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What a speech, what a leader, what a man..........................................and if the 'Yes' voters get their way - what a loss to the Scottish people. Serves 'em right.
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Well Cameron is the barn pot who has in fact tempted the Scots into doing this
No referendum, most Scots would have been happy to stay
If only that man had a brain
as I have said before
the worst leader we have had in my lifetime
No referendum, most Scots would have been happy to stay
If only that man had a brain
as I have said before
the worst leader we have had in my lifetime
I should think losing Cameron would be a great incentive for Scotland to vote yes myself
If Cameron does not want Scotland to go, why offer them a referendum????
There is something seriously wrong in this man's head
Scotland have been with us for over 300 years, I don't think they were on the point of rebellion, does anyone?
There is something seriously wrong in this man's head
Scotland have been with us for over 300 years, I don't think they were on the point of rebellion, does anyone?
ebulGery - yet another topic we disagree on.....what is a 'barn pot' anyway?
Alex Salmond - on his own admission has been pushing for this since he was in his twentiest's (that's quite a long time you know). Perhaps Cameron just wanted to shut him up for good. Who can blame him for that?
a complete frit cake
but if you are Scottish yourself, I would not expect you to agree
you are free to go now
my opinion is, that unless the vast majority of Scots were demanding it ok...as in Crimea
then why not stay as we are, that is all?
If you are happily married, do you suddenly tell your wife to have an affair, divorce you.....not really????????
not if you want her, to stay that is insane, but it seems to be shat Cameron has done?
ps
Alex Salmond..is one person, not the entire Scottish population!
but if you are Scottish yourself, I would not expect you to agree
you are free to go now
my opinion is, that unless the vast majority of Scots were demanding it ok...as in Crimea
then why not stay as we are, that is all?
If you are happily married, do you suddenly tell your wife to have an affair, divorce you.....not really????????
not if you want her, to stay that is insane, but it seems to be shat Cameron has done?
ps
Alex Salmond..is one person, not the entire Scottish population!
The yes vote has petered out...no is free money.
ebul as soon as the SNP won with a majority then the referendum was inevitable.
Agree with you dewey on Cameron's speech but please don't tar all of us Scots with the same brush, a lot of us want to stay.
Agree with you dewey on Cameron's speech but please don't tar all of us Scots with the same brush, a lot of us want to stay.
2010 General Election
Labour 41 0 59
0
1,035,528 42.0 +2.5
Liberal Democrat 11 0 59
0
465,471 18.9 -3.7
SNP 6 0 59
0
491,386 19.9 +2.3
Conservative 1 0 591
2
412,855 16.7 +0.9
UKIP 0 0 34 33 17,223 0.7 +0.3
Scottish Green 0 0 20 19 16,827 0.7 -0.3
BNP 0 0 13 13 8,910 0.4 +0.3
TUSC 0 0 10 10 3,530 0.1 N/A
Scottish Socialist 0 0 10 10 3,157 0.1 -1.7
Socialist Labour 0 0 5 5 1,673 0.0 -
Christian 0 0 1 1 835 0.0 N/A
Trust 0 0 1 1 534 0.0 N/A
Liberal 0 0 1 1 389 0.0 N/A
Scottish Jacobite 0 0 2 2 290 0.0 N/A
Communist 0 0 2 2 237 0.0 N/A
Turnout: 2,465,722 63.8
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_Kingdom_general_election_results_in_Scotland#Overall_results
where is the SNP majority?
Labour 41 0 59
0
1,035,528 42.0 +2.5
Liberal Democrat 11 0 59
0
465,471 18.9 -3.7
SNP 6 0 59
0
491,386 19.9 +2.3
Conservative 1 0 591
2
412,855 16.7 +0.9
UKIP 0 0 34 33 17,223 0.7 +0.3
Scottish Green 0 0 20 19 16,827 0.7 -0.3
BNP 0 0 13 13 8,910 0.4 +0.3
TUSC 0 0 10 10 3,530 0.1 N/A
Scottish Socialist 0 0 10 10 3,157 0.1 -1.7
Socialist Labour 0 0 5 5 1,673 0.0 -
Christian 0 0 1 1 835 0.0 N/A
Trust 0 0 1 1 534 0.0 N/A
Liberal 0 0 1 1 389 0.0 N/A
Scottish Jacobite 0 0 2 2 290 0.0 N/A
Communist 0 0 2 2 237 0.0 N/A
Turnout: 2,465,722 63.8
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_Kingdom_general_election_results_in_Scotland#Overall_results
where is the SNP majority?
I agree with the right of self determination
I thought it was right Crimea joined Russia....although strangely Cameron did not??????
I have not seen this desire in Scotland....I admit, I am genuinely baffled????????
But now Scotland have a chance, go if you want akabula
I thought it was right Crimea joined Russia....although strangely Cameron did not??????
I have not seen this desire in Scotland....I admit, I am genuinely baffled????????
But now Scotland have a chance, go if you want akabula
I am speaking as an ordinary English person, I think we will lose out, that is all
Cameron sounded desperate to me - and threatening to some extent - but completely over the top.
-- Border Guards etc - What a load of cr*p. The UK has an open border with another "foreign" country, Ireland - drive over and back to the UK (Northern Ireland) all day long - you wouldn't even know where you were until you saw the different road signs. Nobody is talking about making Scotland "foreign" other than the Better Together campaign
-- No more British & Irish Lions. FFS - Republic of Ireland players are on that (nearly a third of the team on one recent test). No issue there
-- Border Guards etc - What a load of cr*p. The UK has an open border with another "foreign" country, Ireland - drive over and back to the UK (Northern Ireland) all day long - you wouldn't even know where you were until you saw the different road signs. Nobody is talking about making Scotland "foreign" other than the Better Together campaign
-- No more British & Irish Lions. FFS - Republic of Ireland players are on that (nearly a third of the team on one recent test). No issue there
where is the SNP majority?
In the Scottish parliament ebul, where else would it be?
In the Scottish parliament ebul, where else would it be?
ok I see
I did not know they had one
2011 SNP 53.9% of the vote..iffy with me
Also some Scots may have seen this like our Local Authority bye elections
I would not have given them one on that......but perhaps I am not a nice person
an anti Scottish racist it appears
anyway it your choice now akabula
I did not know they had one
2011 SNP 53.9% of the vote..iffy with me
Also some Scots may have seen this like our Local Authority bye elections
I would not have given them one on that......but perhaps I am not a nice person
an anti Scottish racist it appears
anyway it your choice now akabula
akabula, you´re always saying vote No but how can you really say we´re better together when:
so many Scots rely on foodbanks
so many children are born into poverty in Scotland
the UK is one of the most unequal countries in the world
the NHS is slowly being privatised
we are dragged into illegal wars
we are forced to support Israel´s bloody assaults on the Palestinians
ATOS, at the behest of the UK government, admonishes the bankers and persecutes the most vulnerable
the rich are allowed to get away with tax evasion
we have the bedroom tax foisted upon us
We are always told our security is safer as part of the UK but Scotland is without any serious ocean-going conventional vessels based in Scotland and the MOD scrapped the entire Maritime Patrol Aircraft fleet
Scotland has the biggest nuclear base in Europe sited just a few miles from its biggest population centre
Scotland gets England´s nuclear waste dumped on its land
our national assets and utilities have almost all been privatised and handed over to foreign companies
the Westminster politicians, of all colours, have demonstrated time and again that they are corrupt, in the pockets of big business and cannot be trusted
...just to scratch the surface...
How can you really say with hand on heart (and sword and shield?) that an independent Scotland cann0ot offer a better future than that to our young people?
so many Scots rely on foodbanks
so many children are born into poverty in Scotland
the UK is one of the most unequal countries in the world
the NHS is slowly being privatised
we are dragged into illegal wars
we are forced to support Israel´s bloody assaults on the Palestinians
ATOS, at the behest of the UK government, admonishes the bankers and persecutes the most vulnerable
the rich are allowed to get away with tax evasion
we have the bedroom tax foisted upon us
We are always told our security is safer as part of the UK but Scotland is without any serious ocean-going conventional vessels based in Scotland and the MOD scrapped the entire Maritime Patrol Aircraft fleet
Scotland has the biggest nuclear base in Europe sited just a few miles from its biggest population centre
Scotland gets England´s nuclear waste dumped on its land
our national assets and utilities have almost all been privatised and handed over to foreign companies
the Westminster politicians, of all colours, have demonstrated time and again that they are corrupt, in the pockets of big business and cannot be trusted
...just to scratch the surface...
How can you really say with hand on heart (and sword and shield?) that an independent Scotland cann0ot offer a better future than that to our young people?
Wallflower said: 'Cameron sounded desperate to me' - that was not deperation 'petal' - that was 'passion'.
David Cameron is not desperate - 'LET'S GET THIS STRAIGHT ONCE AND FOR ALL'- even if the 'yes' vote win - England will be fine without Scotland. David Cameron is passionate and committed in what he believes in - that is why he is Prime Minister of this country. When will the thicko's ever learn?
......it wasn't...it was fear as well as desperation.....and you know it
If Scotland votes Yes Cameron´s political career is over. He is desperate.
I'm pretty certain that whatever happens - David Cameron can rest assured that his life is .. has been...and will be.... worth living. What have you achieved worth talking about TiptheOdds? (not sounding too promising judging by your username is it).
...fear at losing Scottish resources, fear at being responsible for the "loss" of Scotland. Its all an unecessary mess from a Westminister perspective - could have been avoided.
.....still, even if its "No" it only delays the inevitable, and tbh the quicker the better, get it over with, lets the Scots govern themselves. More devolved powers will eventually lead the Scots to the conclusion they may as well be independent, if UK left the EU, the Scots would certainly quit the UK for sure.
.....still, even if its "No" it only delays the inevitable, and tbh the quicker the better, get it over with, lets the Scots govern themselves. More devolved powers will eventually lead the Scots to the conclusion they may as well be independent, if UK left the EU, the Scots would certainly quit the UK for sure.
How can you really say with hand on heart (and sword and shield?) that an independent Scotland cann0ot offer a better future than that to our young people
I would have responded to you TTO but that quip put me off. Getting fed up with chyt like that on here.
Alias is another one who assumes because I'm in the NO camp then I must be a marcher. FFS very few in Scotland are, less than 1%.
This will probably go over the heads of a fair few of the posters on here though.
I would have responded to you TTO but that quip put me off. Getting fed up with chyt like that on here.
Alias is another one who assumes because I'm in the NO camp then I must be a marcher. FFS very few in Scotland are, less than 1%.
This will probably go over the heads of a fair few of the posters on here though.
Apologies for being too personnal in the case of Tipthe Odds - but some people?!
I take that back akabula, I realise it was unfair and you have done nothing on here to justify my comment.
Now please tell me why we are better together.
dewey, you are obviously too dim-witted, like your two brothers, to hold a sensible discussion with grown-ups so I won´t waste my time on you.
Now please tell me why we are better together.
dewey, you are obviously too dim-witted, like your two brothers, to hold a sensible discussion with grown-ups so I won´t waste my time on you.
dewey 15 Sep 14 21:55
ebulGery - yet another topic we disagree on.....what is a 'barn pot' anyway?
No such word
The correct word is barmpot.
ebulGery - yet another topic we disagree on.....what is a 'barn pot' anyway?
No such word
The correct word is barmpot.
'Barm pot is British slang for crazy, silly, eccentric.
Found on http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/browse/ZB.HTM' - there ya
Found on http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/browse/ZB.HTM' - there ya
of course cameron is desperate. his legacy is on the line. all he'll be remembered for is losing scotland
his name will be an answer in pub quizzes(if they haven't banned drinking by then) in hundreds of years time
his name will be an answer in pub quizzes(if they haven't banned drinking by then) in hundreds of years time
I would say he is clearly both passionate and desperate at the same time, which ever way it's spun, if Scotland votes yes he will go down as the worst Primer Minster in history. If it's a No vote (which I'm think it will be) than that title can rest safely with Thatcher. It wouldn't just be the breakup of a 300 year old Union, it would be the surge in popularity of UKIP, the most hated tax since the poll tax in the the bedroom tax and the expenses scandal. He done well to shove aside Gove though, he was on a fast road to knowhere with voters.
Have a look - I'm not the only one - http://liberalconspiracy.org/2012/01/13/alex-salmond-is-not-the-canny-operat...
Bodil wrote:
So I look at the SNP and their fellow travellers and wonder where the talent for this thrusting, dynamic new Scotland is. Apart from a well-developed resentment/dislike of the English and a hunger for self-advancement at the expense of the majority I see nothing out of the ordinary. Could you Yes supporters give me the names of some of these exceptional individuals who are going to lead you to the promised land? I notice your most prominent/vocal supporters in the Arts have put the Atlantic between you and themselves. I listed some of the recent self-inflicted events that might make a person wary of Scottish financial talent - the massive cost overrun (10x initial estimates)for the Scottish Parliament building, the Edinburgh tram system, HBOS and RBS ('the biggest bank(rupt) in the world') but I'd forgotten an example that must be closer to the hearts of many of you. I recall watching Celtic win a European Cup in real time - cultured football from a team stuffed full of talented Scots. What happened? Now Celtic and Rangers would struggle to survive in our Championship and the best home-grown Scots remaining dream only of coming south to play in the Premier League. Not a good advertisment for Scottish management/talent, eh?
So I look at the SNP and their fellow travellers and wonder where the talent for this thrusting, dynamic new Scotland is. Apart from a well-developed resentment/dislike of the English and a hunger for self-advancement at the expense of the majority I see nothing out of the ordinary. Could you Yes supporters give me the names of some of these exceptional individuals who are going to lead you to the promised land? I notice your most prominent/vocal supporters in the Arts have put the Atlantic between you and themselves. I listed some of the recent self-inflicted events that might make a person wary of Scottish financial talent - the massive cost overrun (10x initial estimates)for the Scottish Parliament building, the Edinburgh tram system, HBOS and RBS ('the biggest bank(rupt) in the world') but I'd forgotten an example that must be closer to the hearts of many of you. I recall watching Celtic win a European Cup in real time - cultured football from a team stuffed full of talented Scots. What happened? Now Celtic and Rangers would struggle to survive in our Championship and the best home-grown Scots remaining dream only of coming south to play in the Premier League. Not a good advertisment for Scottish management/talent, eh?
dewey are you so incapable of constructing arguments for yourself that you have to quote bigoted rants from other forum bampots?
bigoted rant? I thought it was a good piece from Bodil - and No - I couldn't have put it better m'self.
I can see bodil enjoying dinner with Katie Hopkins, Nicholas Witchell and Christopher Hitchens... with a world map coloured a quarter in red. 
bodil is landed gentry
he has people to post on his behalf.
I'm told if you look carefully you can spot bodil pre-birthday oon the website below.
http://herefordcamra.org.uk/festival.htm
he has people to post on his behalf.
I'm told if you look carefully you can spot bodil pre-birthday oon the website below.
http://herefordcamra.org.uk/festival.htm
I can't even see bodil on this thread.
He is omnipresent taxi.
He is omnipresent taxi.
would go down well in history if the scots did a bunk during dave boys reign now would it
probably a good reason to vote yes
Cameron's tears only encourages this.
Cameron's tears only encourages this.
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