SUPREME PLACEPOT COMP DONCASTER ST LEGER MEETING WED - SAT

Burton-Brewers

Grey Sensation
Fuwairt
Monsieur Joe
Clumber Place (nap)
Magic Hurricane
Evening Attire
Adam's Ale

14:00 When Will It End
14:30 Markaz
15:00 Online Alexander
15:35 Dansili Dutch
16:10 Clon Brulee
16:45 Expert
17:15 Adam's Ale ...NAP

Grey Sensation
Growl
Reckless Abandon
Dansili Dutch
Nabucco
Basil Berry
Haelrigg - nap

thanks

Only Joking
Angelic Lord
Mecca's Angel
Naoise
Clon Brulee
Basil Berry
Hazelrigg  NAP

Goring
Growl
Swan Song
Bob
Red Galileo
Lincoln
Sleepy Blue Ocean(nap)

thanks

When Will It End
Fuwairt
Kingsgate Native
Tiger Jim
Nabucco (nap)
Expert
Adam`s Ale

Thanks pumpy,

Pumphol

Salateen
Angelic Lord
Reckless Ambition
Dansili Dutch
Nabucco
Expert
Commanche Nap

Jamie

Percy Alleline
Angelic Lord
B Fifty Two
Clon Brulee
Nakuti
Oldjoesaid

Jamie

Nakuti Nap

Grey Sensation
Angelic Lord
B Fifty Two
Bob
Clon Brulee
Marmoom
Oldjoesaid (NAP)

Goring
Markas
Kingsgate Native
Comanchero
Red Galileo
Wilde Inspiration
Even Stevens ***NAP***

Salateen
Angelic Lord
Reckless Abandon (NAP)
Naoise
Clon Brulee
Expert
Expose

2.00    -    Only Joking
2.30    -    Fuwairt
3.00    -    Steps
3.35    -    Comanchero
4.10    -    Red Galileo
4.45    -    Suzis Connoisseur (NAP)
5.15    -    Oldjoesaid

Good luck all.

14.00    -    When Will It End
14.30    -    Markaz
15.00    -    Mecca's Angel (nap)
15.35    -    Gambino
16.10    -    Nabucco
16.45    -    Basil Berry
17.15    -    Dangerous Age

Thanks

When will it end
Angelic Lord
Meccas Angel
Kuwait Star
Clon Brulee
Basil Berry
Noodles Blue Boy ~~ nap ~~

Salateen
Growl
B Fifty Two
Mixed Message
Clon Brulee
Marmoom
Hazelrigg(NAP)

14.00 When Will It End
14.30 Angelic Lord
15.00 Swan Song
15.35 Gambino
16.10 Nabucco
16.45 Lincoln ~NAP~~
17.15 Adam's Ale

2.00 - Percy Alleline
2.30 - Growl
3.00 - Online Alexander
3.35 - Commanchero
4.10 - Nabucco
4.45 - Suzis Connoisseur
5.15 - Lastchancelucas (NAP)

2.30 - Growl already a non-runner

Please replace with Prince Bonnaire

Only Joking
Angelic Lord
Demora
Naoise
Clon Brulee
Azagal
Imperial Legend

GL all

NAP is Naoise

14:00     Only Joking
14:30    Markaz
15:00    Mecca's Angel
15:35    Kuwait Star
16:10    Red Galileo
16:45    Sir Robert Cheval
17:15    Oldjoesaid    (NAP)

Thanks and good luck

SLIPPY BLUE

Salateen (NAP)
Angelic Lord
Reckless Abandon
Comanchero
Clon Brulee
Marmoom
Pea Shooter

Grey Sensation
Markaz
Online Alexander nap
Mixed Message
Clon Brulee
Basil Berry
Tom Sawyer

2.00 Salateen
2.30 Fuwairt
3.00 Reckless Abandon
3.35 Dansili Dutch
4.10 Clon Brulee
4.45 Wilde Inspiration
5.15 Lastchancelucas (nap)

Percy Alleline
Markaz
Steps
Tiger Jim
Red Galileo
Azagal
Oldjoesaid nap

cheers g/l all

Percy Alleline
Markaz
Steps
Tiger Jim
Red Galileo
Azagal
Oldjoesaid nap

cheers g/l all

2.00 Percy Alleline
2.30 Markaz
3.00 Kingsgate Native
3.35 Kuwait Star
4.10 Bayrir
4.45 Sir Robert Cheval
5.15 Commanche (NAP)

2.00 Stardrifter
2.30 Angelic Lord
3.00 Online Alexander
3.35 Naoise
4.10 Nabucco
4.45 Expert
5.15 Sleepy Blue Ocean (Nap)

Salateen
Angelic Lord
Mecca's Angel
Dansili Dutch (NAP)
Clon Brulee
Azagal
Tom Sawyer.

GL all.

2.00 Salateen
2.30 Angelic Lord
3.00 Steps
3.35 Dansili Dutch
4.10 Clon Brulee
4.45 Azagal (NAP)
5.15 Sleepy Blue Ocean

Thanks guys and gl everyone today.

2.00 Only Joking
2.30 Markaz
3.00 Steps
3.35 Tiger Jim
4.10 Clon Brulee
4.45 Azagal
5.15 Pea Shooter (NAP)

thanks

5.15 Tom Sawyer a non runner replace with Dangerous Age

2.00 Stardrifter
2.30 Markaz
3.00 Demora
3.35 Comanchero (Nap)
4.10 Bayrir
4.45 Basil Berry
5.15 Go Nani Go

Good luck everybody 

2.00 When Will It End
2.30 Prince Bonnair
3.00 Demora
3.35 Naoise
4.10 Red Galileo
4.45 LINCOLN = NAP
5.15 Bondi Beach Boy

Cheers and GLA

SQUEEZE FIRMLY
Salateen
Angelic Lord
Online Alexander
Tiger Jim
Clon Brulee
Expert
Even Stevens (NAP)


BIG CHARLIE
Only Joking
Angelic Lord
Reckless Abandon
Dansili Dutch
Clon Brulee
Suzi's Connoisseur
Dangerous Age (nap)

We're off

Plenty not on the course yet.

Hello.

STUDYFORM:

2.00 Stardrifter
2.30 Prince Bonnaire (NAP)
3.00 Demora
3.35 Naoise
4.10 Red Galileo
4.45 Lincoln
5.15 Ambitious Icarus

DELIGHTFUL:

2.00 When Will It End
2.30 Angelic Lord
3.00 Swan Song
3.35 Grace Hull
4.10 Magic Hurricane
4.45 Evening Attire (NAP)
5.15 Sleepy Blue Ocean

RACE 1 NAP

Salateen    -    Slippy Blue

All scorers on the podium

PODIUMISTS
dead heat 1st
14    -    onthehoy
14    -    sixtwosix

10.5    -    Slippy Blue

dead heat 4th
5.25    -    bodil
5.25    -    Monte Christo
5.25    -    mwnightmare
5.25    -    pumphol
5.25    -    RoyClaytonsTash
5.25    -    Squeeze Firmly
5.25    -    TheNorfolkMafia

Tracking the leaders
0    -    Alpha Centauri
0    -    Big Charlie
0    -    Burton-Brewers
0    -    call me a taxi
0    -    dukeofpuke
0    -    gleeman
0    -    Gnarley
0    -    HH Sultan Vinegar
0    -    Jamie
0    -    Kev mac
0    -    li
0    -    Makybe Diva
0    -    MisterBadger
0    -    rogerthebutler
0    -    s.kenbo
0    -    ShaneLee
0    -    squares
0    -    Stevie Strikes
0    -    Ten2Follower
0    -    TheCoat
0    -    tictacman
0    -    wit-ham

NAPS LANDED
10.5    -    Slippy Blue

SCORERS       
RACE 1     -    10

POINTS SCORED       
RACE 1     -    75.25

BONUS CHASE
22 went out in race 1

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At the moment

SCORECHECKER

2-00
Salateen....5.25
Goring....14




There are no naps in race 2

626 takes a narrow lead

PODIUMISTS

17.67    -    sixtwosix
14.17    -    Slippy Blue
14    -    onthehoy

dead heat 4th
8.92    -    bodil
8.92    -    Monte Christo
8.92    -    pumphol
8.92    -    RoyClaytonsTash
8.92    -    Squeeze Firmly
8.92    -    TheNorfolkMafia

5.25    -    mwnightmare

Tracking the leading group
3.67    -    Big Charlie
3.67    -    call me a taxi
3.67    -    HH Sultan Vinegar
3.67    -    Jamie
3.67    -    Kev mac
3.67    -    li
3.67    -    s.kenbo
3.67    -    Ten2Follower
3.67    -    TheCoat
0    -    Burton-Brewers
0    -    tictacman
0    -    ShaneLee
0    -    Gnarley
0    -    gleeman
0    -    rogerthebutler
0    -    Stevie Strikes
0    -    dukeofpuke
0    -    wit-ham
0    -    Alpha Centauri
0    -    Makybe Diva
0    -    MisterBadger
0    -    squares
-1.33    -    Delightful (late - deducted 5 points)
-5    -    Studyform  (late - deducted 5 points)

NAPS LANDED       
10.5    -    Slippy Blue

Study's nap beaten in race 2
       
SCORERS       
RACE 1     -    10
RACE 2     -    18
       
POINTS SCORED       
RACE 1     -    65.25
RACE 2     -    66.06
   
       
BONUS CHASE        
24 went out in race 1
2 more went out in race 2

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At the moment

SCORECHECKER

2-00
Salateen....5.25
Goring....14

2-30
Angelic Lord...3.67
Growl....3.67

RACE 3 NAPS

Mecca's Angel     -    gleeman
Online Alexander     -    dukeofpuke
Reckless Abandon     -    TheNorfolkMafia

Chuck him out!

Harsh doesn't come into it.

There's a cut off point, the same as in any betting shop in the UK.

'We're off' was posted after they had gone a furlong.

The fact that you picked losers doesn't come into it either.

The race finished at 14:02 and 13 seconds.

For all I know you could have posted at 14:01 and 59 seconds.

Would the rest of the players like me to score you a 20/1 winner with only a furlong left to go?

This isn't the first time you have brought this up, and I dare say it won't be the last.

For whatever reason they chose, 32 others got their picks on before the 1st race went off.

Post one minute earlier and you'll have no problems.

PODIUMISTS       
20    -    gleeman
18.92    -    bodil
18.04    -    Slippy Blue
17.67    -    sixtwosix
16.67    -    TheNorfolkMafia
15.92    -    Monte Christo
14    -    onthehoy

dead heat 8th
13.67    -    s.kenbo
13.67    -    TheCoat
12.79    -    pumphol

Tracking the leaders
10    -    Stevie Strikes
9.12    -    mwnightmare
8.92    -    RoyClaytonsTash
8.92    -    Squeeze Firmly
7.54    -    Big Charlie
7.54    -    Ten2Follower
7    -    Gnarley
7    -    Makybe Diva
7    -    wit-ham
3.67    -    call me a taxi
3.67    -    HH Sultan Vinegar
3.67    -    Jamie
3.67    -    Kev mac
3.67    -    li
0    -    Alpha Centauri
0    -    Burton-Brewers
0    -    dukeofpuke
0    -    MisterBadger
0    -    rogerthebutler
0    -    ShaneLee
0    -    squares
0    -    tictacman
-1.33    -    Delightful
-5    -    Studyform

NAPS LANDED       
20    -    gleeman
10.5    -    Slippy Blue
7.75    -    TheNorfolkMafia

SCORERS       
RACE 1     -    10
RACE 2     -    18
RACE 3    -    15
   
POINTS SCORED       
RACE 1     -    65.25
RACE 2     -    66.06
RACE 3    -    115.1

BONUS CHASE
24 went out in race 1
2 more went out in race 2
3 more out in race 3
Leaving pumphol, TheNorfolkMafia, Slippy Blue, bodil and Monte Christo

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SCORECHECKER

2-00
Salateen....5.25
Goring....14

2-30
Angelic Lord...3.67
Growl....3.67

3-00
Mecca's Angel.....10
Reckless Abandon....3.87
Steps....7

RACE 4 NAPS

Clumber Place     -    Burton-Brewers
Comanchero    -    MisterBadger
Dansili Dutch    -    bodil
Naoise    -    li

lunchtime

Yeah, I deliberately held back a post taking about 3 minutes to type, until the final furlong, JUST to see if one of us looked like being in the frame.

Fight! Fight!

I type my horses out the night before.

If I wanted to wait to see if I had any non-runners, I'd only wait until 2 minutes to the advertised off time.

But that's me - efficient.

Lunch over - on with the scoring.

RACE 5 NAP

Nabucco    -    ShaneLee

After race 5

PODIUMISTS       
40.67    -    sixtwosix
39.12    -    bodil
30.79    -    pumphol
28.12    -    Monte Christo
26    -    onthehoy
22.24    -    Slippy Blue
22    -    Stevie Strikes
20.87    -    TheNorfolkMafia
20.32    -    mwnightmare
20    -    gleeman

Tracking the leading group

19.74    -    Big Charlie
19    -    Gnarley
19    -    wit-ham
18.87    -    call me a taxi
17.87    -    s.kenbo
17.87    -    TheCoat
13.12    -    RoyClaytonsTash
13.12    -    Squeeze Firmly
12.2    -    tictacman
12    -    squares
11.2    -    Makybe Diva
7.87    -    Jamie
7.87    -    li
7.54    -    Ten2Follower
7    -    Studyform
4.2    -    dukeofpuke
3.67    -    HH Sultan Vinegar
3.67    -    Kev mac
0    -    Alpha Centauri
0    -    Burton-Brewers
0    -    MisterBadger
0    -    rogerthebutler
0    -    ShaneLee
-1.33    -    Delightful

NAPS LANDED       
20    -    gleeman
16    -    bodil
10.5    -    Slippy Blue
7.75    -    TheNorfolkMafia

SCORERS       
RACE 1     -    10
RACE 2     -    18
RACE 3    -    15
RACE 4    -    8
RACE 5    -    23
   
POINTS SCORED       
RACE 1     -    65.25
RACE 2     -    66.06
RACE 3    -    115.1
RACE 4    -    77
RACE 5    -    151.2

BONUS CHASE
24 went out in race 1
2 more went out in race 2
3 more out in race 3
pumphol got 10 points (on scoreboard)  while Slippy Blue  and Monte Christo crashed out
TheNorfolkMafia and bodil have 20 points each (not on scoreboard yet)

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SCORECHECKER

2-00
Salateen....5.25
Goring....14

2-30
Angelic Lord...3.67
Growl....3.67

3-00
Mecca's Angel.....10
Reckless Abandon....3.87
Steps....7

3-35
Bob....11
Janaab....24
Dansili Dutch....8

4-10
Clon Brulee....4.2
Red Galileo....12

RACE 6 NAPS

Azagal     -    Monte Christo
Evening Attire    -    Delightful
Lincoln    -    squares
Lincoln     -    HH Sultan Vinegar
Nakuti    -    Jamie
Suzis Connoisseur    -    Gnarley

pumphol got 10 points (on scoreboard)  while Slippy Blue  and Monte Christo crashed out

I think I'm still in the placepot. Well at least till 4.47.

The scoreboard is correct, you're still in, the typing was wrong, it was Skinto who went out.

BONUS CHASE
24 went out in race 1
2 more went out in race 2
3 more out in race 3
pumphol got 10 points (on scoreboard)  while Slippy Blue  and TheNorfolkMafia crashed out
Monte Christo and bodil have 20 points each (not on scoreboard yet)

Many thanks.

All six winners so far have come from stall two

Bodil takes up the pace after landing a 20 point bonus.
Monte Christo moves into 3rd with his 20 point bonus.

PODIUMISTS       
59.12    -    bodil
50.17    -    sixtwosix
48.12    -    Monte Christo
36    -    Stevie Strikes
31    -    squares
30.79    -    pumphol
26    -    onthehoy
22.67    -    HH Sultan Vinegar
22.24    -    Slippy Blue
20.87    -    TheNorfolkMafia

Tracking the leaders
20.32    -    mwnightmare
20    -    gleeman
19.74    -    Big Charlie
19    -    Gnarley
19    -    Studyform
19    -    wit-ham
18.87    -    call me a taxi
17.87    -    s.kenbo
17.87    -    TheCoat
14    -    Alpha Centauri
13.12    -    RoyClaytonsTash
13.12    -    Squeeze Firmly
12.2    -    tictacman
11.2    -    Makybe Diva
7.87    -    Jamie
7.87    -    li
7.54    -    Ten2Follower
4.2    -    dukeofpuke
3.67    -    Kev mac

Approaching suicide watch
0    -    Burton-Brewers
0    -    MisterBadger
0    -    rogerthebutler
0    -    ShaneLee
-1.33    -    Delightful
    -

NAPS LANDED       
20    -    gleeman
19    -    squares
19    -    HH Sultan Vinegar
16    -    bodil
10.5    -    Slippy Blue
7.75    -    TheNorfolkMafia

SCORERS       
RACE 1     -    10
RACE 2     -    18
RACE 3    -    15
RACE 4    -    8
RACE 5    -    23
RACE 6    -    6
           
POINTS SCORED       
RACE 1     -    65.25
RACE 2     -    66.06
RACE 3    -    115.1
RACE 4    -    77
RACE 5    -    151.2
RACE 6    -    87.5
   
BONUS CHASE        
24 went out in race 1        
2 more went out in race 2       
3 more out in race 3        
pumphol got 10 points (on scoreboard)  while Slippy Blue  and TheNorfolkMafia crashed out        
Monte Christo and bodil have 20 points each  (not on scoreboard yet)        
Monte Christo and bodil stay on 20 points each  (now on scoreboard)

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SCORECHECKER

2-00
Salateen....5.25
Goring....14

2-30
Angelic Lord...3.67
Growl....3.67

3-00
Mecca's Angel.....10
Reckless Abandon....3.87
Steps....7

3-35
Bob....11
Janaab....24
Dansili Dutch....8

4-10
Clon Brulee....4.2
Red Galileo....12

4-45
Lincoln....9.5
Sir Robert Cheval....14
Nezar....29

RACE 7 NAPS

Adam's Ale     -    tictacman
Commanche     -    pumphol
Commanche     -    Alpha Centauri
Dangerous Age    -    Big Charlie
Even Stevens     -    onthehoy
Even Stevens     -    Squeeze Firmly
Hazelrigg    -    RoyClaytonsTash
Hazelrigg     -    Ten2Follower
Hazelrigg     -    s.kenbo
Lastchancelucas     -    rogerthebutler
Lastchancelucas     -    mwnightmare
Noodles Blue Boy    -    TheCoat
Oldjoesaid    -    call me a taxi
Oldjoesaid    -    Stevie Strikes
Oldjoesaid    -    wit-ham
Pea Shooter     -    Makybe Diva
Sleepy Blue Ocean    -    sixtwosix
Sleepy Blue Ocean     -    Kev mac

TheNorfolkMafia found the winner and moves into 3rd

PODIUMISTS       
59.12    -    bodil
50.17    -    sixtwosix
49.87    -    TheNorfolkMafia
48.12    -    Monte Christo
36    -    Stevie Strikes
35.2    -    Makybe Diva
34.24    -    Slippy Blue
31    -    squares
30.79    -    pumphol
30.67    -    HH Sultan Vinegar

Close up
28.2    -    tictacman
26    -    onthehoy
20.32    -    mwnightmare
20    -    gleeman
19.74    -    Big Charlie
19    -    Gnarley
19    -    Studyform
19    -    wit-ham
18.87    -    call me a taxi
17.87    -    s.kenbo
17.87    -    TheCoat
14    -    Alpha Centauri
13.12    -    RoyClaytonsTash
13.12    -    Squeeze Firmly
8    -    Burton-Brewers
8    -    ShaneLee
7.87    -    Jamie
7.87    -    li
7.54    -    Ten2Follower
4.2    -    dukeofpuke
3.67    -    Kev mac

ON OFFICIAN SUICIDE WATCH
0    -    rogerthebutler
0    -    MisterBadger

Technically, Del scored, so not on suicide watch.
-1.33    -    Delightful

NAPS LANDED       
24    -    Makybe Diva
20    -    gleeman
19    -    squares
19    -    HH Sultan Vinegar
16    -    bodil
16    -    tictacman
10.5    -    Slippy Blue
7.75    -    TheNorfolkMafia
            
SCORERS       
RACE 1     -    10
RACE 2     -    18
RACE 3    -    15
RACE 4    -    8
RACE 5    -    23
RACE 6    -    6
RACE 7     -    7
       
POINTS SCORED       
RACE 1     -    65.25
RACE 2     -    66.06
RACE 3    -    115.1
RACE 4    -    77
RACE 5    -    151.2
RACE 6    -    87.5
RACE 7     -    105
       
BONUS CHASE        
24 went out in race 1        
2 more went out in race 2       
3 more out in race 3        
pumphol got 10 points (on scoreboard)  while Slippy Blue  and TheNorfolkMafia crashed out        
Monte Christo and bodil have 20 points each  (not on scoreboard yet)        
Monte Christo and bodil stay on 20 points each  (now on scoreboard)

SCORECHECKER

2-00
Salateen....5.25
Goring....14

2-30
Angelic Lord...3.67
Growl....3.67

3-00
Mecca's Angel.....10
Reckless Abandon....3.87
Steps....7

3-35
Bob....11
Janaab....24
Dansili Dutch....8

4-10
Clon Brulee....4.2
Red Galileo....12

4-45
Lincoln....9.5
Sir Robert Cheval....14
Nezar....29

5-15
Exposed...29
Peaashooter....12
Singeur....10
Adam's Ale....8

IF YOU  HAVE A QUERY WITH YOUR SCORE LEAVE IT ON THIS THREAD BEFORE NOON TOMORROW

AT 12-01 P.M. THE PREVIOUS DAYS COMPETITION WILL BE DEEMED AS 'WEIGHED-IN' AND NO SCORES WILL BE ALTERED

PUT TOMORROW'S PICKS ON THIS THREAD UNTIL THE DAY 2 THREAD APPEARS LATER TONIGHT

 
NEXT COMPETITION IS ON

September 18th - 20th

AYR GOLD CUP MEETING

7 MINUTES AND 40 SECONDS

TO THE OFF AT KEMPTON

IS YOUR JACKPOT ON?

Bimbo - nap
J Wonder
Seal of Approval
Lexington Times
Long Cross
Blue Waltz
Secateur
Baby Strange

thanks

Sixty points?

Piece of pi$$!

1.40 Secret Spirit
2.10 Dutch Rose
2.40 Silk Sari
3.15 The Great War
3.45 Cosseted
4.25 Limousine
5.00 Dannyday
5.35 Bajan Bear (NAP)

thanks

1.40 Persun
2.10 Evita Peron
2.40 Island Remede
3.15 Intiwin
3.45 Angelic Upstart ...NAP
4.25 Principle Equation
5.00 Archery Peak
5.35 Johnny Cavagin

Stocking
Dutch Rose
Silk Sari
Natural Order (NAP)
Out of Bounds
Blue Waltz
Proposed
Extrasolar

Chances Are  NAP
Evita Peron
Dark Crusader
The Great War
Saxo Jack
Principle Equation
Magic Circle
Pennine Warrior

Bimbo
Al Thakhira
Groovejet
Kibaar
Angelic Upstart
Limousine
Illya Kuriakin
Baby Strange(nap)

thanks

Vesnina
Bragging
Seal Of Approval
Fox Trotter
Long Cross
Flippant (NAP)
King of Normandy
Regiment

Gregoria
Bragging nap
Melrose Abbey
Mattmu
Elhaame
Blue Waltz
King Of Normandy
Bajan Bear

The day 2 thread would have been a better choice