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E. I don't believe petitions have any effect whatsoever and are possibly counter productive.

That's a popular theory but is not true as far as I know.

can't be much more counter productive to what's happening!

Well think of the decision makers - in industry, politics..any walk of life.Are any of them  likely to change because of a
list of names?

I'm not interested in any of that. Compassion In World Farming have had 100's of petitions on various animal abuse subjects, and a small percentage have had the desired effect.

I'm not interested in any of that. Compassion In World Farming have had 100's of petitions on various animal abuse subjects, and a small percentage have had the desired effect.

Here's one that worked

In response to the number of animal abuse cases in Thailand, an animal welfare bill was proposed to protect the safety of animals such as cats and dogs from abuse and neglect. A recent petition urged National Legislative Assembly Members to take action on this issue. This proposed law bars animal cruelty and punishes pet owners if they mistreat their pet animals by abusing or neglecting them. This law also allows officials to conduct searches of homes or businesses if they receive complaints regarding animal cruelty.

The bill was passed by the National Legislative Assembly of Thailand almost unanimously, with a 188 to 1 vote. This law protects domesticated pets, animals kept for food, and animals kept for entertainment or any other

Sorry to nit pick but the welfare bill was proposed prior to the petition and your post does not provide any evidence that the petition made any difference.

ok, to comment on your earlier statement, how on earth can the petitions I have highlghted be possibly counter productive, as in one instance the dogs are dead, and the other, the pigs are living a terrible existence?

I think Dobbo that some forms of protest are probably counter productive but I think it rare for a petition to have that effect.
For instance I don't like Morriseys approach with his Meat is Murder. I think that alienates people.
TMM we have to accept that meat is a very big part of the food chain and we should be trying to get the message across of dignity in life and death for these animals.
However petitions are focussed on mistreatment of animals either when being reared on the farms etc or at the slaughter house.

With respect, that's not true, aka'. Morrisseys MIM album converte more people to vegetarianism than anything before or after.

convertd* obviously

flippin' heck converted*

I didn't say that nobody had been converted because of it Kenny. The point I made was that statements like that alienate people.
I would rather accept meat as part of the food chain and concentrate on animal welfare within that.
By all means we should try to convert people away from meat but by a less aggressive way.

Well I think he did (and still does, no meat at his gigs) a marvellous job aka'.

The best way, is not to eat meat. That would stop a lot of animals being born, but what sort of a life do a lot of them have?

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about the 2 petitions for signatures regarding cruelty to dogs and pigs, on the " what's wrong with this photo thread"

A  Animal cruelty doesn't worry or concern me in the slightest, therefore I'm not signing.

B  I wasn't aware of the petitions, but I'll be signing them now.

C I've already signed them.

D To keep animals in good conditions prior to slaughter, would mean in all probability an increase in meat prices, and I'd rather them suffer in appalling conditions than find the few extra quid to pay for their relative luxury.

Thanks for taking part.

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Well I will have to disagree with you Kenny. TMM he overstates nearly everything.
I think that he probably converts and alienates in equal measures with many of his thoughts.
Trying to get from where we are in respect of animal welfare to meat being taken from the food chain is an impossibility.
I think that has to be accepted and more and more people made aware of just how cruel we are to animals.

kenny mann  • May 18, 2015 12:52 AM BST 
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Yer as bad as Morrisey.

C to the survey

Was a joke btw.

C

Nice one Burton

Any advance on 3 C's (spelling said he'd signed on another thread but that may have been just to shut me up )

Bs for me....will sign them.

Thank you Sir.

B  1
C  3

C

Even if Morrissey does alienate people, what are they going to do? Eat more meat?

B, maybe.

Thanks Mikael and MD


B2 (including the maybe)

C4

Tommy Toes 18 May 15 22:01
- I didn't mean that in a nasty way, by the way - but for gawds sake, can we just have a bit of bleedin' humour on here like it used to be, rather than these bloody miserable threads?


I must say I have to agree with Tommy, totally against animal cruelty, but none of the answers fit what I would put, so put me down as E) not dobbys one , but  none of the above.

ok, fair enough. We're all different. Thanks for reading mate.

@Mikael You miss the point. If you alienate people they won't sign petitions either.
A softer approach is all I'm advocating rather than Morrissey's aggressive way.
Chyte singer as well btw.

No worries, and I'm certainly not a cat lover, our one has been scratching on the back door for 10 minutes, it comes in when I decide as the missus has gone to bed, when she leaves the cat ain't coming with me.

Ah, you've got a cat. Bless.

Not for facking long, if I have my way it will be a pair of slippers soon.

hahahaha!

lol, let the feckin' thing in!

You're not natural, normal or kind, aka.

Signed the pig one btw, kenny. I don't like dogs so didn't bother with the other.

If you ever start one for gay old ugly bears, Mikael's your man Kenny.

Mikael D'Haguenet  • May 18, 2015 10:36 PM BST 
You're not natural, normal or kind, aka.

Not sure what you're getting at Mikael.
Not sure I give a feck either.

very funny spelling, thanks for signing Mikael.

Meat is Murder, aka. Not surprised you didn't get the reference!

No probs kenny, happy to.

The cats in now it ran straight upstairs into the missus room, after it had something to eat, now it will sleep for 10 hours come down with the missus for an hour then sleep all fecking day and out again tomorrow night for another 10 minutes, well one hour odd if I have my way, bleeding **** machines.

I'm not surprised you didn't get my meaning either Mikael.
I mean an Irishman living in England and interested mainly in Scottish politics.

S h I t t I n g f o r f u c k s s a k e

I'm very glad to hear you have let the cat in, Orson. I've been worrying about It

I've read the thread back, aka. Safe to say I still don't get what you're on about!

Well I hope you don't hold me to account for your failings.

Diva, you probably won't be saying that after reading the other thread.

I hold you to account for being cryptic. What was your meaning that I din't get?

I have understood everything Aka has posted on this thread.

Don't know which thread Orson is referring to, tho'

Mikael go away and annoy someone else please.
My days of trivial childish arguments are long gone.

No they aren't.

Thank you Diva. I'm all for animal welfare but think that people need to be won over by education rather than aggressiveness.

WTF is that? I made a joke you didn't get and now you get the hump?

Maybe Makybe Diva can explain it to me...

Update

B2 (including the maybe)

C4

A poor response but still a worth while exercise.

worthwhile before spelling gets here.

I don't know what it is you don't understand, MDH. All that Aka has posted on this thread makes sense.

instead of all this cosy sit-at-your-keyboard petitions bolllocks, why don't you get off your arse, do something proactive and then come back and report it to people who don't really give a flying fuuuck.

like i have.

Some people can't afford high welfare meat  and are not educated on the difference they just want it as cheap as poss.

I only have 5% battery power left.

Will look in again tomorrow.

Night all

apart from Morrissey being a carp singer. I love him and everything he stands for.

Firebombed Labarotoires Garnier again, Fishy?

it was Loreal actually. and it was worth it.

Fishy, this petition boloks CAN make a difference

Morrissey is a bit of a **** tbf, kenny. Great singer though!

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Some people can't afford high welfare meat  and are not educated on the difference they just want it as cheap as poss.


So is that you mate? In which case I'll mark you accordingly.

You seriously think that Chinese dogs one can make a difference kenny? They don't exactly have a stellar human rights record out there and don't give a f*ck what us westerners think about it. The dogs have no chance!

That wasn't my petition, Easter. Worth signing though, you never know.

might get a free meal out of it

You are a bit of a ****, fishy, with respect.

can't even spell it with a k. lol

No I buy my meat at wAitrose and we don't have it every night which most people do.

I was calling Morrissey a bit of a t0sser, btw. Can't believe that gets censored.

Fishy, your post reminds me of that Korean snack - Not Poodle.

I had Korean neighbours in London.

He knocked one day and said 'I'd like to walk your dog.'

I said 'Okay.' 

Never saw it again.

Diva,
It was the calling Tommy thread about 11 o clock, got to back on the footie Man U one for some more vitriol

B.

Vegetarian for thirty years in July, aiming to become a vegan after that.

B.

Thanks both

B 4 (INCLUDING THE MAYBE)

C 4

C

Well done foxy.

A fond good evening kenny, I have just given up on another nights sleep, got 2 hours last night, heart meds tend to do that, but on the plus side I can give you these links, the're not weird, I think you'll like them, first. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agczqfuj7pw .The end credits for under siege 2 dark territory. skip the first 12 seconds.  Second a blast from the near past, touted and backed by U2 as the greatest new band, The Hothouse Flowers It'll be easier in the morning, just up your street. ???

Forgot to say, the first song opens with the first verse by the fabulous Greg Allman, then  Abraham McDonald takes over for the remainder, all verses with vocal riffs, no "middle eight". It works!!

FFS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzwPz83UbuU  hothouse flowers

C

I'm certainly not opening that link BTF Hothouse flowers indeed.

I'll have a listen to those this evening aka', and give you my verdict.

Sorry to hear of your sleeping problems.

Have you tried lying on the very edge of the bed? You should soon drop off.

Thanks both

B 4 (INCLUDING THE MAYBE)

C 6

c done sir

Thank you kindly.



B 4 (INCLUDING THE MAYBE)

C 7