Could the EEC survive Brexit?

treacherous socialist scum

"One Labour MP argued that a Leave vote would not deliver a “mandate” to exit all EU institutions, and should, therefore, be creatively interpreted to remain in the single market – an EU component that would likely require Britain to maintain open borders."

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http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/06/mps-plot-ignore-brexit-vote-keep-borders-open/

todays Yougov poll

44 % leave
41% remain


Anyone would think we don't trust our politicians

anyone old enough to remember Neil Kinnock

he led labour to a famous UK Election defeat

His reward was to be appointed to the EU Commission - all unelected by the populace to represent their member country and to bring Laws to Europe.

You couldn't make it up

Is this democracy?

Glenys, now Baroness Kinnock was an elected MEP. I think they both did rather well out of the European Parliament.

Baroness Kinock
Total Salary £774,838
Total Allowances £4,630.989
Annual Pension £67,836

Lord Kinnock
Total Salary £1,846,419
Total Allowances £735,762
Annual Pension £96,857

hard to imagine it would last very long

can't think the german and french people will be very happy to have to pick up the tab for what we won't be paying any more

bix you missed the bit off when Kinnock sacked an EU accountant because she refused to sign off the books as being correct

when our economy is collapsing and the French and German economies are doing fine they will be more than happy to pick up the tab.

A net contribution of £8-9 billions may sound like a lot of money, but divide by more than 400 million people in the rest of the EU and it works out to something like £20 per person per year. I make that much money in an hour. Basically it's pocket change. I hope the UK remains in the EU, but it's not at all because of your net contribution to the budget. That's pretty irrelevant in the greater scheme of things. And no, it's not so much money that remaining countries can't deal with it.

A more interesting question is if the UK is interested in remaining a member of the EEA in case of Brexit, or what kind of deal you hope to negotiate? Close the door to all foreigners and trade using WTO tariffs?

Btw, the EEC doesn't exist any longer. I was thinking of the EEA when I wrote the post above

as long as your making 20 quid plus an hour who cares about the next generation eh?

builders on less money now than 10 years ago,but 20 quid an hour pocket change to you.

There was some list of statistics the other day (was it This Week?) about the support for their country leaving the EU in other countries, and it was very surprisingly high right across Europe. It's not just us. I think Holland was particularly high. I see online a poll in Holland in February was only 1% different stay/remain, excluding don't knows, that's more "Nedxit" than we were in Feb.

So the UK being the start of a flood of leavers isn't so far fetched.

In Sweden one poll showed 49% remain and 25% leave or something like that.

Mr A France, Germany and the UK pay 2/3rds combined of the EU budget, let some other mugs pick up the tab.

Close the door to all foreigners

Making up policy there I see. It doesn't help the debate.

So what kind of relationship with the EU are you going for in case of Brexit then? (I'm genuinely interested.) Something like that of Norway or Switzerland who both have agreed to free movement of workers?

I don't know Mr Anderson - you'd best ask David Cameron, since he works for US.

We, the British people will have delivered the mandate, now it's up to him to execute it.

My idea? A bespoke deal, based on the new found democratic, economic and political strength imbued in a Britain free from the shackles, bureaucracy and financial burden of the EEC negotiating with a Europe now on the back foot as a major contributor to the circus has upped sticks and the emperors new clothes have been revealed to the citizens of the rest of the continent, who are beginning to ask questions of their leaders regarding the great United States of Europe experiment.

The polls predicted a hung parliament at the last general election, was a majority win, polls schmolls.
I'd be amazed if the UK left, gobsmacked even.

ONE of Britain’s biggest investors has warned that the UK will be heading for a financial disaster in the next three years if voters back Remain in the EU referendum.

Jim Mellon, who was one of a small number of people to spot the banking crisis of 2007, has urged voters to back Leave and warned that the taxpayer will pick up a huge bill if it stays in the EU.

This is why there is so much pressure being asserted to Remain, with a lot of that pressure no doubt coming from the EU itself. The unelected powers of the EU know their federal superstate dream is well on the way to a slow and painful death, as they are in dire straits.

The Greek debt crisis has not been dealt with. It's yet another proverbial can kicked down the road again and again, something similar to keep swapping between Balance Transfer credit cards. Greece will never, ever re-pay that debt and anyone who tells you otherwise is full of ****.

So, at some point they are going to either have to default, or it's going to require some sensible restructuring to something they could possibly pay off. The Remain side will tell you that we have a veto on paying for such a bailout, but there WILL be the usual stitch up, so the bailout will officially come via the IMF (which we are a member of) and where we have NO veto.

At the point, someone is going to lose out, as there will need to be an 'adjustment' and the financial markets will wobble, as they always do when the Greek debt question comes around every couple of years or so. However, do you honestly think the banking corporations are going to take that hit? Not a ******* chance. It will be the taxpayers of Europe and other countries who ultimately make up the shortfall.

If a country such as the UK, one of the EU's biggest net contributors, leaves the EU, it will develop into rats deserting a sinking ship within the next decade. If we remain, I suspect it will naturally implode within 2 decades, if not before.

Personally, I'd rather take my chances now while there's a lifeboat available, than get sucked under when it sinks.

Sensible posts last two

But will we have the bottle to leave...????

If the EU want us to remain, simple, let us control our own borders.

If not we leave...but we must vote to leave, only then will they take us seriously.

I want the EU parliament to sing the Gloria Gaynor classic "I will survive" when the UK leave.

net contributor....but how much does the uk make from being in the eu?

recent forecast in the eu/us trade deal suggest the eurozone would make about 100bil....the benefit of us being in the eu isnt mentioned but the odds are we benefit more from being in it than the net 8bil we pay.

but because no one puts a figure on it i think most people simply think its costs us 8 bil...in fact some will look at the gross payment and think its that lol

if tory remainers told the truth there,d be a 80% plus out vote, we are in it for the single market alone, the clubs that good we,re trying for opt outs on everything else with remainers such as cameron and osbourne gleefully bragging on live tv that if any of our fellow club members such as greece,italy,spain,portugal,ireland etc needed some help or a handout they wont be getting it from us,what a joyful club this seems to be,with its leaders and main contributors germany,france etc warning of stark reprisals for anyone wanting to leave,

@G1_Jockey_4

recent forecast in the eu/us trade deal suggest the eurozone would make about 100bil....the benefit of us being in the eu isnt mentioned but the odds are we benefit more from being in it than the net 8bil we pay.

That'll be the proposed TTIP deal... do you really want to sign up for that? £100 billion, divided by 28 countries. Okay, I realise it would/should be divided up on a pro-rata basis, but even so, are you willing to give US corporations the right to sue democratically elected governments when things don't go their way?

I'm not sure anyone has put an exact cost benefit on the entire benefit of EU membership, although I'm sure George will give you a favourable forecast to the nearest penny if you ask him nicely.

It's the intangibles you can never put a price on... the increased volumes of traffic on our roads causing delays, the additional weeks and months waiting for doctors or hospital appointments, the cost of keeping foreign criminals in our prisons, the hassle of having to get your children to a school further away because your nearest one is full up. We, as country, are heading very quickly towards breaking point. All this stuff costs money. Who do you think is paying for it, either through taxation or quality of life? Access to the single EU market is one of the Remain sides biggest arguments, but ordinary people have bought/sold/traded goods with each other for centuries. Anyone would think the EU dreamt up the entire concept of trade and have some kind of patent on it!

The increased volume of traffic as a result of uncontrolled immigration is never mentioned by politicians but we all know that the road system now grinds to a halt all too easily because of the sheer numbers of vehicles on the roads. Like hospitals and schools they have no plans to solve the problem. Cameron seems to think that because the economy will be strong if we stay in it will somehow sort itself out.

a survey done by one of the Dutch's top selling newspapers shows 88% of them also want a referendum

The Dutch pay nearly 4 times per person to the EU  the amount that we do and they are not getting as much economic benefit. It's less surprising that they want out.