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The Establishment, basically.
David Cameron's little black book of contacts
The BBC
Major corporations
The City
It's tough to go up against that lot and win
David Cameron's little black book of contacts
The BBC
Major corporations
The City
It's tough to go up against that lot and win
Cannot understand how anybody could vote remain. Just complete fools imo.
So if remain wins, Tallywagger has summed it up perfectly.
So if remain wins, Tallywagger has summed it up perfectly.
farage has had a shocker
sorry I know I am biased but I don't agree. At the start of the referendum GO/Leave.EU were virtually getting no coverage apart from the Daily Express, it was all VoteLeave and Gove & Johnson and Nigel didn't even make a tv appearance until April. During that time Remain was comfortably in front as they were pushing their doomsday economic scenarios, and Boris/Gove were making a mess of deflecting it. When Nigel became active and pushed immigration to the front remain got reeled in and overtaken in the polls, Boris Johnson himself then started citing immigration issues which he'd never mentioned before. Had the mp not been murdered last week remain would never have been able to use that poster against Brexit (a poster which incidentally was not chosen by Nigel himself) and this referendum would now be virtually won. Momentum breeds momentum, had Johnson/Gove been left to run this themselves we wouldn't have got as close as we did.
sorry I know I am biased but I don't agree. At the start of the referendum GO/Leave.EU were virtually getting no coverage apart from the Daily Express, it was all VoteLeave and Gove & Johnson and Nigel didn't even make a tv appearance until April. During that time Remain was comfortably in front as they were pushing their doomsday economic scenarios, and Boris/Gove were making a mess of deflecting it. When Nigel became active and pushed immigration to the front remain got reeled in and overtaken in the polls, Boris Johnson himself then started citing immigration issues which he'd never mentioned before. Had the mp not been murdered last week remain would never have been able to use that poster against Brexit (a poster which incidentally was not chosen by Nigel himself) and this referendum would now be virtually won. Momentum breeds momentum, had Johnson/Gove been left to run this themselves we wouldn't have got as close as we did.
I can't work out why the Brexiters don't seem to be talking about the less-than-rosy future of the EU. To me that's by far the best reason for leaving. Maybe I've just missed it but why are they not hammering home the narrative about sinking ships and lifeboats ?
Ballistic the internal collapse of the EU is basically the same as Osbourne's prediction of a financial meltdown, it is just a collection of opinions with no actual fact it would happen.
So not a possibility / probabililty that should be taken into account when voting ?
What would happen if we stay but France decides to have a vote and they vote out ?
What would happen if we stay but France decides to have a vote and they vote out ?
Whoever was responsible for the £350M a week figure caused Brexit a lot of damage. Everyone knew Cameron and Osborne were going to throw all sorts of dodgy figures at Brexiters, so their figures had to be watertight, beyond reproach as it would have given them a big advantage by using factual figures as opposed to the government "forecasts". Instead they messed it up and wasted hours discussing semantics and calculations.
So much damage caused by saying "We send the EU £350M a week" instead of "We give the EU £248M a week".
So much damage caused by saying "We send the EU £350M a week" instead of "We give the EU £248M a week".
xmoneyx- main reason for leaving is for us to take control of our own affairs, and not be told what we can or can't do by EU.
What would happen if we stay but France decides to have a vote and they vote out ?
personally I don't think they would ever be allowed a vote
personally I don't think they would ever be allowed a vote
Poll since jo cox
Britain Elects @britainelects
EU referendum poll:
Remain: 45% (-)
Leave: 44% (+2)
(via Survation, phone / 20 Jun)
Britain Elects @britainelects
EU referendum poll:
Remain: 45% (-)
Leave: 44% (+2)
(via Survation, phone / 20 Jun)
Burton-Brewers
21 Jun 16 13:12
Ballistic the internal collapse of the EU is basically the same as Osbourne's prediction of a financial meltdown, it is just a collection of opinions with no actual fact it would happen.
On which note, it's interesting that no 'opinion' has been given on what the EU plan to do about the Greek deficit?
Of course, one has given up hoping for a coherent 'opinion' on the EU's policy re refugees / economic migrants / ISIS insurgents, bar Merkels 'Houseparty and hard luck women of Cologne' efforts
21 Jun 16 13:12
Ballistic the internal collapse of the EU is basically the same as Osbourne's prediction of a financial meltdown, it is just a collection of opinions with no actual fact it would happen.
On which note, it's interesting that no 'opinion' has been given on what the EU plan to do about the Greek deficit?
Of course, one has given up hoping for a coherent 'opinion' on the EU's policy re refugees / economic migrants / ISIS insurgents, bar Merkels 'Houseparty and hard luck women of Cologne' efforts
Tallywagger. • June 21, 2016 12:28 PM BST
the gullible mugs who voted remain.
That seems reasonable Tallywagger, everybody has a vote
the gullible mugs who voted remain.
That seems reasonable Tallywagger, everybody has a vote
rogerthebutler • June 21, 2016 1:39 PM BST
what the EU plan to do about the Greek deficit?
Presumably you mean debt? I believe they don't have a deficit after debt interest is removed. I think you would be better asking what the UK plans to do about its debt/deficit.
Of course, one has given up hoping for a coherent 'opinion' on the EU's policy re refugees / economic migrants / ISIS insurgents,
Please source the EU's policy on the above, in particular, "ISIS insurgents"?
what the EU plan to do about the Greek deficit?
Presumably you mean debt? I believe they don't have a deficit after debt interest is removed. I think you would be better asking what the UK plans to do about its debt/deficit.
Of course, one has given up hoping for a coherent 'opinion' on the EU's policy re refugees / economic migrants / ISIS insurgents,
Please source the EU's policy on the above, in particular, "ISIS insurgents"?
Agree about the £350m per week. Just a complete untruth that was easy to shoot down and so make the quitters look like desperate liars.
Notable that they've all but given up the economic argument now and it's all about Nige's xenophobic fear mongering. Telling how weak their arguments always were. Then came the almost inevitable result of some crackpot being so stirred up about all the fear and hate he goes and slays someone. The quitters always needed the doubters to vote angry to win and it seems that anger's now been pricked by the realisation we're mirroring the US in the politics of hate and gun murders so maybe a clearer head, an acknowledgement that all these experts might just have a point and the grass may not be greener on our own.
Notable that they've all but given up the economic argument now and it's all about Nige's xenophobic fear mongering. Telling how weak their arguments always were. Then came the almost inevitable result of some crackpot being so stirred up about all the fear and hate he goes and slays someone. The quitters always needed the doubters to vote angry to win and it seems that anger's now been pricked by the realisation we're mirroring the US in the politics of hate and gun murders so maybe a clearer head, an acknowledgement that all these experts might just have a point and the grass may not be greener on our own.
Steve Jones
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Steve Jones @Templegate_tips
Was struggling to decide on the EU - but now I know what David Beckham thinks
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Steve Jones @Templegate_tips
Was struggling to decide on the EU - but now I know what David Beckham thinks
rogerthebutler • June 21, 2016 1:39 PM BST
what the EU plan to do about the Greek deficit?
Presumably you mean debt? I believe they don't have a deficit after debt interest is removed. I think you would be better asking what the UK plans to do about its debt/deficit.
Of course, one has given up hoping for a coherent 'opinion' on the EU's policy re refugees / economic migrants / ISIS insurgents,
Please source the EU's policy on the above, in particular, "ISIS insurgents"?
Yep the Greek debt.
I was asking what the EU's policy was on, what everyone has handily conflagrated to the easily assimilated 'refugee' issue (which a human tragedy that should be addressed in afar more nuanced manner reference foreign policy towards Syria) rather than examine the exact, specific background and intentions of every person in the Calais Jungle / Lesbos / Lampedusa etc.
what the EU plan to do about the Greek deficit?
Presumably you mean debt? I believe they don't have a deficit after debt interest is removed. I think you would be better asking what the UK plans to do about its debt/deficit.
Of course, one has given up hoping for a coherent 'opinion' on the EU's policy re refugees / economic migrants / ISIS insurgents,
Please source the EU's policy on the above, in particular, "ISIS insurgents"?
Yep the Greek debt.
I was asking what the EU's policy was on, what everyone has handily conflagrated to the easily assimilated 'refugee' issue (which a human tragedy that should be addressed in afar more nuanced manner reference foreign policy towards Syria) rather than examine the exact, specific background and intentions of every person in the Calais Jungle / Lesbos / Lampedusa etc.
steve hawkes
steve hawkes @steve_hawkes
Has No.10 just received some private polling?
Told by source #remain's internal polling show two sides neck & neck. PM podium pitch? Aimed at turning out vote + turning older voters
steve hawkes @steve_hawkes
Has No.10 just received some private polling?
Told by source #remain's internal polling show two sides neck & neck. PM podium pitch? Aimed at turning out vote + turning older voters
rogerthebutler • June 21, 2016 2:13 PM BST
I was asking what the EU's policy was on, what everyone has handily conflagrated to the easily assimilated 'refugee' issue (which a human tragedy that should be addressed in afar more nuanced manner reference foreign policy towards Syria) rather than examine the exact, specific background and intentions of every person in the Calais Jungle / Lesbos / Lampedusa etc.
Still don't know what point you are making and how leaving the EU would help this crisis.
I was asking what the EU's policy was on, what everyone has handily conflagrated to the easily assimilated 'refugee' issue (which a human tragedy that should be addressed in afar more nuanced manner reference foreign policy towards Syria) rather than examine the exact, specific background and intentions of every person in the Calais Jungle / Lesbos / Lampedusa etc.
Still don't know what point you are making and how leaving the EU would help this crisis.
A quick poll on chit-chat shows leave well in the lead meanwhile back in the real world
remain wins hands down. You can be sure of this.
remain wins hands down. You can be sure of this.
Ah I see {remembers O' Level's and being told to 'Always Answer The Question'}
Europe does not have a policy towards refugees, other than a humanitarian, knee-jerk reactive one, which re-enforces our continents sense of liberal tolerance, whilst actually threatening that very value.
It cannot define a true refugee (fleeing a war) to an economic migrant, to an ISIS insurgent.
A Brexit vote would enable Britain to execute a fair and humanitarian policy of dealing with true refugees at source, engaging with these people to alleviate their suffering along the lines outlined, by among others Queen Rania of Jordan (a true country that is a true friend of Britain) and her amazing work at the Za'atari refugee camp.
This would mean we are dealing with refugees who are refugees, who have settled at their first safe place of residence and are prepared to engage in a process that values their lives and adherence to the rule of law - in sharp contrast to people of questionable backgrounds, with an exaggerated sense of entitlement, prepared to break the law in both dealing with people traffickers and then in endangering the lives and welfare of British lorry drivers.
Europe does not have a policy towards refugees, other than a humanitarian, knee-jerk reactive one, which re-enforces our continents sense of liberal tolerance, whilst actually threatening that very value.
It cannot define a true refugee (fleeing a war) to an economic migrant, to an ISIS insurgent.
A Brexit vote would enable Britain to execute a fair and humanitarian policy of dealing with true refugees at source, engaging with these people to alleviate their suffering along the lines outlined, by among others Queen Rania of Jordan (a true country that is a true friend of Britain) and her amazing work at the Za'atari refugee camp.
This would mean we are dealing with refugees who are refugees, who have settled at their first safe place of residence and are prepared to engage in a process that values their lives and adherence to the rule of law - in sharp contrast to people of questionable backgrounds, with an exaggerated sense of entitlement, prepared to break the law in both dealing with people traffickers and then in endangering the lives and welfare of British lorry drivers.
I can not find anybody in the real world who says that they will vote to remain in the EU. I think I will take a punt at LEAVE.
You do realise you will probably lose Dunlaying?
Personally I know about as many 'remaindears'(in the real world) as I do Brexiteers (in our little fairyland here)
Personally I know about as many 'remaindears'(in the real world) as I do Brexiteers (in our little fairyland here)
I get the impression that the majority of people at the company I work for will be voting to remain. 
from the guy who sold the gold for euros
Staying in the EU will create 'up to 500,000 jobs' in the UK, former Prime Minister Gordon Brown
Staying in the EU will create 'up to 500,000 jobs' in the UK, former Prime Minister Gordon Brown
yeah, 2 million more immigrants/terrorists for 1/2 million sweat shop jobs
Jun 21, 2016 -- 4:44PM, xmoneyx wrote:
from the guy who sold the gold for eurosStaying in the EU will create 'up to 500,000 jobs' in the UK, former Prime Minister Gordon Brown
We can't hear from the woman who sold all the council houses cos she's dead, but Sir Patrick Minford supported all her policies and he's a leading brexite.
re the gold I'm sure I read the essence of this story in a more mainstream publication:
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-07-10
/gordon-brown-sold-britain%E2%80%99s-gold-artificially
-low-prices-bail-out-large-ameri
Brown was just saving the world.......
xmoneyx 21 Jun 16 16:44 Joined: 12 Jul 11 | Topic/replies: 36,912 | Blogger: xmoneyx's blog
from the guy who sold the gold for euros
To his credit he did sell the worthless terrestral analogue airways for 3G use, for about £22.5bn....which never gets a mention when his bad gold deal gets banded about.
from the guy who sold the gold for euros
To his credit he did sell the worthless terrestral analogue airways for 3G use, for about £22.5bn....which never gets a mention when his bad gold deal gets banded about.
Mexican flag raised on border of Donald Trump's golf course ahead of Scottish visit 
TheBetterBettor
21 Jun 16 17:52
xmoneyx 21 Jun 16 16:44 Joined: 12 Jul 11 | Topic/replies: 36,912 | Blogger: xmoneyx's blog
from the guy who sold the gold for euros
To his credit he did sell the worthless terrestral analogue airways for 3G use, for about £22.5bn....which never gets a mention when his bad gold deal gets banded about.
Better still he sold the Tote for £265m when it wasn't even his to sell, the chiselling twatter!
21 Jun 16 17:52
xmoneyx 21 Jun 16 16:44 Joined: 12 Jul 11 | Topic/replies: 36,912 | Blogger: xmoneyx's blog
from the guy who sold the gold for euros
To his credit he did sell the worthless terrestral analogue airways for 3G use, for about £22.5bn....which never gets a mention when his bad gold deal gets banded about.
Better still he sold the Tote for £265m when it wasn't even his to sell, the chiselling twatter!
back to the op's question....
England fans who didnt bother to postal vote before jetting out to France.
England fans who didnt bother to postal vote before jetting out to France.
Better still he sold the Tote for £265m when it wasn't even his to sell, the chiselling twatter!
Lol
Lol
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