Unemployment is going down

Plus, this years tranche of 16 year old school leavers who don't go onto further education doesn't exist, as they now have to stay in education/approved apprenticeships until age 18. So for the next couple of years you have the previously unemployed reaching state retirement age dropping off the figures, but not being replaced with the usual 16 year old dropouts with nowhere to go.

Yeah that as well

On the board in the Job Centre they had Work Experience for IKEA , So IKEA have jobs but want FREE labour

Also you have to assemble your own work desk

Aug 6, 2014 -- 3:13PM, Crisp77 wrote:

Also you have to assemble your own work desk

More than likely what jokers , imagine wokring in ikea for free and they are heading to the boozer ( unlikely at ikea ) after work and you go on payday na lads a do this for free so im out

My stepdaughters mate got a job at a local supermarket along with 40 others as an Internet Shopper.  Tuesday through to Sunday 4am - 8am minimum wage. You've got to run a car to get there at that time and after deductions your earning £150 for a 6 day week, getting up at 3am every morning except Mondays.

Can`t she go on her bike if it`s a local supermarket Tommy. I know it`s pitch black but how local is local?

Another idea would be if there are 40 new starters they could arrange car share or some arrangement. She won`t be paying tax or NI on 24 hours a week@ minimum wage.

There are positives.

Sorry got that wrong about minimum wage, it actually pays 6.70 an hour so there is N.I.  The girl has done the job for about 3 months and it fits in with her studies so fair play to her.  It was just an example of the type of jobs now on offer.  She actually drives to the store from about 7 miles away, the store is local to me not her.

Only a few pence of NI Tommy 94p. Yes i agree with the crud hours of availability being offered these days, plus if someone had to take a 2nd part time job to top up to get the equivalent of full time hours then there are Tax/NI contribution implications that can follow.

How many are on zero hours contracts compared to 10 years ago?

TommyBarnes 07 Aug 14 09:21 
Sorry got that wrong about minimum wage, it actually pays 6.70 an hour so there is N.I.  The girl has done the job for about 3 months and it fits in with her studies so fair play to her.  It was just an example of the type of jobs now on offer.  She actually drives to the store from about 7 miles away, the store is local to me not her.


4am-8am is a great shift imo Dont see how its any different to people who get up at stupid oclock and go for a run/gym/dog walk before work.

£150p/w its only part time. Doesnt sound like the most stressful job in the world or one that needs a bunch of qualifications.

A problem often forgotten is that working odd hours or shift work/nights is that your housemates, neighbours or workmen are not sympathetic to your required sleep structure.

Students need to get the balance right.

I voulnteered to work for my dole money this time last year, i done the 8 weeks and worked well, i missed 2 days, now granted they were mondays, but the cu nts never took me on, i can assure u i wont be voulnterring again, they just use and abuse people

thats £150 in a country where tax avoidance footballers are on a million a month and we pay for camerons [worth 30 million ]mortgage,paper clips and hobknobs,

the bhouys .........my son had a similar experience ,he had an interview for an 8 weeks work in some shopping center miles away from where we live, it took him nearly 2 hours to get there and they wanted him to work the 8 weeks for feck all( volunteering ) the fares would have been at least a £5 a day ,but they guaranteed him an interview after the 8 weeks by which time they would have had another lot of "mugs" who did 8 weeks work for feck all ,

its all about budgets bhoys
some fat (unt of a manager lapping it up because he saved so many hours and gets a nice bonus for it.

some things some (unts will do eh

i rememeber you saying that last year bhoys , fck them dont work for free if they ahve jobs tehre at least minimum wage whould be paid

its slave labour buttered down to the new name work experience , you do work experience when your 14-15 at school ffs

have* there* would*

they want bag baggers in sainsburys for work experience also , so ikea and sainsburys have joined the list of free jobs

this is beyond a joke now , i would rather cut my neighbours grass than work for these fkcers for free

yes it is appalling exploitation

If unemployment is going down, it is only from the appalling levels Cameron's own policies drove it up to

I remember our town centre and job centre in 2008...before the Credit Crunch
I look at it now and it looks like we have experienced war
the difference is that marked

yes the Credit Crunch did for us

The rich have shielded themselves against this, the poor, weak most vulnerable always end up carrying the can

Even though our living standards have benefitted by cheap imports

in other ways I have never seen this country so poor

I seen a guy who must be 55 hes an ex supply teacher and they ant him to do work exerience in a charity shop , he said ive worked since i was 12 , thats bad

its unbelievable
but this is what the Tories want.....they want inequality back
they seek to make the rich richer...the poor poorer

I have never ever seen so much lack of opportunity as we have now

There is plenty jobs selling insulation etc but if you chap 500 doors and no sales you dont get paid

Try selling insulation at a door is quite hard imo , if someone needs if they get it

by the way my son told em to shove it up their @rse! and I agreed ,although I  did think the language he used was too mild

I agree TheChaser..of course they do

Foyleswar

agree with ebulgery here! these khoonts are trying to kick us back to Edwardian times !

give your son a pat on the back

talking about Edwardian times ........I remember watching a t.v programme about the Edwardian upper classed and their treatment of what they considered  the lower or working classes ......an Edwardian upper class family were on a picnic in the countryside on a very hot day and were being pestered by wasps around the food ,so they ordered the help /footman to sit about 50ft away with a pot of jam to keep the wasps away from them , the rotten bastrds

did the footman doing for free though

Why rely on someone else to give you a job. Start up a business and go self employed then the only person you'll have to blame is yourself if it doesn't work.

foyleswar

The sad truth is we are a declining economically, we have been now since the 60's when I left school

One problem we have always had..is our own divisiveness and greed, everything we do has to be done for self interest
not for a society as a whole, as the Germans are prepared to do, see the difference in results

Modern Tory policy since Thatcher is to dismantle society. Government want to govern by not governing.
They claim it benefits us, but it never has, just increases greed.

We seriously need to reduce our population, we need do not need a growing population in a country that
is growing poorer by the year.

I am amazed we have held it together for so long. Hope it sees me out.
But the lack of any hope in our society concerns me now, there is no future for us.

bix  • August 7, 2014 6:36 PM BST
Why rely on someone else to give you a job. Start up a business and go self employed then the only person you'll have to blame is yourself if it doesn't work.

I see lots of small business round me. How much money do they make?
There are only so many entrepreneurial opportunities. This is not a sign of wealth, it is a sign of poverty, we just feed off each other.

Somebody suggested on here once we all become window cleaners....2 1/2 million window cleaners FFS!
In fact there is not enough work for the ones we have, it is the first thing people economise on.

agreed ebul fear for the future of my teenage  sons ,my daughter who is in her 20s has 4 jobs is renting because she  cannot afford to buy a place of her own and is off to australia for a year hoping to earn enough to get a decent a mount for at least a deposit either here or abroad for a house

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Why rely on someone else to give you a job. Start up a business and go self employed then the only person you'll have to blame is yourself if it doesn't work.


Need cash to start though , im in the midddle of something just now but it wont work over night

Everyone a window cleaner racing your neighbour to the next street and undercutting them just for a loaf of bread

true Chaser

In fact I see people trying. But if they succeed it will be in spite of government
not because of them

gl though
its getting tougher by the year

looking at the PGA money list we should all take up golf

The amount of emtpy shops suggests dont open a fkicng shop

a fruit and veg shop opened in my area and lasted about a year tops , tesco is only down the road so people shopping wont leave tesco to go for a bag of apples or oranges

good plan zazu you got any decent 7 irons i lost mine when i had a scrap with my neighbour

No everybody is entrepreneurial either.
They just want a steady 40 hours a week. They work conscientiously
We also need these people. We are stupid to think we can do without them.

I agree chaser I don't see any long term viability in a lot of these small businesses.
I feel people have been conned into starting them at times

Theres 3 hairdressers within 500metres of each other near mem, all been going since Jesus was around.

openning a choco shop is a common one,i remember thorntons openning and they,d be queuing outside on a saturday to pay £8 for a box of chocs,that was 35 years ago,now you can buy a box it needs 2 to carry from heron or any discount shop for £4, most of these choco shops arnt people with great ideas but middlemen banging out belgum chocs

barbers will alays make cash

if you have a shop £8 a cut takes like 10-15 mins , even 2 an hour a day and you laughin if the rent isnt too much

but who can be fooked learning it is the difference

but who can be fooked learning it is the difference

In a nutshell chaser. Far easier to moan that there's no work out there.

If you didn't want to learn womens' hairdressing do mens' hair. A lot easier and there's an aweful lot of mens' heads about!
When I was in business I used to have a girl come to the office who cut the blokes' hair on the premises. A regular apointment about every 6 weeks and no sitting around in a barbers waiting for your turn. So easy, very little overheads, regular business and easy to set up.

thats 12 cuts a day, 72 cuts a week,then next week,

Another good one is tree surgery. OK you've got to learn it and it'll take a bit more to set up but once you get going it's like haircutting because the trees keep growing and you have to keep going back to your customers to keep them under control. Good money as well but sorry you've got to get off your backside to do it.

That's the trees under control not the customers!

you could also franchise and branch that out

you sound like bigby bones telling everyone they should be designing grand prix cars

Mens hairdressing must take about a week to learn


Womens hairdressing is the real cash cow. £150 for a cut and colour

hadn't twigged the tree surgery bix ,i just oak i am not barking up the wrong tree trying this

on second thought s think i will leaf it !

and all you budding buisness men and women out there remember the golden rule and 1st thing you must do is,

install a credit card machine because everyones living on the never ,never,no cash allowed,

There is still only so many hairdressers required, and tree surgeons Bix
I don't think the market will support one million new hairdressers, and one million new tree surgeons
do you??????

Those were just two examples ebulGery. There is an infinitesimal amount of opportunities but as you say not everyone wants to be an entrepeneur.
It is a law of nature that nothing stays the same not even for a millisecond and that is what has happened to the jobs market. When we left school in the 60s if you were not particularly academic (what was known as "factory fodder")you went into the local factory if male and the girls into nursing or office work. Everybody left school and went straight into a job. Being unemployed was not an option.
Those jobs are no longer there so society and individuals have to change as well to the radically different situation we find ourselves in now and find a way of adapting.
Easier said than done of course.

The answer is to start backing winners on Betfair ... tax free income! But you have to gauge it correctly or you'll get caught by the premium charge.

Has anyone ever seen a definition of exactly who is classified as unemployed?
Just one instance a fireman who has retired at 55 but wants to carry on working but cannot find another job. Is he classed as unemployed for government figures?
Or a woman of 61 who cant yet pick up her state retirement pension and has no job.

bix  • August 8, 2014 8:12 AM BST 


Those were just two examples ebulGery. There is an infinitesimal amount of opportunities but as you say not everyone wants to be an entrepeneur.
It is a law of nature that nothing stays the same not even for a millisecond and that is what has happened to the jobs market. When we left school in the 60s if you were not particularly academic (what was known as "factory fodder")you went into the local factory if male and the girls into nursing or office work. Everybody left school and went straight into a job. Being unemployed was not an option.
Those jobs are no longer there so society and individuals have to change as well to the radically different situation we find ourselves in now and find a way of adapting.
Easier said than done of course.

That is a very good post Bix..indeed we need to adapt

My problem with this is the Tories are pushing this for idealogical reasons, rather than the good of this country.
I have a big problem with this, since I think it may be doing us more harm than good

One thing we must do , is control our own population, if we are growing poorer we cannot go on increasing our population
or at some time in the future I would fear real hardship

There a few other policies all parties are pursuing which I know will harm us.

But any policy which is for the benefit of society as a whole or of long term benefit I do approve of

ps
I fail to see any long term benefit in splitting up the UK at all, so I am completely baffled
as why we are allowing Scotland a referendum????????????
an example of a harmful policy id they say yes to it

if

barbers will alays make cash says the chaser

I've heard there having to make cuts

Learning a trade and going your own way is a great idea, I am looking to do this in October.  Funding is an issue though, if your over 25 you won't get bursaries or loans.  Two hairdressing diplomas will set you back £2,300 at the local Tech.  The 3 AAT (accountancy) qualifications will set you back £4,200.  These aren't options if are currently unemployed.  The neo cons will tell you to buy a secondhand copy of hairdressing for dummies from Amazon for £3, a pair of scissors and a basin from poundland.  Well good luck with that option.

Have you ever asked a hairdresser to see their qualifications? Or heard of one being taken to court for fraud?

A day on YouTube and men's hairdressing is sorted

Coalition should have stood up for the ordinary worker and reversed all the damage that Brown caused instead of just continuing the damage.

I still don't buy this hairdressing business opportunity.  You are skint/potless and on the dole.  You are still going to need money for equipment, transportation and public liability insurance.  When you go to borrow this cash even if its from Pounds to Pocket, they are still going to want to know your business credentials.  I can't see it being enough that you went on YouTube and watched a couple of episodes of Desmonds.

A day on YouTube and men's hairdressing is sorted

you do realise that if you foook up someone's hair you are likely to be stabbed / shot in the leg as a form of payment?

self employment sounds the easy option but hard if you have been a wage slave in the past....but it may be the only option for some

Any liability insurance is gonna be worthless if you have just cut the Barnet of a 22 stone rugby player and when he looks in a mirror he sees that you've made him look like Jim Carey in Dumb and Dumber

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A day on YouTube and men's hairdressing is sorted

you do realise that if you foook up someone's hair you are likely to be stabbed / shot in the leg as a form of payment?