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Three ducks, a moorhen and two baby geese have been shot dead at a village pond.
Hampshire Constabulary branded the air rifle attacks in Hartley Wintney "disgusting".
Another duck was shot in the head with an air rifle but was taken by a villager to a vet, and is expected to make a full recovery.
The shootings happened between Monday evening and Tuesday afternoon, police said.
PC Geoff Hill said: "The duck pond is at the heart of the village and has provided amusement for generations of families.
"It is disgusting that someone should curtail this by killing innocent and defenceless wildlife."
What scum would do this ?
Hampshire Constabulary branded the air rifle attacks in Hartley Wintney "disgusting".
Another duck was shot in the head with an air rifle but was taken by a villager to a vet, and is expected to make a full recovery.
The shootings happened between Monday evening and Tuesday afternoon, police said.
PC Geoff Hill said: "The duck pond is at the heart of the village and has provided amusement for generations of families.
"It is disgusting that someone should curtail this by killing innocent and defenceless wildlife."
What scum would do this ?
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Much kinder than the Halal slaughter method though don't you think?
Yes Ron, but you are not, are you?
An air rifle is not an appropriate weapon for killing adult ducks.
Halal slaughter is synonymous with the usual methods of slaughter of large animals, as long as the animal is stunned first, which for the most part (according to the RSPCA and other sources) it is. I know you don't like the silly hat, the curved knife and the prayers, but that is all irrelevant to the animal once stunned.
An air rifle is not an appropriate weapon for killing adult ducks.
Halal slaughter is synonymous with the usual methods of slaughter of large animals, as long as the animal is stunned first, which for the most part (according to the RSPCA and other sources) it is. I know you don't like the silly hat, the curved knife and the prayers, but that is all irrelevant to the animal once stunned.
Ron - forgot to add, your Supermarket Sunday bird is almost invariably gassed to death anyway.
http://www.scotland.police.uk/about-us/finance/service-fees-and-charges/fire...
originally all i was getting at was, it's surprising facts feels so strongly
against a few ducks being shot in a village - but never speaks out against barbaric Halal
slaughter
against a few ducks being shot in a village - but never speaks out against barbaric Halal
slaughter
Grey squirrels and rabbits are my speciality.
Cannae whaic a combination burger with fresh herbs.
YEAH!
Cannae whaic a combination burger with fresh herbs.
YEAH!
trilby - me too, but even with a .22, anything but close range is not good.
ron - you just don't get it do you? You always mention Halal and never mention Shechita. You always say its barbaric without drawing the obvious distinction between stunned and non-stunned. You admit "point taken" then off you go again......
ron - you just don't get it do you? You always mention Halal and never mention Shechita. You always say its barbaric without drawing the obvious distinction between stunned and non-stunned. You admit "point taken" then off you go again......
Ron I think you are muddling me up with Facts - on this thread it is me that "feels strongly", not him
All animals stunned first. If you believe that .................. 
are you saying it's the law here to be stunned first?
yes, i think the Jewish way is as barbaric for me.
yes, i think the Jewish way is as barbaric for me.
It's bout time these religions dropped this barbaric cr@p about it was said in this book etc.
Genesis 9:4King James Version (KJV)
4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
absolute load of codswallop, do the kindest most humane way possible for the animal.
bollox to all the so called fairy tale religion.
Genesis 9:4King James Version (KJV)
4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
absolute load of codswallop, do the kindest most humane way possible for the animal.
bollox to all the so called fairy tale religion.
Best put facts thread about the village ducks back on track.
Yes not nice facts, bound to be some low life
Yes not nice facts, bound to be some low life
Ron - as I have posted before, and your regular post several times, I am not in favour of slaughter WITHOUT pre-stunning. and no, pre-stunning is not a legal requirement.
To answer Akabula's question, no one thinks that "all" animals are stunned before "sticking" (throat slit) nor is this ever claimed by anyone. But, all the evidence is that for the vast majority of large animals this is the case. There are multiple sources for this, although most of the evidence relates to ceremonial/religious killing. No one ever seems to measure "normal" slaughterhouses, although of course pre stunning is the norm there.
To answer Akabula's question, no one thinks that "all" animals are stunned before "sticking" (throat slit) nor is this ever claimed by anyone. But, all the evidence is that for the vast majority of large animals this is the case. There are multiple sources for this, although most of the evidence relates to ceremonial/religious killing. No one ever seems to measure "normal" slaughterhouses, although of course pre stunning is the norm there.
Ron - "Best put facts thread about the village ducks back on track".
Good idea, but aren't you the one that thought that shooting the ducks with an inappropriate airgun was preferable to having them killed via a process that has as its main tenet, the avoidance of animal suffering.
Good idea, but aren't you the one that thought that shooting the ducks with an inappropriate airgun was preferable to having them killed via a process that has as its main tenet, the avoidance of animal suffering.
is there a link you could post regarding the
all the evidence is that for the vast majority of large animals this is the case.
Comment? i take it you mean the vast majority of big animals are stunned first?
all the evidence is that for the vast majority of large animals this is the case.
Comment? i take it you mean the vast majority of big animals are stunned first?
RIP Three ducks, a moorhen and two baby geese .
Is there a fund up yet ?
Is there a fund up yet ?
http://www.rspca.org.uk/getinvolved/campaign/slaughter.
The first page of this site will help. There are loads of others available with a bit of googling.
The first page of this site will help. There are loads of others available with a bit of googling.
This is from 2014 but it is a good summary imo
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/what-is-halal-meat-the-big-questions-about-religious-slaughter-answered-9331519.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/what-is-halal-meat-the-big-questions-about-religious-slaughter-answered-9331519.html
Thanks - viewed the first one & you'd really like/hope that to be true.
It seems to sit on the fence a bit though,
Current law requires animals to be stunned before slaughter
However, exemptions are allowed that permit non-stun slaughter for religious purposes, i.e. Muslim and Jewish communities.
We acknowledge that religious beliefs and practices should be respected. However, all animals should be treated humanely at the time of killing and therefore be stunned prior to slaughter.
It seems to sit on the fence a bit though,
Current law requires animals to be stunned before slaughter
However, exemptions are allowed that permit non-stun slaughter for religious purposes, i.e. Muslim and Jewish communities.
We acknowledge that religious beliefs and practices should be respected. However, all animals should be treated humanely at the time of killing and therefore be stunned prior to slaughter.
Ron - not sure the RSPCA (AND I am no particular fan of this organisation for unrelated reasons) are sitting on the fence. They are campaigning for 100% pre-stunning.
The bl**dy Indy, the grauniads sad twin, when is that rag just going to up and die properly 
Just Checking, best just to rely on that other left wing organisation, the RSPCA then. If you are interested in the subject, there are loads of other sources that you might feel able to trust.
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The RSPCA modelled their uniforms on the uniforms of the STAASI, that's well known, and place East German bugging devices in their dog and cat chips. Bl**dy commies the lot of them.
I do not care what religion these scum had
I find them disgusting killing innocent birds
I would like to take their air rifle, stick it where the sun don't shine, and pull the trigger
I find them disgusting killing innocent birds
I would like to take their air rifle, stick it where the sun don't shine, and pull the trigger
I support the RSPCA, but I question their judgement at times????
They are at their best trying to protect the nations pets from some of their owners...that is enough.
That is the RSPCA people love and know...I do support them in this.
They are at their best trying to protect the nations pets from some of their owners...that is enough.
That is the RSPCA people love and know...I do support them in this.
Things like racing, hunting...this should not be their bag
Poor IAN Mohammed has gone awfully quiet since he was asked the awkward question as to whether the shooting of these birds bore comparison with the revolting practice of Halal slaughter.
Then again I would expect nothing less from IAN than his complete silence on Halal slaughter, given that it's the tradition of the Peace-Loving Community he pretends to love.
Of course he has an undisclosed number (believed to be ZERO) of Peace-Loving "Refugees" from Syria staying at his gaffe in the lovely quiet village in which he is domiciled. Allah help him if he isn't serving them free food and drink to the standards THEY expect.
Then again I would expect nothing less from IAN than his complete silence on Halal slaughter, given that it's the tradition of the Peace-Loving Community he pretends to love.
Of course he has an undisclosed number (believed to be ZERO) of Peace-Loving "Refugees" from Syria staying at his gaffe in the lovely quiet village in which he is domiciled. Allah help him if he isn't serving them free food and drink to the standards THEY expect.
HALAL slaughter should abide by our laws...which does mean pre stunning.
facts caused a right load of trouble starting a thread like this!
Why do people call the OP Ian
I doubt he would divulge his name
I doubt he would divulge his name
Alan - I have no idea who Ian Mohammed is but, of course the shooting of these birds has some relevance to Halal "slaughter". They both involve the killing of animals
The first is a totally inappropriate method of unnecessarily killing wild animals. The second is a legal, but unacceptable to some, method of killing animals for food. Many arguments for and against this are presented on this thread.
Did you read this thread at all.
The first is a totally inappropriate method of unnecessarily killing wild animals. The second is a legal, but unacceptable to some, method of killing animals for food. Many arguments for and against this are presented on this thread.
Did you read this thread at all.
Ebulgery - "HALAL slaughter should abide by our laws...which does mean pre stunning." Er, no it doesnt!!
Alun - re my 01.04 post. Apologies for getting your name wrong.
Alun - I know its late but I just took the time to read the whole thread. You hadn't read it at all when you posted at 23.01? Had you? Still the subject is worthy of debate so don't go away.
The debate is do we do what's best for the animals or do
we bend over backwards to cater for barbaric beliefs from fairy tale religions from
donkeys years ago.
we bend over backwards to cater for barbaric beliefs from fairy tale religions from
donkeys years ago.
The number of animals killed in halal abattoirs without being stunned first soared in the last year figures have revealed.
Campaigning by mulims for traditional methods of slaughter has lead to a 60% rise in non pain free killings industry experts said.
Campaigning by mulims for traditional methods of slaughter has lead to a 60% rise in non pain free killings industry experts said.
Last year 2.4 million sheep and goats had their throats cut without being stunned first according to the British veterinary association
37% of sheep and goats, 25% of cattle and 16% of poultry were killed without being stunned first.
37% of sheep and goats, 25% of cattle and 16% of poultry were killed without being stunned first.
It's disgusting stats, & we're supposed to be an animal loving country.
Well we are to a certain degree.
We're allowing animals to be killed in barbaric ways to suit a sick cult.
Well we are to a certain degree.
We're allowing animals to be killed in barbaric ways to suit a sick cult.
what we need is a day out to the slaughter house, all the BBC Luvvies can witness
a poor defenseless animal having it's throat cut & more or less choking to death
on it's own blood - yes all good fun, it's part of our great diverse culture
a poor defenseless animal having it's throat cut & more or less choking to death
on it's own blood - yes all good fun, it's part of our great diverse culture
I see they've designed a new box blackbarn,
makes it a lot easier to cut the animals throat when rotated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S07SQl1IeJU
does anyone see a connection in the barbaric method of killing animals & the
barbaric things they do to humans, or is it just me?
makes it a lot easier to cut the animals throat when rotated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S07SQl1IeJU
does anyone see a connection in the barbaric method of killing animals & the
barbaric things they do to humans, or is it just me?
don't worry about your sodding ducks Facts.
..id be more concerned about whats going on in the real world behind closed doors
..id be more concerned about whats going on in the real world behind closed doors
nice for the animals blackbarn - screaming to death whilst bleeding
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE2svQFH_q0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE2svQFH_q0
blackbarn • May 29, 2016 1:06 AM BST
Ebulgery - "HALAL slaughter should abide by our laws...which does mean pre stunning." Er, no it doesnt!!
well it should
Ebulgery - "HALAL slaughter should abide by our laws...which does mean pre stunning." Er, no it doesnt!!
well it should
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