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Why don't they just string em up?
Simple solutions are the best.
Simple solutions are the best.
The daughter of one of those murdered by the culprit said she didn't think it was barbaric and that he deserved to suffer. It is difficult for me to argue with that.
As an expert in forensics I can tell you that they were using experimental drugs because the American and European manufacturers of the drug of choice, Thiopentone, refuse to supply it for the purpose of execution! It is not easy to both this up. I could of sent him over in a couple of minutes!
I hope this enhances your knowledge of execution techniques!
As an expert in forensics I can tell you that they were using experimental drugs because the American and European manufacturers of the drug of choice, Thiopentone, refuse to supply it for the purpose of execution! It is not easy to both this up. I could of sent him over in a couple of minutes!
I hope this enhances your knowledge of execution techniques!
The sentence was death, not to be tortured to death
I find it ironic that a society that claims to be civilised and condemns other societies because they are backward
thinks torturing someone to death is ok, not with me
it degrades us, it takes us down to the perpetrators level
in this respect the US has the poorest values of any other society on earth
I find it ironic that a society that claims to be civilised and condemns other societies because they are backward
thinks torturing someone to death is ok, not with me
it degrades us, it takes us down to the perpetrators level
in this respect the US has the poorest values of any other society on earth
I am sure it doesn't degrade us the way the murderer degraded his victims! And if you have watched any of the US prison programmes on the television, you would realise that some of the things these murderers do to their victims means they deserve a fate worse than death.
I was invited to a WI do once. Now that was a fete worse than death!
I once spent 12 hours on a flight from Delhi to Heathrow sitting next to someone who had just eaten garlic and onions. There was NO fate worse than breath!
no doctor my dad always tried to get me to have breakfast in the bath, took me years to work out what he was up to
Nice one nick!
BB-at least that was better than having an MP named on that missing list trying to get you to have breakfast in the bath. We would certainly know what he was up to!
BB-at least that was better than having an MP named on that missing list trying to get you to have breakfast in the bath. We would certainly know what he was up to!
I once spent 12 hours on a flight from Delhi to Heathrow sitting next to someone who had just eaten garlic and onions. There was NO fate worse than breath!
In First Class ?
In First Class ?
No Nick, in those days I could only afford business class. It was on BA!
BB- if the incentive was there, my guess is that Cyril would of tried!
Whatever someone has done I do not think it justifies torturing someone to death
I rather thought humanity had moved on from that one, sadly it appears we have not
We are as nasty and brutal as we ever were, we always will be, we cannot change ourselves.
This confirms that belief.
I rather thought humanity had moved on from that one, sadly it appears we have not
We are as nasty and brutal as we ever were, we always will be, we cannot change ourselves.
This confirms that belief.
EG - the thread title is "Botched Execution".
There was no intention to torture him
There was no intention to torture him
Wouldn't the most "humane" method be to completely sever the spinal chord between the 2nd and third verabrae? You'd just stop breathing and it would be over in a couple of minutes. Surely you could do this by firing a blade in from behind, without the uncertainty of hanging or the mess of guillotining.
You've been falling out with those parking wardens again, haven't you Stevie?
Guilotine hasnt been bettered.
Funny how they dont give them a dose of morphine or something before. Reckon they are not too displeased that they have inadvertently tortured them. How hard is it to administer a faal dose of something
Funny how they dont give them a dose of morphine or something before. Reckon they are not too displeased that they have inadvertently tortured them. How hard is it to administer a faal dose of something
they should put em in the cube. no, not the itv thing with philip schofield. the movie, the cube. where theyre all erm...in a cube. an that.
i_agree_with_nick • July 24, 2014 3:48 PM BST
EG - the thread title is "Botched Execution".
There was no intention to torture him
If it took 2 hours to kill him...I regard that as torture
and why this punishment at all...like the electric chair
Why not just hang him or shoot him, most other countries use this
Why the need to increase the time of carrying our the sentence... I assume to inflict pain....that is torture in my book
EG - the thread title is "Botched Execution".
There was no intention to torture him
If it took 2 hours to kill him...I regard that as torture
and why this punishment at all...like the electric chair
Why not just hang him or shoot him, most other countries use this
Why the need to increase the time of carrying our the sentence... I assume to inflict pain....that is torture in my book
"There was no intention"
I'd do it in bigger letters for you if I knew how
I'd do it in bigger letters for you if I knew how
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No I stand by this....why is this method of execution used?...and I doubt this has only happened once
although it does not usually take 2 hours
If the intention is to prolong the death process to inflict pain..that is torture
Why does the US do it?
The US condemn Muslim and African societies as barbaric because they do not like gays
They moan at China for locking people up for nothing
They moan at Russia for just about everything they do
and yet these countries do not see the need to inflict pain in carrying out the death sentence
so why does the US do it?
although it does not usually take 2 hours
If the intention is to prolong the death process to inflict pain..that is torture
Why does the US do it?
The US condemn Muslim and African societies as barbaric because they do not like gays
They moan at China for locking people up for nothing
They moan at Russia for just about everything they do
and yet these countries do not see the need to inflict pain in carrying out the death sentence
so why does the US do it?
Do you honestly think the US uses lethal injection as a method of execution because it is more painful and tortuous?
It is seen as the least barbaric and most humane method.
If the intention is to prolong the death process to inflict pain..that is torture
Why does the US do it?
The US condemn Muslim and African societies as barbaric because they do not like gays
They moan at China for locking people up for nothing
They moan at Russia for just about everything they do
and yet these countries do not see the need to inflict pain in carrying out the death sentence
so why does the US do it?
No, Saudi Arabia behead their death sentencees in public and other Muslim countries stone women to death for comitting adultery.
It is seen as the least barbaric and most humane method.
If the intention is to prolong the death process to inflict pain..that is torture
Why does the US do it?
The US condemn Muslim and African societies as barbaric because they do not like gays
They moan at China for locking people up for nothing
They moan at Russia for just about everything they do
and yet these countries do not see the need to inflict pain in carrying out the death sentence
so why does the US do it?
No, Saudi Arabia behead their death sentencees in public and other Muslim countries stone women to death for comitting adultery.
The US condemn Muslim and African societies as barbaric because they do not like gays
They moan at China for locking people up for nothing
They moan at Russia for just about everything they do
and yet these countries do not see the need to inflict pain in carrying out the death sentence
so why does the US do it?
From wikipedia:
China commonly employs two methods of execution. Since 1949, the most common method has been execution by firing squad, which has been largely superseded by lethal injection, using the same three-drug cocktail pioneered by the United States, introduced in 1996. Execution vans are unique to China, however. Lethal injection is more commonly used for "economic crimes", such as corruption, while firing squads are used for more common crimes like murder. In 2010, Chinese authorities moved to have lethal injection become the dominant form of execution; in some provinces and municipalities, it is now the only legal form of capital punishment
They moan at China for locking people up for nothing
They moan at Russia for just about everything they do
and yet these countries do not see the need to inflict pain in carrying out the death sentence
so why does the US do it?
From wikipedia:
China commonly employs two methods of execution. Since 1949, the most common method has been execution by firing squad, which has been largely superseded by lethal injection, using the same three-drug cocktail pioneered by the United States, introduced in 1996. Execution vans are unique to China, however. Lethal injection is more commonly used for "economic crimes", such as corruption, while firing squads are used for more common crimes like murder. In 2010, Chinese authorities moved to have lethal injection become the dominant form of execution; in some provinces and municipalities, it is now the only legal form of capital punishment
oh dear
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lethal_injection
If it works as intended. Them it is a painless death.
The problem is the initial anaesthesia drug in some cases wears off before the person is dead
they then suffer a painful death
and yes other countries are adopting this
so basically I have been defeated here
......but I have expressed my concerns
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lethal_injection
If it works as intended. Them it is a painless death.
The problem is the initial anaesthesia drug in some cases wears off before the person is dead
they then suffer a painful death
and yes other countries are adopting this
so basically I have been defeated here
......but I have expressed my concerns
Yes stoning to death remains law in some Islamic countries
it is a death by torture punishment..my concern about lethal injection
But nowadays it is very rarely carried our, once the sentence is passed it is not usually carried out
it is commuted
Where they have been carried out, this is not usually part of the legal process
it is a death by torture punishment..my concern about lethal injection
But nowadays it is very rarely carried our, once the sentence is passed it is not usually carried out
it is commuted
Where they have been carried out, this is not usually part of the legal process
I would have trebled it to 12 hours
nah make it a few days
the spanish were good at it a few centuries ago
and so were we
nah make it a few days
the spanish were good at it a few centuries ago
and so were we
I would have trebled it to 12 hours
nah make it a few days
the spanish were good at it a few centuries ago
and so were we
nah make it a few days
the spanish were good at it a few centuries ago
and so were we
Hanging and electric chair are still retained in many of the 35 US states that have the death penalty but are not used as lethal injection is the primary method
I watched an interesting program recently
about someone whose job it was to maintain and service electric chairs
When people challenged him on this, how could you do such a job?
he said the electric chairs I service have become so run down, the death process was extended
his comment was the punishment was death, not death by torture, which was in effect happening
Sadly he lost his job, because he was trapped into being a holocaust denier, someone showed him a part of Auschwitz
and said in your professional opinion could you gas people here, he answered honestly and said no
so they said well that proves the holocaust never happened...I think he had been set up myself
Yes electric chairs remain, although not usually used now, they must have found someone else to service an maintain them,
or they just don't bother
about someone whose job it was to maintain and service electric chairs
When people challenged him on this, how could you do such a job?
he said the electric chairs I service have become so run down, the death process was extended
his comment was the punishment was death, not death by torture, which was in effect happening
Sadly he lost his job, because he was trapped into being a holocaust denier, someone showed him a part of Auschwitz
and said in your professional opinion could you gas people here, he answered honestly and said no
so they said well that proves the holocaust never happened...I think he had been set up myself
Yes electric chairs remain, although not usually used now, they must have found someone else to service an maintain them,
or they just don't bother
Pierrepoint himself, argued against the death penalty, at the end. His book is quite a good read.
Albert Pierrepoint, Britain's last official hangman, always prided himself on doing a good clean job
it was always done quickly
He executed over 400 people, including those after the Nuremburg trials
I watched a program once, when the chap to be hanged, said I have always wanted to meet you, but not in these circumstances
bang he was gone
I don't know if that was in the book, or it was fiction, I thought it was a good line to go out on
I think I may read that mightymac, sounds interesting
it was always done quickly
He executed over 400 people, including those after the Nuremburg trials
I watched a program once, when the chap to be hanged, said I have always wanted to meet you, but not in these circumstances
bang he was gone
I don't know if that was in the book, or it was fiction, I thought it was a good line to go out on
I think I may read that mightymac, sounds interesting
imagine going to the job centre and when asked what was your previous job
saying public executioner, but we have now abolished the death penaltyq1 so I am out of a job
have you got anything for me?
saying public executioner, but we have now abolished the death penaltyq1 so I am out of a job
have you got anything for me?
It was quite a skilled job, he had to estimate the prisoners weight, so to attach the right weight to them,
and estimate the drop distance
if this not done right, the condemned is either strangled to death, very painful
or their head is completely decapitated messy.
Pierpont prided himself on getting this right, and the speed as well, a door opened in the prisoners cell
they were immediately hooded, hands tied and rushed to the execution trap, weight attached, then bang, before they knew what was happening,
the cell was next to the execution chamber, although the condemned never knew this this
He must have questioned himself at the end of his life, and capital punishment, his entire life devoted
to executing people, as you say mightmac
and estimate the drop distance
if this not done right, the condemned is either strangled to death, very painful
or their head is completely decapitated messy.
Pierpont prided himself on getting this right, and the speed as well, a door opened in the prisoners cell
they were immediately hooded, hands tied and rushed to the execution trap, weight attached, then bang, before they knew what was happening,
the cell was next to the execution chamber, although the condemned never knew this this
He must have questioned himself at the end of his life, and capital punishment, his entire life devoted
to executing people, as you say mightmac
The stuff they use to euthanise animals works more or less instantly, doesn't it? Surely they could use a similar concoction.
This is why I question the current method of lethal injection Alias?????
Regretfully they have extended it on animals, my cat was injected to put him to sleep, he remained awake
they then shaved his paw, put in a tube and completed the process
I very near punched that VET...although it may be standard practice now
It used to be just a quick injection once
Regretfully they have extended it on animals, my cat was injected to put him to sleep, he remained awake
they then shaved his paw, put in a tube and completed the process
I very near punched that VET...although it may be standard practice now
It used to be just a quick injection once
some of us have moved on from that
also the US remains a very lawless society, so a deterrent to murder, it does not work
also the US remains a very lawless society, so a deterrent to murder, it does not work
I have just been informed of the drugs they used-midazolam and hydromorphone-NO WONDER!!!!!
ebulGery
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I watched an interesting program recently
about someone whose job it was to maintain and service electric chairs
When people challenged him on this, how could you do such a job?
he said the electric chairs I service have become so run down, the death process was extended
his comment was the punishment was death, not death by torture, which was in effect happening
Sadly he lost his job, because he was trapped into being a holocaust denier, someone showed him a part of Auschwitz
and said in your professional opinion could you gas people here, he answered honestly and said no
so they said well that proves the holocaust never happened...I think he had been set up myself
Yes electric chairs remain, although not usually used now, they must have found someone else to service an maintain them,
or they just don't bother
I thought he serviced electric chairs
24 Jul 14 21:57
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I watched an interesting program recently
about someone whose job it was to maintain and service electric chairs
When people challenged him on this, how could you do such a job?
he said the electric chairs I service have become so run down, the death process was extended
his comment was the punishment was death, not death by torture, which was in effect happening
Sadly he lost his job, because he was trapped into being a holocaust denier, someone showed him a part of Auschwitz
and said in your professional opinion could you gas people here, he answered honestly and said no
so they said well that proves the holocaust never happened...I think he had been set up myself
Yes electric chairs remain, although not usually used now, they must have found someone else to service an maintain them,
or they just don't bother
I thought he serviced electric chairs
also the US remains a very lawless society, so a deterrent to murder, it does not work
You can say that again. BOTH sides of the law. I'd hate to be at the mercy of the US justice system. Even worse, at the mercy of the "authority" in Guantanamo.
You can say that again. BOTH sides of the law. I'd hate to be at the mercy of the US justice system. Even worse, at the mercy of the "authority" in Guantanamo.
I thought he serviced electric chairs
yes he did. He became seduced by the idea he was an expert on execution techniques.
He did not seem a bad chap, he got himself into something he should not have.
I have forgotten the name of the program. I should have left that bit out.
The point was death in electric chairs is not instantaneous, especially when they have not
been properly serviced.
yes he did. He became seduced by the idea he was an expert on execution techniques.
He did not seem a bad chap, he got himself into something he should not have.
I have forgotten the name of the program. I should have left that bit out.
The point was death in electric chairs is not instantaneous, especially when they have not
been properly serviced.
Death by lethal injection usually works fine.
Unfortunately the drugs they've always used in America are manufactured in the UK or the EU, and we have stopped supplying them to the States because we don't approve of the death penalty.
Now the drugs they are using instead aren't nearly so good at dispatching the victims.
So it's the do-gooders the UK who are to blame for the suffering.
Unfortunately the drugs they've always used in America are manufactured in the UK or the EU, and we have stopped supplying them to the States because we don't approve of the death penalty.
Now the drugs they are using instead aren't nearly so good at dispatching the victims.
So it's the do-gooders the UK who are to blame for the suffering.
you appear to be right Dr Crippen
To me shooting is the best method, bullet through back of head or firing squad
and hanging is perfectly ok.
To me shooting is the best method, bullet through back of head or firing squad
and hanging is perfectly ok.
Why not hang them whilst in an electric chair facing a firing squad.
Surely the quickest method available.
Knowing the yanks would also be a top rated TV show.
Surely the quickest method available.
Knowing the yanks would also be a top rated TV show.
The guillotine is an excellent tool for an execution.
Great entertainment too.
Families sitting around eating pop and crisps until the victim arrives in a cart accompanied by boos and sneers.
Then the victim's crimes are read out. More boos and sneers.
Followed by the walk to the execution platform.
The victim's head is placed under the guillotine and the drums start to roll - they stop.
The blade comes down, the head pops into the basket and a great cheer erupts from the crowd.
Marvellous stuff, if they sold tickets they'd make a fortune.
Great entertainment too.
Families sitting around eating pop and crisps until the victim arrives in a cart accompanied by boos and sneers.
Then the victim's crimes are read out. More boos and sneers.
Followed by the walk to the execution platform.
The victim's head is placed under the guillotine and the drums start to roll - they stop.
The blade comes down, the head pops into the basket and a great cheer erupts from the crowd.
Marvellous stuff, if they sold tickets they'd make a fortune.
They should be placed in a room with nothing else in it apart from a rusty jagged edge knife.
Then play Leonard Cohen records 24/7 at full blast.
If he hasn't killed himself in 7 days, let in one male rat and one female rat, who are both hungry.
He either kills them, or in two months, they will have multiplied, and they eat him.
All on pay per view of course.
Then play Leonard Cohen records 24/7 at full blast.
If he hasn't killed himself in 7 days, let in one male rat and one female rat, who are both hungry.
He either kills them, or in two months, they will have multiplied, and they eat him.
All on pay per view of course.
recommended reading
A Handbook on Hanging by Charles Duff
"All very proper to be read and kept by every family"
"Not very long ago hanging was very popular. A hundred and sixty years ago there were 200 offences for which a man, woman or child could be hanged" (in England).
"One could be hanged for cutting down a tree or associating with gypsies"
A Handbook on Hanging by Charles Duff
"All very proper to be read and kept by every family"
"Not very long ago hanging was very popular. A hundred and sixty years ago there were 200 offences for which a man, woman or child could be hanged" (in England).
"One could be hanged for cutting down a tree or associating with gypsies"
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Handbook-Hanging-Being-Introduction-Execution/dp/075...
Excuse me dear, is this the "Where is Mc Moonbeam" thread?
Super Hans • July 25, 2014 10:04 AM BST
Why not hang them whilst in an electric chair facing a firing squad.
brilliant, you have found the answer Hans
Why not hang them whilst in an electric chair facing a firing squad.
brilliant, you have found the answer Hans
one of that lot should surely kill someone in less than two hours
"The guillotine is an excellent tool for an execution".
During "The French Revolution" whole families went to these spectacles.
Programmes were handed out detailing the order of the condemned, and apparently the stench and flies were terrible.
It was said that some heads were responsive for up to thirty seconds after the chop.
The guillotine was also used by the Nazis, on tens of thousands of people.
During "The French Revolution" whole families went to these spectacles.
Programmes were handed out detailing the order of the condemned, and apparently the stench and flies were terrible.
It was said that some heads were responsive for up to thirty seconds after the chop.
The guillotine was also used by the Nazis, on tens of thousands of people.
Portillo did a programme for BBC a few years ago regarding different execution methods.
Suggested using nitrogen as an alternative to the various current methods
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/broadband/tx/executions/
Suggested using nitrogen as an alternative to the various current methods
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/broadband/tx/executions/
THey euthanise dogs cats horses with an overdose of barbiturates basically ,why cant they do it with humans,
Or why not a humane killer deadbolt gun like they use in slaughterhouses or if their jewish or muslim why not just cut their throats , i mean they say it does not hurt the animals give them a choice and see how many take the knife.
Or why not a humane killer deadbolt gun like they use in slaughterhouses or if their jewish or muslim why not just cut their throats , i mean they say it does not hurt the animals give them a choice and see how many take the knife.
I still come back to previous comment, that the condemned should be anesthetised first,
and then whatever most convenient, and reliable procedure be used to terminate their life!
I mean that the whole procedure could be carried out in the operating theatre.
and then whatever most convenient, and reliable procedure be used to terminate their life!
I mean that the whole procedure could be carried out in the operating theatre.
Were their victims given the courtesy of anesthesia before they were raped ,beaten,shot,stabbed,throttled etc?
"It was said that some heads were responsive for up to thirty seconds after the chop."
And spoke more sense than some forumites on the Politics forum!
flushgordon1
27 Jul 14 10:25
Were their victims given the courtesy of anesthesia before they were raped ,beaten,shot,stabbed,throttled etc?
The luvvies won't like that one.
27 Jul 14 10:25
Were their victims given the courtesy of anesthesia before they were raped ,beaten,shot,stabbed,throttled etc?
The luvvies won't like that one.
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