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22 May 15
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A done deal apparently....
Whats the point of having a referendum?
Whats the point of having a referendum?
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Sadly, they are great odds.
When the time comes to vote, many will have recieved letters at the work place, warning of job insecurity if the vote does not go the way that the Establishment and EU insist it must.
Cameron and the cabinet will have been advised by the bosses at the banks, little risk for them imo they will all expect to carry on as normal after the vote.
Not enough Nationalist`s to beat the Germans in this generation i fear.
When the time comes to vote, many will have recieved letters at the work place, warning of job insecurity if the vote does not go the way that the Establishment and EU insist it must.
Cameron and the cabinet will have been advised by the bosses at the banks, little risk for them imo they will all expect to carry on as normal after the vote.
Not enough Nationalist`s to beat the Germans in this generation i fear.
There has to be change though.
The CoHR has far too much of a say and we must be free to have some control on our borders as regards other EU citizens.
The right to claim benefits must also be challenged.
Far outgrown it's original aims and needs drawing back.
The CoHR has far too much of a say and we must be free to have some control on our borders as regards other EU citizens.
The right to claim benefits must also be challenged.
Far outgrown it's original aims and needs drawing back.
think freedom of movement is great.
just tighten up benefit rules like the europeans do with other eu migrants.
dont allow loopholes so we have cheap labour coverage sorted for businesses who want to pay higher divis....
just tighten up benefit rules like the europeans do with other eu migrants.
dont allow loopholes so we have cheap labour coverage sorted for businesses who want to pay higher divis....
also people who could cash in on their house price gains could move somewhere sunny and buy dirt cheap...
why stop them?
why stop them?
I wouldn't stop them or freedom of movement but I would put conditions on it.
The scaremongering from the BBC and most of the media will ensure the
people vote to stay in.
people vote to stay in.
Unfortunately that is very true, Sica Dan. I wouldn't be a player at 1.36 though.
The funny thing is if we weren't in the EU and there was an upcoming referendum on joining I reckon staying out would be heavy odds on.
The British people will be fooled once again.
The funny thing is if we weren't in the EU and there was an upcoming referendum on joining I reckon staying out would be heavy odds on.
The British people will be fooled once again.
Akabula`s point about human rights is correct, lawyers have been the beneficiaries of that law along with murderer`s, crooks, and all sorts of minority attention seekers.
The whole EU parliament is costly beyond belief, no sense of balancing the books or value for the taxpayer, this kind of behaviour is to be expected from un-elected beuraucrats.
One of the scary things for me though is that it appears to be completely run by banks and big busness, more so, than even our individual nations.
Peter Mandelson resigned twice from blair`s cabinet due to finance of a mortgage, blair helps him to land a top job at the EU and fairly soon his wealth was estimated at tens of millions, due mainly to his close friendship with the Rothschilds.
Would like to see the end of this expensive mistake, return borders to nations, and stop the easy movement of the most un-desirable of murderer`s and paedofile`s
The whole EU parliament is costly beyond belief, no sense of balancing the books or value for the taxpayer, this kind of behaviour is to be expected from un-elected beuraucrats.
One of the scary things for me though is that it appears to be completely run by banks and big busness, more so, than even our individual nations.
Peter Mandelson resigned twice from blair`s cabinet due to finance of a mortgage, blair helps him to land a top job at the EU and fairly soon his wealth was estimated at tens of millions, due mainly to his close friendship with the Rothschilds.
Would like to see the end of this expensive mistake, return borders to nations, and stop the easy movement of the most un-desirable of murderer`s and paedofile`s
if someone is going to evade detection they will more than likely do so till they get found out.
that applies to a lithuanian getting past border security or a brits doing so past spanish security.
you wont stop undesirables unless we have an organisation to concentrate on it.....costs money and during austerity good luck on that.
main issue is what happens if we stop eu migrants coming here?
some say its good because we will gte higher wages ...nhs less crowded etc
imo thats a bit simplistic.
the economy has been streamlined the last decade ro so with the introduction of lower paid migrants.
increase in costs with less people to service will lead to unemployment.
rents would come down...so would housing benefits because of it.
but people will get into debt because they stupidly went into buy to lets ...now with negative equity and unemployment they cant subsidise their stupidity.
think the provisional understanding is right.
there is little potential upside and a lot of downside to pulling the plug.
but then again if migration shift happens due to freedom of movement wont this happen anyway.....yes imo.
its a lose lose situation.
that applies to a lithuanian getting past border security or a brits doing so past spanish security.
you wont stop undesirables unless we have an organisation to concentrate on it.....costs money and during austerity good luck on that.
main issue is what happens if we stop eu migrants coming here?
some say its good because we will gte higher wages ...nhs less crowded etc
imo thats a bit simplistic.
the economy has been streamlined the last decade ro so with the introduction of lower paid migrants.
increase in costs with less people to service will lead to unemployment.
rents would come down...so would housing benefits because of it.
but people will get into debt because they stupidly went into buy to lets ...now with negative equity and unemployment they cant subsidise their stupidity.
think the provisional understanding is right.
there is little potential upside and a lot of downside to pulling the plug.
but then again if migration shift happens due to freedom of movement wont this happen anyway.....yes imo.
its a lose lose situation.
The EU doesnt have to give 'jack' to cameron, like they did with him before when he tried to get Juncker out, and with Osbourne (I'll pay half now and half next year)....
They know that its 3 to 1 in favour of the UK staying in.....
So when cameron comes back fuming that the prisons will still be allowed to vote, because of the ECoHR, (a prerequisite of being in the EU).... Whats he going to recommend to us all, a 'NO' vote.....
I dont think so.
They know that its 3 to 1 in favour of the UK staying in.....
So when cameron comes back fuming that the prisons will still be allowed to vote, because of the ECoHR, (a prerequisite of being in the EU).... Whats he going to recommend to us all, a 'NO' vote.....
I dont think so.
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