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kenny mann
25 Sep 15 10:36
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Delightful short film

http://www.countryliving.com/life/news/a35577/watch-a-cow-cuddle-with-the-rescuers-who-saved-her-from-the-slaughterhouse/
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Report kenny mann • September 25, 2015 10:37 AM BST
When the average person sees a cow, they doesn't necessarily think of it as being capable of love and affection on the same level as a dog or a (friendly) cat. But Salvador the cow proves that under the right circumstances, cattle can be just as cuddly as a newborn puppy.

Salvador had a difficult start in life, as the motherless little calf was forced to live in a filthy cage on a Chilean dairy farm awaiting the day it would be sent to the slaughterhouse. But then, Salvador was rescued by animal sanctuary Santuario Igualdad Interespecie, which offered the bovine beauty some very well-deserved love and care.

As you can see in this video, the sweet cow doesn't hesitate to give all that affection right back to its rescuers:
Report rob_dylan • September 25, 2015 10:45 AM BST
What do you feed your cats again Kenny?  I honestly don't know but I am thinking of getting a cat and want it to be vegan.
Report kenny mann • September 25, 2015 10:48 AM BST
I feed it food, works best I reckon.
Report rob_dylan • September 25, 2015 11:01 AM BST
Found this site...

http://store.vegancats.com/vegan-cat-food-c1.aspx

It is expensive but then you can't put a price on the well being of your cat or indeed all animals.
Report Makybe_Diva • September 25, 2015 11:04 AM BST
That's a lovely video, Kenny. Then I made the mistake of clicking on one of the other videos at the end of it Sad
Report kenny mann • September 25, 2015 2:03 PM BST
I've actually ordered from there, rob, and fed them the productsb with some free range chicken.

It is indeed, MK, and there's another nice one with the horse and his cancer ridden owner.
Report Makybe_Diva • September 25, 2015 2:08 PM BST
That would be too sad, Kenny Sad
Report rob_dylan • September 25, 2015 2:37 PM BST
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/shocking-images-show-horrific-cruelty-6510449

rabbits in pet food.  I am getting closer and closer to being a proper vegetarian.  Not sure about vegan, cheese is so fkin good.
Report kenny mann • September 25, 2015 2:39 PM BST
It's not toooooooo bad.

Try this instead

http://www.countryliving.com/life/kids-pets/a36218/tiny-horse-chasing-owner-video/

Watch as the sweet horse runs, moving his short legs as fast as he possibly can. When the little one catches up to his handler, he even wags his tail like a puppy. The endless love he already has for his human is the most heartwarming thing we've seen all week.

After catching the hearts of everyone on the internet, the owner even filmed the below follow-up video that will push you over the cuteness edge. While the tiny baby stays true to his new "velcro horse" title, we advise jumping to 1:25, when the horse gets stuck in a gate that he tried to walk through. He may be determined, but this little bundle of joy is still trying to find his place in the world!
Report kenny mann • September 25, 2015 2:41 PM BST
vegetarian is good, rob. Then you know almost no animal has suffered to feed your belly;.
Report kenny mann • September 25, 2015 2:44 PM BST
In complete contrast to the lucky cow above. A short extract.

Hungry, thirsty, scared, dying

These calves would still be suckling from their mothers, but the vehicles didn’t even have drinking points they were able to use. And we repeatedly witnessed calves being roughly handled, whipped and hit. At Midia port in Romania one worker violently prodded calves with a stick, whilst another kicked a cow that had collapsed, to move it out of the way. It was not clear whether this animal was dead or unable to stand.
Report terry mccann • September 25, 2015 4:46 PM BST
the way most humans treat their fellow human,
it stands to reason they will treat animals so badly,tis the way of the worldSad
Report rob_dylan • September 25, 2015 5:00 PM BST
Are you a vegetarian too Terry?
Report rob_dylan • September 25, 2015 5:03 PM BST
To be honest the reason the animals are treated badly isn't, largely, because there are humans that just enjoy torturing animals, it is because it is cheaper and more efficient to do so.  Governments should step in and make more stringent rules imo, though the consumer has a lot of blood on their hands too.  Most turn a blind eye, or use some sort of distorted logic to justify the treatment.
Report terry mccann • September 25, 2015 5:16 PM BST
hi rob,no m8,love the taste too much and would find food to bland without it
Report blackbarn • September 25, 2015 5:52 PM BST
Not wishing to convert anyone but assuming you eat dairy, you almost have an obligation to help dispose of the by-product -  British Rose Veal is healthy, humane and very tasty.  You'll be helping our dairy industry and avoiding the exportation of live calves.
Report kenny mann • September 25, 2015 6:34 PM BST
Not being funny, but could you or someone explain that in idiot terms please, blackbarn.
Report Pinot Noir • September 25, 2015 7:39 PM BST
As you say Kenny. Delightful indeed.
Report Coachbuster • September 25, 2015 7:54 PM BST
yes,Rose Veal is definately a good way to go for the meat eaters out there as it indirectly saves other animals as the veal calves would be killed anyway  .

Rose veal is said to be really tasty as well -
Report Eeternaloptimist • September 25, 2015 8:00 PM BST
Nature is a wonderful thing. There are so many examples of animals appearing to act out of character where they can seem to take pity or exhibit maternalistic instinct for an animal not of their own. We are only at the very beginning of scratching the surface in our understanding of such a vast array of wonderful beautiful creatures. So I ask people a simple question. Do you really need to eat one? You don't just need to eat vegetables. Go into your local supermarket and get yourself a selection of Quorn or Linda Macartney products and try them. They might not suit. Many just might. Either way you can say to yourself or others that hand on heart you tried. What more could non meat eaters ask of you? It's what I ask and you know I make sense. Wink
Report rob_dylan • September 25, 2015 8:05 PM BST
I often use quorn instead of mince.  I often use nothing instead of mince.  Even made a sausage casserole the other day but just didnt put the sausages in, was delicious with baked spuds.  Dunno if I shall go proper vege (probably involves making an announcement of some sort and then looking daft if you fail) but I am virtually vege these days. 

I think I would find it harder to give up cheese than meat.
Report blackbarn • September 25, 2015 8:35 PM BST
kenny mann - "Not being funny, but could you or someone explain that in idiot terms please, blackbarn."

I will assume you are serious, and stick with cattle for simplicity. You cannot have milk, (or cream or cheese) without pregnancy/birth. Birth produces calves, and in the case of female calves the process continues happily onward. In the case of male calves, they are mostly of little value, and are/were destroyed directly after birth and/or exported to the continent for veal (often in poor circumstances). UK Veal production, when properly managed avoids both of these outcomes and results in the production of what is now known as rose veal.
Most butchers (and major supermarkets) can now supply this excellent and tasty meat.
Report Eeternaloptimist • September 25, 2015 9:12 PM BST
Rob

Vegan is a bit hard core for me I must confess but I know you do like your triathlon. Dave Scott the most famous ironman of all time who took part in the iron wars with Mark (can't remember his surname) spent his prime iron man years as a vegan. Any legal advantage was one he was happy to experiment with. If memory serves me right the greatest of their wars was when Scott came out of retirement at 42 and came second only finally being broken a couple of miles from the end after they had gone toe to toe for a two and a half mile swim, 112 mile bike and full marathon for over eight hours.

Such men aren't born. They're carved.
Report Eeternaloptimist • September 25, 2015 9:21 PM BST
Remiss of me not to give a great competitor his full name. Mark Allen. I think Scott was 2nd at 40 and fifth at 42. I'm blaming my gaps in memory on a rather delightful stout this evening. Vegetarian of course. Laugh
Report kenny mann • September 25, 2015 9:43 PM BST
Cheers blackbarn,CIWF have been campaigning to get veal on our plates for a while.
Report FlowerMyth • September 26, 2015 12:22 AM BST
Dave Scott, 2012:

I was predominantly on a plant-based diet [in the 80s]. One of the drawbacks I had to fulfill that caloric deficit by taking in other foods ... the rage then was to eat carbohydrates ... I was eating way way too many simple carbohydrates and we know now that simple carbohydrates are really bad for your whole blood profile and are really a nutrient-denseless food. If you're leaning towards a vegetarian or vegan diet that does not have milk or eggs you want to make sure you have a blood panel done once or twice a year ... I still eat a tremendous amount of plant-based food but I introduced fish in 1994 and also chicken and turkey. I feel as though since that time period my diet has been much much healthier.

Never was a vegan, from what he said there. So if he feels 'much much' healthier than when eating all those carbs what must he have felt like when he looked healthy and at the top of his game? he's obviously changed his tune considerably, but a class act though, much to admire about him.
Report akabula • September 26, 2015 12:59 AM BST
Lovely wee vid Kenny.
Report kenny mann • September 26, 2015 1:22 AM BST
It certainly is matey.
Report akabula • September 26, 2015 1:35 AM BST
The veal situation is an enigma.
Even when I was a meat eater I couldn't bring myself to eat either veal or lamb.
I found it repulsive that animals so young were killed for the food chain.
However knowing what I know now maybe the lesser of the two evils is best although I still couldn't eat it.
Report kenny mann • September 26, 2015 1:41 AM BST
Well I definately wouldn't, but as blackbarn explained far better to promote it here than have it have to travel on long arduous journeys, with an untimely end.
Report kenny mann • September 26, 2015 1:42 AM BST
siht, is that the time! Laters.
Report kenny mann • September 26, 2015 1:49 AM BST
Even when I was a meat eater I couldn't bring myself to eat either veal or lamb.


Are you a vegetarian then, aka? That's sounds a dumb question given the above.
Report kenny mann • September 26, 2015 1:49 AM BST
That*
Report bodil • September 26, 2015 1:53 AM BST
I couldn't possibly give up meat now.  But if I were 'starting again' I would cut down greatly.  Today meat-eating is so industrially cruel, so wasteful of grain, so polluting in terms of excrement and methane, that only crazy people would continue as before.
Report Eeternaloptimist • September 26, 2015 1:58 AM BST
You may surprise yourself Bodil. As my old pappy used to say, there's no such thing as can't.
Report akabula • September 26, 2015 2:00 AM BST
I was never a great lover of meat Kenny although a bacon sarnie was a must and I did enjoy a steak.
Slowly but surely weaned myself off. I still eat fish though.
Report Eeternaloptimist • September 26, 2015 2:01 AM BST
We all change our tune given advances in knowledge about food Flower but if I'm reading him right to compete and win endurance based events largely on the back of simple carbs is frankly amazing. Everybody knows the benefits now of complex carbs but of course we are talking nearly 30 years ago when he was in his prime. Imagine what he could have done with a decent diet? Laugh
Report Eeternaloptimist • September 26, 2015 2:02 AM BST
The only meat I chew on is minge. Lashings of it. Wink
Report bodil • September 26, 2015 2:03 AM BST
In the early 70s I recall eating something called KESP in Indian restaurants in Newcastle instead of beef (they called it beef of course).  Excellent stuff - just like beef but no gristle or fat.  What happened to that?
Report Eeternaloptimist • September 26, 2015 2:03 AM BST
You can't beat a bit of Flap Pie.
Report Eeternaloptimist • September 26, 2015 2:06 AM BST
It's rat bodil but the damned health and safety knocked it on the head. Not the rat itself of course. Just the serving. Did you ever get the tail?
Report Eeternaloptimist • September 26, 2015 2:07 AM BST
Laugh

Sorry couldn't resist. I think it was a forerunner of the soya based meat alternatives we get now.
Report bodil • September 26, 2015 2:11 AM BST
But it had fibre and felt like beef.  The agricultural-industrial-political monster in the US must have killed it.
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