The Rumble In The Jungle was 40 years ago today.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/29796214


forty years , where did they go

George took a dive though

If you were surprised when Nixon resigned, just watch what happens when I whup Foreman's behind

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Couldn't call a boxing promotion rumble in the jungle these days

George lost the battle but won the war...he was no Carlos Monzon...

TheChaser  • October 30, 2014 11:33 AM GMT 


George took a dive though

I think that was Sonny Liston

George was beaten fair and square, he punched himself out trying to floor Ali, Ali stood there and just took it

When George tired in came Ali for the kill

I think that was how it went???

A shock result at the time, I thought George would murder Ali

I liked both men

i know ebul i was trying to get the old brigade to bite

I have both of their autographs

"Is that all you got...?  You disappoint me.... They told me you could punch, George."

Muhammad Ali

I had my first experience at a car boot sale. It was the Fumble In The Jumble

Carpenters commentary was tremendous,always liked Harry,apart from when he got caught up with the pantomime stuff with Bruno.

Got both their autographs too

chaser

The second Liston fight it did look as if Liston took a dive

Ali caught him with a punch on the cheek I think, first punch, Liston lay down for 10 secs

It was either a dive

Or Sonny may have been caught by surprise, and once down decided not to get up, he knew he could not beat Ali

He could not hit Ali......I think they stopped his fee..no way was Sonny knocked out imo

He may have been much older than his given age at the time?

Ali was Cassius Clay then

There was speculation about Liston's age.

I don't think he took a dive as such. My view is that he'd had enough and as you say, knew he couldn't win.

I thought he changed his name after the first Liston fight?

could be, he quit in the first fight with a shoulder injury

but he was starting to get beaten up before that, he could not hit Ali, was certainly hitting him

strange fight I think Ali himself tried to quit early on, had something in his eye???????

a very big shock, nobody gave Ali much chance before the fight

Liston quit in first fight

Ali was hitting Liston

There was a caustic substance which somehow got in his eyes

What about Rocky Marciano

I am not that old

I don't think Marciano was that big, heavyweights are much bigger now

but he was indestructible Marciano, he retired undefeated

Yeh all remind me of a young

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KANVw9IbgCE

What about Tommy Farr?

You've got me to bite Chaser.

Totally crooked fight. If Ali had laid on the ropes and let Foreman hit him at will, Ali would have had a hole punched through him.

These are the words of a sparring partner of Foreman who was hired by Ali in the run up to the fight. Foreman was slapping him [not punching] after only a couple of rounds.

They have a rerun of the fight on Radio 5 live tonight at 7.30.

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What about Rocky Marciano Confused


my old man always goes on about him ,

what about jake la motta thats one man who never took a dive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbVEeC-WjMU

sugar v la motta , you dont see fight likes those anymore

ali , foreman etc wouldnt handle it these days with fighters like tyson fury et al about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tasCLcSslj4

Rumble in jungle full fight and build up espn classic

listen to ali at the start , brilliant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tasCLcSslj4

Rumble in jungle full fight and build up espn classic

listen to ali at the start , brilliant

There was once a computer fight between Marciano and Ali. The computer printed out the moves and the two great heavyweights acted them out. Marciano won.

Why don't you give up ffs

^^^^  That was to The Chaser after his post

TheChaser   
30 Oct 14 16:17 
ali , foreman etc wouldnt handle it these days with fighters like tyson fury et al about

Marciano wouldn't have beaten Ali. Tyson at his best might have.

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Marciano wouldn't have beaten Ali. Tyson at his best might have.

At least kenny agrees with me

I used to do a bit of boxing, Chaser. I know a bit about it.

So did i they called me the dancing destroyer

I said he "might". Certainly had a puncher's chance to say the least.

He still does hes fighing chisora soon in a big show down

Tyson will shade that I reckon.

kenny you should have gone out and done some old moves on they asians that where fighting in yur street not so long ago

Marciano retired because his manager was having him over for money.

If he hadn't retired he'd have been beaten eventually.

And the computer fight result is total garbage.

Marciano would never have beaten Ali, even if Ali wasn't fully fit.

Marciano was too small, and too slow for Ali.

He'd have been stopped, probably on cuts, or being unable to defend himself against those lightning combinations.

I do not think Marciano would have won but the computer did....the first time. It seems that there was an alternate ending given and that makes more sense. See Youtube.

i once made a player on iss64 for my nintendo and hammered in a hat trick past germany , i gave my real attributes as well , makes you think what i could have done in the game

I haven't seen a lot of Marciano but from what I have seen, he wasn't as fast or powerful as Mike Tyson and I believe Ali would have beaten Tyson.

The fights against Tony Tucker and James Douglas are two, in particular, which I would point to.

hw many rounds would frank bruno last with ali in his prime if 15 rounds ?

well he fought him twice

Hard to say but no more than six imo

thought you said tyson. lol  Blimey you've got a good memory Chaser. The BLOODY ASIANS THREAD.

yeah that thread where they asians where scrapping in your street , bloody  ignorant feckers

Ali was surprised that Marciano took the computer fight so seriously and Rocky wasn't really acting it out. Though he was small, I think Marciano would have troubled Ali by crouching low and maybe landing a few low blows - I still think primo Ali would win. Ali regretted that computer fight but he did it for the money.

Ali would have Tyson beaten before they got in to the ring. Tyson was not keen on fighting Foreman during Foreman's comeback, and there are reports that Tyson feared him. The fact that George won a version of the heavyweight title at 45 tells you all you need to know.

That computer fight is very watchable IMO.

IIrc it was Bob Foster who tried crouching low against Ali.
He did okay until he got one jab through Ali's guard, then Ali mullered him.

Hey, I think Ali would have beaten Marciano but I think Marciano would trouble him. Marciano would maybe get cut up badly, but he'd be going forward and he'd be vicious and dirty...listened to the fight tonight on 5 live - very enjoyable with the boxers' comments.

Funny that Foreman just said how TOUGH Ali was - the toughest man he ever fought...Ali was a badass.

george went soft when he started grilling

He also went RICH!

but lean

Blackrock  • October 30, 2014 3:42 PM GMT 


You've got me to bite Chaser.

Totally crooked fight. If Ali had laid on the ropes and let Foreman hit him at will, Ali would have had a hole punched through him.

These are the words of a sparring partner of Foreman who was hired by Ali in the run up to the fight. Foreman was slapping him [not punching] after only a couple of rounds.

I would find that hard to believe Blackrock. Ali covered up well, rolled a lot of the punches, and Ali was also very tough
he could take a punch

Ali/Clay hit the canvas 4 times in his career. The only men who achieved this were Sonny Banks, Henry Cooper, Joe Frazier and Chuck Wepner.
Ali was never counted out in his career.

The reason Foreman was slapping was because he had punched himself out.

just an opinion

The tragedy that Ali now has Parkinson's, tells us just how many punches Ali really took in his career

I thought Ali was too cocky when he was younger, but later grew to respect a great fighter and a great man

To be fair, Chuck Wepner stood on Ali's foot while he punched him = foul blow.

WEPNER : (Before fight) Honey, you'll be sleepin' with the World Champion tonight...
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WIFE : (After fight) Did you bring Ali with you...?

ebulGery
31 Oct 14 02:45   
Ali/Clay hit the canvas 4 times in his career. The only men who achieved this were Sonny Banks, Henry Cooper, Joe Frazier and Chuck Wepner.
Ali was never counted out in his career.

Wepner never knocked Ali down, he fell over his own feet. The last punch by Wepner was at Ali's left hip, but he went backwards and not to his right. The bum was lucky to survive almost 15 rounds against Ali.

The programme on Radio 5 was excellent, listening to Froch, Haye and Hatton together talking through the fight round by round.

Interesting to hear Haye say that whilst many people felt Ali was losing the fight until he stopped Foreman, he had Ali 4 rounds up on his card.

Froch and Haye are excellent talkers, really good to listen to.

I heard it too roger whilst driving. Agree with your summary and a surprising treat for a Thursday night motorway run.

I heard that programme too. Brilliant. A lot of boxers and ex boxers are great talkers.

Was also listening on the motorway Crisp, enjoying the M4 at the time!

M1 for me. Great insight. One surprise for example was all three pros said that they were taught never to throw a lead right hand like Ali did at the start. froch said of the current boxers only mayweather and a prime roy Jones could get away with it because of the hand speed required.

Also funny froch saying you need to stick to his gameplan and admitting he lost it when he saw Groves acting the goat in the middle of the ring seconds before their first fight.

Liked Hatton agreeing that you need to stick to a gameplan, and go for the Big Mac meal, then the bacon doublecheeseburger meal, then the McChicken sandwich meal and then the Royale meal, then the large chicken nuggets meal, then each of the McFlurrys in turn, and admitting he lost it when he saw their special promotions and poundsaver menu.

Crisp, Roy Jones one of the best pound for pound in his prime, Ali, incredible, Mayweather, brilliant. Hearns, Hagler, etc, not to forget the "Brown Bomber" ....Tyson Fury....FFS

Is Tyson Fury really called the Brown Bomber?

RTB, no but that's not a bad idea.

According to Tyson Fury, David Price and Tony Bellew are both brown bombers.

Mrs CMAT likes Tyson Fury.

The only time she watches boxing is when he's on.

tt