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25 Jul 14
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By Greg Milam, US Correspondent
Police in California are investigating after an 80-year-old homeowner shot dead a burglar even though she told him she was pregnant.
Tom Greer said he returned to his Long Beach home on Tuesday night to find a man and woman ransacking it for cash.
The intruders knocked the retiree to the floor, but he managed to reach his .22-calibre revolver when they turned their focus back to the robbery.
Mr Greer told NBC Los Angeles: "I come back and they see me with a gun, and they run."
While the man managed to escape, Mr Greer said he caught up with the woman in the alley behind his house.
"She says, 'Don't shoot me, I'm pregnant! I'm going to have a baby!' And I shot her anyway," he told NBC.
"She was dead. I shot her twice, she best be dead. He had run off and left her. I shot her so that's going to leave a message on his mind for the rest of his life."
Police said the woman, who was in her 20s, was pronounced dead at the scene. They have not confirmed whether she was pregnant.
The couple were not believed to have been armed.
Neighbours say Mr Greer had been the victim of numerous burglaries before.
George Romero told KTLA: "I remember the first break-in, they literally tore down the front door. That's when I came in and met him and said: 'What's going on?'
"Apparently this couple has been doing this neighbourhood for some time."
Mr Greer, who required hospital treatment for injuries to his shoulder, told NBC that the same couple had robbed him on two previous occasions.
Neighbour George Prince Jr told KTLA: "Some people have the ability to protect themselves, other people don't. Fortunately, this person did have that ability."
Police say they are continuing to search for the second suspect and are investigating the incident.
No one has been arrested.
Police in California are investigating after an 80-year-old homeowner shot dead a burglar even though she told him she was pregnant.
Tom Greer said he returned to his Long Beach home on Tuesday night to find a man and woman ransacking it for cash.
The intruders knocked the retiree to the floor, but he managed to reach his .22-calibre revolver when they turned their focus back to the robbery.
Mr Greer told NBC Los Angeles: "I come back and they see me with a gun, and they run."
While the man managed to escape, Mr Greer said he caught up with the woman in the alley behind his house.
"She says, 'Don't shoot me, I'm pregnant! I'm going to have a baby!' And I shot her anyway," he told NBC.
"She was dead. I shot her twice, she best be dead. He had run off and left her. I shot her so that's going to leave a message on his mind for the rest of his life."
Police said the woman, who was in her 20s, was pronounced dead at the scene. They have not confirmed whether she was pregnant.
The couple were not believed to have been armed.
Neighbours say Mr Greer had been the victim of numerous burglaries before.
George Romero told KTLA: "I remember the first break-in, they literally tore down the front door. That's when I came in and met him and said: 'What's going on?'
"Apparently this couple has been doing this neighbourhood for some time."
Mr Greer, who required hospital treatment for injuries to his shoulder, told NBC that the same couple had robbed him on two previous occasions.
Neighbour George Prince Jr told KTLA: "Some people have the ability to protect themselves, other people don't. Fortunately, this person did have that ability."
Police say they are continuing to search for the second suspect and are investigating the incident.
No one has been arrested.
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If she was pregnant, more than 24 weeks, then that is murder
The old geezer should fry !
The old geezer should fry !
Whats the world coming to when you cant even take other peoples possessions without being shot.
It's murder anyway, pregnant or not. She had run away and was no longer a threat.
Foinavon 25 Jul 14 13:40
It's murder anyway, pregnant or not. She had run away and was no longer a threat.
I know what you mean but "was no longer a threat" could be phrased better as it seems she was a threat to every householder in the district !
It's murder anyway, pregnant or not. She had run away and was no longer a threat.
I know what you mean but "was no longer a threat" could be phrased better as it seems she was a threat to every householder in the district !
Would she have been no longer a threat had they decided to go back and finish the job later that week and decided to batter the old guy at the same time for going after them?
"She says, 'Don't shoot me, I'm pregnant! I'm going to have a baby!' And I shot her anyway,"
I like his style.
I like his style.
Yet another example that American's are idiots.
Would she have been no longer a threat had they decided to go back and finish the job later that week and decided to batter the old guy at the same time for going after them?
He should have shot them both while still inside the house like the British pensioner tried to do a few years ago.
Had they returned he would have had another chance.
I'm surprised the young woman couldn't outpace the 80 year old, probably very fat.
He should have shot them both while still inside the house like the British pensioner tried to do a few years ago.
Had they returned he would have had another chance.
I'm surprised the young woman couldn't outpace the 80 year old, probably very fat.
sounds fair enough to me. she wont have been pregnant anyway, they always say that
Do ScandInavian's alway's u'se unnece's'sary apo'strophe's?
"Ever notice how you come across somebody once in a while you shouldn't have fu
*"Ever notice how you come across somebody once in a while you shouldn't have f*cked with? That's me." —Clint Eastwood as Walt Kowalski in Gran Torino .
is it legal to bobbytrap your windows with hand grenades when you go on holiday?
*boobytrap lol. i wouldnt want to harm our brave bacon in blue. 
Excellent film. Great clip, made me want to watch it again.
cctv a better investment than .22 calibre revolver when it comes to seeking justice imho
Although a .22 calibre revolver could stop you from being beaten to death. Cctv might not.
A heartwarming tale. Love the idea that an 80 year old still has the minerals to blow scum away - female or not. Hope it was the other ****s first love as well and it tortures him to the end of his days.
It's a sad tale but I have sympathy for the 80 year old. He was put in a position where he acted instinctively and the lying about being pregnant would probably have set me off to pull the trigger if I'd been bought up under US culture.
Police said the woman, who was in her 20s, was pronounced dead at the scene. They have not confirmed whether she was pregnant.
American has a problem, American gets the gun.
That's the only language they understand over there, they have no brains of value for human life whatsoever, yes they were scummy, but they never she didn't deserve to die and a whole family didn't deserve to lose her.
And Yes I am fully aware my name is misspelt
That's the only language they understand over there, they have no brains of value for human life whatsoever, yes they were scummy, but they never she didn't deserve to die and a whole family didn't deserve to lose her.
And Yes I am fully aware my name is misspelt
guy was more hurt than op suggests
http://mobile.rawstory.com/all/2014-07-24-california-80-year-old-satisfied-after-gunning-down-fleeing-pregnant-home-intruder#2
http://mobile.rawstory.com/all/2014-07-24-california-80-year-old-satisfied-after-gunning-down-fleeing-pregnant-home-intruder#2
I am with the octogenarian here
she did want to be shot don't burgle his house
she did want to be shot don't burgle his house
George Romero told KTLA: "I remember the first break-in, they literally tore down the front door. That's when I came in and met him and said: 'What's going on?'
The director of 'Night Of The Living Dead' is a neighbour
The director of 'Night Of The Living Dead' is a neighbour
people who burgle in the usa must take on board the possibility of getting shot.
The beauty of reports like this, is that it sends out a message to thieves that if they break into people's houses they're likely to be shot.
Think of the effect a few killings would have on the toe-rags in the UK if they were subject to the same immediate justice.
Don't say that would lead to burglars arming themselves. Armed burglary is a far more serious offence than simple burglary.
Burglars want your possessions to sell for money.
They don't break into houses to get involved in a shoot out.
Think of the effect a few killings would have on the toe-rags in the UK if they were subject to the same immediate justice.
Don't say that would lead to burglars arming themselves. Armed burglary is a far more serious offence than simple burglary.
Burglars want your possessions to sell for money.
They don't break into houses to get involved in a shoot out.
to be fair, burglars are pretty low. imagine how much we'd all save if we didnt need alarms, secure windows and doors, insurance. the cost is huge compared to the pittance they sell the stuff for, if we get burgled.
ive thought about putting up a note (inside, obviously) saying "burglars: what i have is important to me, but worth bugger all to anybody else. i really dont want the hassle of having to clear up your mess or replace things you take. if you leave quietly leaving no mess behind and dont take anything, just leave your paypal name and i will send you £500 instead. this will save us both a lot of hassle. thank you for your kindly assistance!"
ive thought about putting up a note (inside, obviously) saying "burglars: what i have is important to me, but worth bugger all to anybody else. i really dont want the hassle of having to clear up your mess or replace things you take. if you leave quietly leaving no mess behind and dont take anything, just leave your paypal name and i will send you £500 instead. this will save us both a lot of hassle. thank you for your kindly assistance!"
if anybody burgled me when im in, i'll be honest i'd grab a golf club (or failing that, a large kitchen knife) and batter/stab them til they stop moving. id worry about what the law says i should do, later.
if more people took this attitude, there would be less burglary i reckon. its the principle of the thing. dont come in my b@stard house.
if more people took this attitude, there would be less burglary i reckon. its the principle of the thing. dont come in my b@stard house.
Burglars deserve a good beating so they think twice about doing it again, but to actually kill one? probably means you belong in jail yourself as you will only eventually do someone harm with that kind of temper, the only way burglary levels will go down though is if the law stats you are allowed to give them a good beating, as of now they have to much rights and worry little about the consequences of being caught, britains has always been stupid when it comes to laws, I mean what plank of wood thought it was a good idea to introduce SQUATTERS rights, give someone a place to stay for free at the expense of a hard working family dear me, that's one of many reasons why gamblers should never feel bad about paying no tax, given the amount of tax money the government spun k on wars we they can't win, tax dodgers re fine by me too
Thankfully I've never been burgled but the thought of losing precious items so some scum can get a bag curdles my blood. So while I find this alarming and the apparent glee of the old boy a bit disturbing I have to agree with the point that you can guarantee not to get shot while committing a burglary if you don't commit the burglary in the first place.
Must be bit of a dilemma for the neo-con repubicans. Pro-guns but pro-life were babies are concerned.
................just leave your paypal name and i will send you £500 instead. this will save us both a lot of hassle. thank you for your kindly assistance!"
people would be queuing up around to corner to break into your place.
people would be queuing up around to corner to break into your place.
In the meantime, Adams has been arrested and booked on suspicion of murder and robbery.
In California a person can be charged with their accomplice’s death if it occurs during the commission of a crime. Adams is being held on more than $1-million bail.
Police say Adams and Miller attacked Greer after he walked in on them burglarizing his home in the 3900 block of Country Club Drive in the upscale Bixby Knolls neighborhood.
But when Greer produced a .22-caliber handgun, they fled. Greer told KNBC he chased the pair and shot Miller twice in the back in an alley, then pulled her body back onto his lot.
Police confirmed that the intruders beat Greer with their fists, body slammed him to the ground and tried to break into his safe.
Well done, he should get a medal.
In California a person can be charged with their accomplice’s death if it occurs during the commission of a crime. Adams is being held on more than $1-million bail.
Police say Adams and Miller attacked Greer after he walked in on them burglarizing his home in the 3900 block of Country Club Drive in the upscale Bixby Knolls neighborhood.
But when Greer produced a .22-caliber handgun, they fled. Greer told KNBC he chased the pair and shot Miller twice in the back in an alley, then pulled her body back onto his lot.
Police confirmed that the intruders beat Greer with their fists, body slammed him to the ground and tried to break into his safe.
Well done, he should get a medal.
The coroner said she wasn't pregnant.
http://lbpost.com/news/crime/2000004059-long-beach-man-arrested-in-connection-with-tuesday-night-burglary-in-bixby-knolls#.U9P2jPldWQU
http://lbpost.com/news/crime/2000004059-long-beach-man-arrested-in-connection-with-tuesday-night-burglary-in-bixby-knolls#.U9P2jPldWQU
She was lying - deliberate cop-out for that sort.....................'Well done, he should get a medal'. Yes.
WTF is burglarizing?
Bastardization of the English language should be crime.
Bastardization of the English language should be crime.
Imagine having a gun pointed at you and pleading for your life with a lie. What an evil b1tch.
Police confirmed that the intruders beat Greer with their fists, body slammed him to the ground and tried to break into his safe.
Yep, they injured him so badly that the octogenarian was able to give chase to a girl over fifty years his junior, corner her in an alley and commit premeditated murder by shooting her twice at close range with his own pistol - what a hero.
I hope justice is served and he gets sent down for the rest of his life, however long that may be.
Yep, they injured him so badly that the octogenarian was able to give chase to a girl over fifty years his junior, corner her in an alley and commit premeditated murder by shooting her twice at close range with his own pistol - what a hero.
I hope justice is served and he gets sent down for the rest of his life, however long that may be.
I hope they give the old chap a medal for services rendered to the public.
He's saved many more people from being burgled which is worth more than the life of a toe-rag.
He's saved many more people from being burgled which is worth more than the life of a toe-rag.
Sometimes I get a feeling of my empathy being abused by hand wringing luvvies who care more about the scum of the earth than those who spend their lives living by moral codes which don't involve coshing old people and the weak to get what they want and don't care what injury they inflict on the vulnerable to faciliate their perverted desires.
It seems to me that the old boy has a clear conscience and I hope he went back into his apartment, looked at a lifetimes treasured possessions of nick knacks from loved ones which at his age you couldn't put a value on and then went to his fridge opened up a cold one and toasted colt or whoever made his gun and who made sure his name wasn't tucked away late on that evenings news bulletins as yet another statistic.
Consequently I have just one message for the luvvies sobbing their little hearts out for all the scum of the earth who break into other peoples houses to steal their possessions:
BOO FUCCKING HOO.
It seems to me that the old boy has a clear conscience and I hope he went back into his apartment, looked at a lifetimes treasured possessions of nick knacks from loved ones which at his age you couldn't put a value on and then went to his fridge opened up a cold one and toasted colt or whoever made his gun and who made sure his name wasn't tucked away late on that evenings news bulletins as yet another statistic.
Consequently I have just one message for the luvvies sobbing their little hearts out for all the scum of the earth who break into other peoples houses to steal their possessions:
BOO FUCCKING HOO.
If he had shot the bloke instead I doubt there would even be a thread on this, if you break into someone's home in the states your asking to be shot, don't wanna be shot then stay the f!ck away from breaking & entering.
Facts
26 Jul 14 14:19
Plenty of rednecks on this thread.
^^^Would just hand over any cash, jewellery and car keys.
26 Jul 14 14:19
Plenty of rednecks on this thread.
^^^Would just hand over any cash, jewellery and car keys.
its funny that the guy burglar could get charged with murder, cos he was part of a crime that led to her death. i like that law, should do that here.
It would have been funny if he had shot the bloke and the coppers turned up to see him laid out without any boots on and the old guy was now wearing them because they were a better pair than his own and on the basis that the scroat wouldn't be needing them any more. Now that would be one cool motherfrucker.
pumphol. • July 26, 2014 11:32 PM BST
If he had shot the bloke instead I doubt there would even be a thread on this, if you break into someone's home in the states your asking to be shot, don't wanna be shot then stay the f!ck away from breaking & entering.
I totally agree pumphol
If he had shot the bloke instead I doubt there would even be a thread on this, if you break into someone's home in the states your asking to be shot, don't wanna be shot then stay the f!ck away from breaking & entering.
I totally agree pumphol
Difficult to see how they could charge the male burglar with murder???????????????
unless the women was forced into the burglary, I have some doubt of that myself?
what if the octogenarian had shot and killed him., he would be charged with own murder, posthumously
unless the women was forced into the burglary, I have some doubt of that myself?
what if the octogenarian had shot and killed him., he would be charged with own murder, posthumously
Does not have to be cincidered a hero but 100% right to defend his own property.
There are laws for a reason.
There are laws for a reason.
yes money tree...not that I understand them
I am on the side of the householder here myself
redneck or not
I am on the side of the householder here myself
redneck or not
Eternal optimist your post @ 23:20 is one of the best on these forums.
Everyone should have the right to self defence whether property or bodily.
I will agree money tree
in lieu of the hard times I sometimes give him
in lieu of the hard times I sometimes give him
strictly speaking by that law, if the householder had shot the male burglar
then the surviving burglar would have been charged with his murder, the female one
then the surviving burglar would have been charged with his murder, the female one
This is still an interesting case, because when the householder shot her
it was to a degree cold blooded..although he had endured appalling provocation
so my sympathies are with him not her
be interesting to the verdict in this trial
it was to a degree cold blooded..although he had endured appalling provocation
so my sympathies are with him not her
be interesting to the verdict in this trial
If he shot her while she was still in his house perfectly legal
but because he chased and caught her, more difficult legally I would thought
Morally I totally agreed with his statement
but because he chased and caught her, more difficult legally I would thought
Morally I totally agreed with his statement
Can't agree gery, a few trinkets and/or even a large sum of cash is nowhere the value of someone's life
Seeing he knew that this pair had made a previous attempt at his, and some neighbours houses, you would think that they would have been apprehended before now.
Beeing burgled when you are in the house is very disturbing.
We rented a modest four bed detached house, in a quiet cul de sac in Monk Fryston, whilst our new place was being built.
I got up on this beautiful summer's morning for my early game of squash.
First thing I saw was that both the fronty and back doors were open and I thought my little boy had got out.
Then I realised that the sideboard (not ours) in the hall had all the drawers open.
Next that a kitchen window was open so now it hit me.
Went into the lounge and all my hi-fi separates and speakers were gone. There was a large kitchen knife on the floor.
Next realised that some bronze figures were gone.
Additionally to that they took the portable music system, that I bought for my wife, my squash bag which was packed and ready to go,
wine, beer and chocolates from the fridge, the clock off the kitchen wall and whatever else.
The thing is that I don't sleep good so astonishing I didn't hear them!
Even more astonishing is that the neighbours at both sides were away, and one of the houses was far more imposing than ours!
The police said that they literally come with "a shopping list" having done a previous recce.
It is very frightening to know that such scum have been within a few yards of you, and imagining what they were like, and what might have happened if you confronted them.
Beeing burgled when you are in the house is very disturbing.
We rented a modest four bed detached house, in a quiet cul de sac in Monk Fryston, whilst our new place was being built.
I got up on this beautiful summer's morning for my early game of squash.
First thing I saw was that both the fronty and back doors were open and I thought my little boy had got out.
Then I realised that the sideboard (not ours) in the hall had all the drawers open.
Next that a kitchen window was open so now it hit me.
Went into the lounge and all my hi-fi separates and speakers were gone. There was a large kitchen knife on the floor.
Next realised that some bronze figures were gone.
Additionally to that they took the portable music system, that I bought for my wife, my squash bag which was packed and ready to go,
wine, beer and chocolates from the fridge, the clock off the kitchen wall and whatever else.
The thing is that I don't sleep good so astonishing I didn't hear them!
Even more astonishing is that the neighbours at both sides were away, and one of the houses was far more imposing than ours!
The police said that they literally come with "a shopping list" having done a previous recce.
It is very frightening to know that such scum have been within a few yards of you, and imagining what they were like, and what might have happened if you confronted them.
Used to live in the US and was advised that if I shot a robber outside, drag them into the house and it would be ok!
Never tried, though.
Never tried, though.
Can't agree gery, a few trinkets and/or even a large sum of cash is nowhere the value of someone's life
I disagree.
If they live off thieving they're worthless.
I disagree.
If they live off thieving they're worthless.
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