Please ignore me this evening

Why?

You`ll regret it in the morning. Drink solves nothing, just makes things worse. Drink should be a social pastime, having a drink, a laugh and a joke with friends. Drinking for the sake of getting drunk is stupid. No offence intended, just a bit of advice.

Hi Diva
Just very fed up with life & need to unwind not had a drink all week though which is very good for me & am cooking a nice beef dinner for later to enjoy
Hope you're ok

Well just have a couple of cans or glasses of wine or whatever it is you like.

You can still enjoy your evening without getting smashed out your head

I'm fine thanks btw.

Not got any friends left mac & even if I did go out I wouldn't get any dinner

You need to do something interesting in order to make some new friends.

Friends are very overrated  in my opinion.

I've known thousands of people in my time Diva , used to be a popular lad in my old town , but they all do you wrong in the end , the bigger person you are they all want a piece of you in one way or another , even family grind you down , maybe I like just getting drunk on my own , but it's a no win situation

MD

I was just thinking that myself.

They tap you and don`t pay back, pester you when you want peace and stick their noses in ones private business.

People who have friends wish they didn`t and people with none wish they had

However, no man`s an island and humans are social animals and need to interact.

However, no man`s an island

Funny you say that mac as I'm currently listening to Ben Howards album & as I read it blasted it out , class

Take it easy McMoon. I have to go.

you too mate , take care !


even my Beef looks off

cans gone .. now got a few nice bottles from Lidl .. Warlocks Broth & Autumn Blaze to experiment on

I will cook my food sometime soon ...................

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcvsNro1lbM

I may join you later :)

Do you play poker when drinking?

No mate ... only PG Tips

I'm considering quitting end of the year maybe make supernova  just to pay bills but there's no future in poker any longer unless you're an absolute world beater


Considering going pro gambler on here instead

I don't trust stats any longer Ovalman

How can I go from being top 5 player in the world to 10k downswings

Don't trust everything the industry tells you about variance

I do but generally only play MTTs when I do so. I certainly don't do my daily grind when boozing.

Just reading 2P2 this afternoon and my thinking is also changing about the game. Margins are being squeezed year after year. I can understand how your struggling as players are becoming better but also poker sites are trying to make those margins tighter. Those Spin and Goes are ruining it for Sit and Go players as all the fish are migrating to them. I don't play Stars much but I completed the Mission Week the other day and broke even at $1.50 6 Max STTs. Every table had 4 regs and I'd say long term it would be hard to make any sort of a profit even at these stakes without table selecting.

I'd reckon some time in the future, even the peasant stakes STTs will become unbeatable, cash tables will be full of unbeatable bots and only MTTs and other non standard games like Stud (where you can't use a HUD) will you be able to churn over any sort of a profit.

I still love the game, I make decent pocket money from it but it would be hard to go pro in the current climate.

As I said McMoon, I think you've went stagnant, the game has evolved and players have got better. If someone picks up a stat/ tell on you they will exploit it every time. I still make loads of mistakes but I target players who make more than me. I also try and plug those leaks that I make every day. It's a never ending process of learning.

I also think table selection is the most important thing you can do to help your win-rate. Avoid decent players and only play games where you have decent notes on opponents. A table full of regs (even bad ones) is really hard to beat. Chase those whales as it's the bad players who make you money. You don't make money by your own brilliance but by the mistakes of others.

Players aren't better though , the very top players are terrible , but definitely not weak so they will beat out the weaker players , but I'm not one of them .

If I showed you all my bad beats for the day you wouldn't really believe it , and this is every day , every week , 365 days of the year , now I Fully understand variance unlike some , but this borders on criminality .

No offence Ovalman , but you just fear stronger players , the fact is I can play them , and outplay them , it's the bad beats that kill me , nothing else !!

Hope you are OK McM, the loose cannons on line make it tough when they play rubbish and don't understand the percentages. My Ma is in intensive care again, I don't think she'll get out of this time

But you don't keep records or use tracking software to know. The amount of sets I've run into these past couple of days is unbelievable but I know it's just part of the overall way our brain is wired to notice them. I know when I run the races report that the stats will be within the norm. You should download and pay for HEM or PT just to analyse your own play, it only costs a fraction of your daily turnover. You can keep the HUD switched off if you need to, I done this at the start when I first used it.

And yes, I avoid decent players, you don't win money from players of a similar ability to yourself. You win money from players making mistakes.

^^ sorry to hear that Slippy

MC, no advice from me I got smashed Fri night just to give my head a rest, as said earlier it doesn't help, but for a few glorious hours.................................
Slippy very sorry to hear that.

Hey Slippy
I'm very sorry to hear that , I read a few months back she wasn't well , but was in too bad of a state myself at the time to take it all in & reply to you , as with your offer of a phone call which I still appreciate & would be happy for a quick chat whenever you feel like it as I consider you a good friend

but maybe it's for the best

Keep your chin up mate , any Nfl bets this evening ?

I have used tracking software in the past Ovalman , but I had a 7% Roi which was as Solid as it gets online , then dropped to 5% with more volume which was decent , now my Roi isn't even visable , so maybe more valuable , or just downright deceiving

Whatever my Allin percentage is it's not right , though you're right players are a lot tougher as a Whole , not individually

I'm going to get my stats from stars at the end of this year

But every player I know has had HUGE downswings the latter part of this year (Amaya took over on September 30th)

It just feels completely Surreal to me , every decent hand gets beta time & time again , it's nothing to do with SKILL , and remember I've played for 10 years with only a couple of losing months in TEN YEARS , that's why I don't need software !

Fair play to you Fox , I find getting completely smashed kinda resets my clock , I can be normal again Monday ermmm Afternoon

The Autumn Blaze was nice .. now for the Warlocks Broth

Call me anytime McM, just not in a good place right now mate. Ma said to me she wants to die. I just burst into tears which didn't really help matters a great deal.

I'm sorry to hear that mate

It was the other way around for me telling my mom I wanted to die , but she doesn't help matters at all , my dad tried to kill me , try living with that

I will give you a call or call me any time , but I'll text first ok , stay strong mate at least you're on good terms .

You can be the 10th best player in the World and lose money if you keep going up against the other 9 players. The game HAS developed, just look at the amount of training sites, Youtube videos, free and chargeable material. There's even specialised forums that target things like Sit and Go's and push/ fold charts that most of the ABC regs are using. Things you were doing right 5 years ago, most of the regs have caught on to so you have to stay 1 step ahead.

Remember it's all an economy, the bad players feed better players who in turn feed better players ect all the way up. At micro stakes it used to be 10% rake but over the past couple of years, most sites have increased that to 20%. That is a HUUUUUGE difference and stops many winning players without the rake into losing players, in turn it stops feeding further up the food chain. Most players nowadays are not rich fish, they are players that can beat the 20% rake and have the ability to move up.

One other point, on Betfair (Pokerchamps) we didn't realise how soft it was in compared to other sites like Full Tilt and Pokerstars. There were a lot of average players, me included, that had it really easy on here and could easily make a profit. I certainly noticed I couldn't make the same profits when we first moved to Ongaming and it was only 1 decent MTT win that made me any sort of money (which was a Betfair only MTT funnily enough.) Back then I couldn't even work out my pot odds but it didn't matter, players were so bad. I've found things a lot easier on I-Poker but that's because most of the skins are tied to gambling sites like Betfair. My game has also improved, I haven't stayed static, I've used a few of those training sites and watched Youtube videos. If I can find those useful videos then so can my opponents, it's a never ending game of learning.

I take your point Ovalman , but I was always ahead back than , I'm self taught I put a lot of work in my early days to improving Fast so I've never ever used training sites or push/fold charts , they're for breakeven or learning players Imo

I used to crush Partypoker & betfair mtt's for that matter , but when I moved to stars in 2007 I couldn't believe how tough players were , I was playing the likes of Spacegravy/ Daleroxxu etc at $20 sngs back then , so I learnt fast again

I used to get tons of abuse from the poker forum on here so stopped posting , though there were many very talented players on here like Dubai , but I now play a fair few of the old betfair players on stars , but am sure many (not just uk) play in teams , and stars do nothing about it as it'd be negative for them to ban supernova + players !

Many were only decent on here because all of the players were so bad. In hindsight, I think very few of us were any good, average at best but the majority of the players were so bad and full of gamblers it was hard not to make a profit simply by playing a tight aggressive Sit and Go game.

I'm also self taught and have never used a push/ fold chart (although I have seen a few) but I've also delved into my own game and had a few hand histories analysed by other players. I've also participated on other training forums where I feel you can learn a lot by participating. Some of my biggest AHA moments have been by inadvertently posting something wrong and being ridiculed. I think my game has improved massively over the past few years even though my ROI has dropped from 30% on Pokerchamps to around 8% - 12% on all sites now.

I think low/ mid stakes are still beatable but there will become a point where it won't be. I target certain promotions for added money and overlays, I think that's a way to keep making a profit in this game.

You're wrong imo , there were some of the best players around on betfair back in the days , many have progressed & made a lot of money in their own area's

I feel you're stuck in your ways , you haven't had enough desire to progress , I mean how can you fear players at $1 sng's , every player at your level is a fish , only there because they can't play any higher with any consistency

30% Roi's are the things dreams are made of , you only have that because you win a few then don't play any further , try playing 100 sngs per day & you'd be lucky to make 5% in the same games

I offered to help you before but you seemed to ignore me , but bang on about stats , software (that I'm not needing) & how you basically steal money from promotions against lesser players

Poker's not about stealing money at 30% Roi as it adds upto nothing more than a grand or so , it's about playing to the highest you can at the best you can & then you'll see how much you can really make , although times are a lot tougher nowadays at all levels granted , but if I couldn't win at any better than $30 sngs (and I mean at least 50 per day) I'd pack up & walk away tomorrow

Moonbeam, can you go back to when you first started playing poker and how it changed your life and to where you are now.

Cheers.

The only reason I went pro was because I had to , no job , no future otherwise , win or die basically , until you've been in that situation I doubt you'll never really understand what it takes to be a pro

How much money did you start off with?

Never have to wait too long till moony starts an attention seeking thread?  Great title for this one!

I've been a pro gambler since I was old enough Angel
I used to play fruit machines for a living until 2003 , I was always sports betting along side but never really made big money from it (lost 20k on horses etc in my early 20's which almost finsished me)  but I started with 20k in the bank .

the first time I ever played was via Coral betting site , I jumped into $2/4 cash games with only the slightest clue about the game , I'd played lots of cards in the past but online poker is so different , anyway I lost £500 in a week or two , players laughed at me for drawing so bad even when I scooped a big pot , it was fun , but I knew I had to quit after the £500 was lost

I stopped &thought about the game for a few weeks then started playing $10 sit n go's & won the £500 back in a few weeks , then realized that Coral was a Party poker skin so I signed up with party poker & within a few months I was one of the most aggressive players at $10/20 sng's & was winning virtually every game

I don't even know what my Roi was Ovalman but it must've been 30%

There were no stats , charts or software back then , no forums , nobody multi tabled , I started playing 3 tables at a time which was brave back then

I was withdrawing 1k odd per month which was cool from low stakes to live on
I think being a winning gambler already helped as I was used to earning a wage but looking back I was far too content with 'just a wage'  I could've been making 5k per month if I'd of really pushed for more
It wasn't until I started on pokerstars in 2007 that I was making decent money & by 2009/10 was making 30k per year (tax free)
by 2011 I had over 100k in the bank (plus I'd paid all living expenses all that time - no benefits , housing etc , always had a car & used to waste an awful lot going out boozing etc)

but it had taken over my life , to make that kina money you have to live & breath the game or you'll lose sight of what others are doing against you (as I say I've never needed software it never even existed) a lot of the newer players used it but never feel I needed to as they were the ones i was beating day in day out

Money changes your life though as you start to think differently (for the worse imo)
all my mates were renting or sharing houses & I had enough to buy one outright , I lost contact with lots of friends & even family start to turn on you , I was a good guy but people tend to start looking at you a bit differently
I bought my flat last year but now hate the game & everything about it , I don't really ever want to play it again but am now stuck with being a pro gambler or nothing , every penny I've ever made or spent is from gambling but now think I'd be better off on the dole , I have nothing to gain any longer , if you've ever read the book Atlas Shrugged that's kinda how I feel now

Your correct about the 30%, I remember being told when at 5k on Stars with a 14% ROI it was only 80% of it being correct. I've played 9,000 on Stars now but I'm going nowhere at the stakes you mention, I rarely play Stars any more. I look elsewhere for value, on Stars there isn't any.

Your also right about the 100 SnGs per day, I've no plans to be under the stress of being a rake back wh0re. You HAVE to play at least 50 to generate the VPPs, wouldn't it be better spent on improving your game? Most of your opponents have done so.

Offered help? We've had discussions and I've listened to your thoughts but I think some are wrong. There is nothing wrong with any site's RNG for instance but you wont even check your stats to find out.  The game has changed vastly but you can't see that. Margins are being squeezed, bad player either give up or improve. There is training sites, software and personal coaching. Everyone has moved up to your game of 5 years ago but you still think nothing has changed other than the bad beats you perceive.

I respect your game and admire that you made it but I think you need a reality check. I also love the game and take it pretty serious as a profitable hobby.

Ovalman do you even know my game , are you just fishing for information or believe you're actually helping me out , I live & learn for myself , you don't seem to

Now you call me r^keback wh0re
I made 30k per year Game profit at supernova level for 5 years , that is not r^keback wh0ring which is all your old mates can do now

30k UK not Dollars

supernova r^keback is $6800 (4k) per year

I played lots Because it was Profitable , not for sh!tty r^keback OK

I could do supernova elite but have had enough of the game

No worries McMoon.

Goodnight.

You either don't understand or you're taking the p^ss , which is it

Yes I could've helped you , as it seems nobody else has ever bothered to , if you don't put the time in you'll make pennies it's that simple , whatever you've made in the last 10 years you could lose in a year , I couldn't

hello moonbeam, intresting reading your thread, i tried playing poker once for large stakes at the time about 20yrs ago but had to

give up as every big hand or every big pot i got involved with my hands would visibly shake only slightly but beyond my control,

try reading stu ungars book " man behind the shades ", if you read at all its worth a look at... good luck glasgow.

Thanks Glasgow

I've read Stu Ungars other book 'One of a Kind' which is brilliant , try Devilfishes autobiography also he's a real character

I was up for some decent discussion tonight but I sense a lot of aggression.

I do OK from the game, make decent pocket money and put a lot of time into it as a profitable hobby. I'm not under the stresses like you are.

You blame everything else except yourself for your losing sessions. It's pointless me telling you to put some time into analysing your game because a) you probably don't have any time because you have to fit those 50 games in and b) you don't trust the RNG even though I've given proof that the RnG is straight.

Why don't you try live poker? It may be sociable and you can't use a HUD. Your opponents are constantly working on their game and picking holes in yours.

I'm a big advocate of learning and it's the best way to improve.

I don't mean to be aggressive towards you Ovalman but you say the same things in every poker thread that's started on here & you talk to me like some novice
I did offer to help you before but you think you know everything due to a hud & a few stats

You tell me to work on my game but you don't have to deal with gangs of cheats like I do , I played all the way though the Chinese scandal making 30k that year topping the leaderboards , I beat Chinese Mafia not $1 sngs (how many years have you played $1 for?)

I honestly think you like to talk too much about the technical side of the game without fully understanding the mental/physical side of it

I've always trusted the RNG & is only this last year I've doubted it (I do actually think it's straight) but I've lost all trust for the Industry , and if it was revealed next year that stars has cheated pro's out of millions I wouldn't be shocked at all , you would though although you've never played

Do you know the uk players I talk of , do you know who I am , as I'm losing trust in you tbh

I never offered to help you , I offered to roll you with nothing in return & would've helped you along the way but all I get is your r^keback wh0re comments

Like I say I've made money until last year until I played more for r^keback , as I have learned the game has changed , not you , you only know what you read (too much)

You've got a cheek saying bad player or leave !

Many Top pro's have left , are they bad players too , no they just can't make millions any longer

I think we've had some reasonable discussion in the past and I thought I'd get some tonight but I get the same spiel from you.

No I don't know who you are or the players you talk of. We don't know each other (or maybe we do?) so no trust to lose.

I'll respectively leave this thread and go back to my $1 games, as you say.

Goodnight.

you've given proof that the RNG is straight , from 9,000 games (lifetime ?)


you say you don't even play on stars (because you can't beat it ?)


we're talking at cross purposes tbh


Good Luck

"do you know who I am" 

From a guy who posts on chit chat

Great stuff and really did make me LOL

Oi! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^We ALL know who YOU are! 

good luck Slippy

Hear, hear

I just wondered if he knew my Poker alias that's all

Ovalman i'm sorry if my post offended you (you're a good guy) like i said before i admire your dedication to the game , which is why i feel you're wasting your time at such small stakes but can also see why it's difficult for you to move up but the free money you talk of won't last forever , at some point you have to earn it with risk/reward

I am stressed out from the game it's a tough living but i'm not really making many mistakes , maybe a few every 1,000 games as people get to know your game better over time , but there's really not much that stats would tell me otherwise

The games just aren't as beatable as they used to be & know my downswing is probably just Extreme variance that can happen playing higher stakes , i don't think it's **** i just don't enjoy it like i once did , maybe if i learn to enjoy it again my results will improve again but still feel the game is slowly dying out with all these tighter regulations , players knowing each other etc .. it's not a fun game any longer for me which is why i get tired of talking about it

'I just wondered if he knew my Poker alias that's all'
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I know but it was the words 'do you know who I am' that made me laugh. Stay lucky