY KNOB LIKE MOST OF THE COUNTRY

A polling station in England has been forced to remove the St. George’s flag, after a man on social media claimed it was a “dog whistle for the leave campaign” and made the room look “like an EDL rally”.
The polling station, in the Mayfield Athletic Club, London, had left up patriotic a display after a Euro 2016 match. However, after word spread on social media, the Electoral Commission instructed them to remove the national flag.

Watch this video you should. Police removing the out stall in caerphilly.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2qUSCxBw1E

yes, emr... and can you see the 'remai' stall being left alone to carry on their scaremongering in the background?

*remain stall

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Watch this video you should. Police removing the out stall in caerphilly.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2qUSCxBw1E

This is what happened to people wanting INDY  Scotland

Results are already made and they take the campaigners away they dont want

There is no vote the result is already picked before the polls begin

This is the moment police took the name of a pro-Brexit supporter who offered voters the use of her pen in case of fraud.


Some Vote Leave campaigners have claimed that using the pencil usually found in polling stations is dangerous because their cross could be rubbed out and changed, even claiming MI5 are involved.

Jacqueline Jackson, who was outside a Winchester polling station, filmed the officer taking her details as she argued she was allowed to lend her pen to anyone entering.

**** voting, calling people bottlers........ so so familiar

R1gged

the looney that is david cameron is so out of touch surrounded by his bessie mates,that a refferendum that was called to shoot the ukip fox,looks like having the outcome in the coming years of at least doubling the ukip vote and splitting the tory party forever,baldrick smells a cunning plan,but for the life of me i cant see it
corbyn and his corbynista,s do alright though labour will become a fringe protest party in the uk,which suits corbyn as he never wanted power,what poor old chukka,yvette and co are going to do gawd only no,s possibly join the tory party there,ll be plenty of room,what a fcuking shambles

If leave was serious they could have got a better leader than Boris

I never thought Boris was an asset, I can't understand his popularity.

Right wing groups are growing in strength across Europe. Some of them are a bit naughty.

Ironically the Remainers want to see UKIP etc killed off but if we stay the opposite will happen.

even worse for the main partys ukip will be having both the tory and labour lunch,why cant anyone in the westminster village see this,what are we missing

Libby Brooks‏ @libby_brooks
Scotland's chief returning officer Mary Pitkeithley just interviewed on BBC estimates turnout at 70-80% #EUref

All done & dusted   ...the  Remain iiii's have it ! 1/6 on bf 1/10 with most bookies

thank God for that - Britain is Great in the EU, and would become a pathetic mediocrity outside it

What do you know, this would be an ecumenical matter!

Right wing groups are growing in strength across Europe. Some of them are a bit naughty.

Farage and UKIP refused to join one group because it was too right wing. The lefties have just voted for these people to make their laws. You really could not make it up.

Jacqueline Jackson ‏@willowhalegreen  6h6 hours ago
Police came to Chichester polling station called by REMAIN side to stop me LENDING my PEN to all voters

To all the youngish people out there who voted remain and vilified the brexiters in the process  - enjoy your zero hour contracts, scrapping for minimum wage jobs throughout your life, sky high rents, houses that you will never be able to afford, security threats that come with living in a crap area, and working until drop.

You got what you wanted and deserve, and will get very little sympathy from the millions of little englanders that you so despise. By little englander I mean anyone who isn't a frothing left wing zealot

As a little englander who took early retirement to travel, and paid my mortgage off in my early 40's, live out in the sticks, it's all rosy in the garden. Good luck!

BTW Cameron and his capitalist mates running the big businesses have played a blinder hoodwinking the suckers into voting remain. Disposable cannon fodder is now assured for the future.

Emden is wise - only option now is to look after me and mine. If we remain regrets will be widespread in dew coarse.

you need to get yourself down the polling station and try there   - it's not looking good for you at the moment

'it's all rosy in the garden'

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those 1967 glasses again 

But the young affected by high rents or getting not paid enough due to wage competition, they aren't just being obviously affected by supply and demand like any normal person would think, this is because there isn't a socialist government to impose rent control and high pay via the ministry of control's 5 year plan! The Corbynites said so! ... muppets :)

buying a house today isn't that much dearer than in the distant past ,say 1989 .

More the problem is banks are not lending ,besides youngsters would sooner spend their money elsewhere .

Youngsters also fussy ,they won't live anywhere and aren't prepapred to rough it for a few years  or get stuck in with house maintainence .

One thing missing from the left in the whole debate imo was the moral aspect of us being the 5th largest economy in the world yet letting poorer countries educate and train so many people before we take them. Is that morally correct? Is the foreign aid/EU contributions guilt money?

To all the youngish people out there who voted remain and vilified the brexiters in the process  - enjoy your zero hour contracts, scrapping for minimum wage jobs throughout your life, sky high rents, houses that you will never be able to afford, security threats that come with living in a crap area, and working until drop.


Ye see? This is the type of thing i was talking about on another fred, namely that the cuckoos of 'leave' had plenty of opportunity to rip 'remain' into tiny pieces. The fact that they didn't has bothered me from day 1. There has never been a concerted effort from them, otherwise it would have been a walkover..

guinness the youth vote was never going to be claimed, they've had it so easy and know no different. They may think different in another 41 years time. The momentum was lost last Thursday, had that not happened I think it would be a different story.

The high profile individuals with TV/media time weren't strong enough certainly. There was plenty of usuable material on Facebook and the like that never saw the light of day.

It's all conjecture anyway, Ron as i think this was sorted a while ago. But i maintain that 'leave' did not try hard enough. Ye all have to make up yer own mind as to why..

Sorry, BB i meant you..

Yes we will deserve what we get

Our society has becime corrupt and decadent, it started with Thatcher.

Our electoral system is failing, it is working on bribery(we give far too much power to women, their vote needs to weighted to ensure
a male majority of votes).

It is why Muslims may win one day...they see our weakness.

We can't stop them coming here from Europe can we now

Yes the Cox murder  turned the whole Eventwhen the gaff is over run by mad Migrants who have no money or abode lets see what people will think of remaining then ,,

The young can still get their easy supply of drugs now that we are staying in. sad but true

"buying a house today isn't that much dearer than in the distant past ,say 1989."
Oh come on that's not true, historically, as a fraction of average earnings, it's much much more than it used to be?

The fact this cox escapade seems to have turned the vote and how our media and slimey politicians orchestrated and used it to turn things around is one of the most memorable and depressing things about all this.

What a cr*p shallow country, we probably do deserve what's coming.

Just checking -  yesteryear  the banks took your money in INTEREST ,these days  you are paying  LESS .

A house in 1989 that cost  60,000 would cost 150,000 in todays currency .

That house today would be 260,000  . At say 10% interest (did hit 15% in 1989 btw) compared with say 5% today on a fixed rate .

Therefore todays house would be cheaper to buy in terms of interest only .

Coachbuster over a lifetime IF interest rates stay low, perhaps, but you get mortgages on income multipliers, and you're not taking into account inflation either. 10% was a very high figure as well, isn't it historically far more like 5% average I believe.

obviously lower house prices with lower interest would be of greater benefit .

1996 would have been the single best year to buy a house in the UK , 1989  the worst .

1970s would have been horrendous

The statistics I've read about how many would be shafted if the interest rates went up just a couple % are horrifying.

i am taking into account inflation as i have posted

this is why i suggested a fixed rate over 5 years .

with a low tax rate youngsters have it made ,but they want to live in Hampstead,St Albans  or Brighton and Hove  and not in Portsmouth ,Ipswich or Southend.

Fussy little fookers