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Report akabula • July 22, 2014 10:17 PM BST
Until Hamas stop attacking Israel then nothing will happen. You heard Hammond, allowed to defend themselves. .
Report The Leopard • July 22, 2014 10:22 PM BST
Qatar only support left for Hamas......boycott Harrods....owned by Qatari consortium !
Report The Leopard • July 22, 2014 10:23 PM BST
Just been on BBC news
Report brigust1 • July 22, 2014 11:03 PM BST
BBC NewsLaugh
Report The Leopard • July 22, 2014 11:19 PM BST
Hamas has lost Syria, Iran and Egypt....only Qatar left....time they left London !
Report Al Dente • July 22, 2014 11:53 PM BST
Israel consistently refuses to obey United Nations directions, but that's okay; it is Israel after all and they can do whatever they like with impunity; Big Bro over the Atlantic will give them whatever they want, be it cash or weaponry. Oh, and check out how many countries Big Bro has invaded since WW2.
Report brassneck • July 23, 2014 12:37 AM BST
your right al,Israel is little America.
Report The Leopard • July 23, 2014 12:56 AM BST
If Isle of Wight was firing missiles into London they would be stomped on good and hard by the British Army and sent to a penal colony.
Report Al Dente • July 23, 2014 1:28 AM BST
I thought the Isle of Wight was a penal colony. Laugh
Seriously, back in the day, (1960's) when I was a young PC in the Met I was approached by an older PC who had a plan to get into HMP Parkhurst, where the serious villains (Charlie Richardson, for one) were kept, overpower the HMP staff and kill all the prisoners before escaping from the scene on bicycles. He insisted that bicycles would attract no attention, but had no plan as to how squadrons of bicycles could regain the mainland without being noticed.
Reluctantly, I was obliged to turn him down; the idea was attractive but the escape plan was flawed.
Report The Leopard • July 23, 2014 1:36 AM BST
Wasn't Sir Robert Mark was it?
Report Burton-Brewers • July 23, 2014 8:50 AM BST
brassneck if you are unhappy with Israel why don't you write it down on a bit of paper?
Report Irish_Celtic • July 23, 2014 9:19 AM BST
America is little Israel more like , the tail is wagging the dog.
Report ebulGery • July 23, 2014 10:27 AM BST
I notice today on the red button

Lib Dem MP David Ward tweeted on Thursday
The big question is - if I lived in Gaza would I fire a rocket - probably

some people say this is a vile comment, well not really, the truth is, if some of us had to live in their conditions
we probably would, including me I suspect(not here I may add!)

shows how pro Jewish our media have become

that tweet was fair comment
Report pumphol. • July 23, 2014 10:41 AM BST
Irish_Celtic    23 Jul 14 09:19 
America is little Israel more like , the tail is wagging the dog.


Now your on a roll, any more anti - semitic comments you would like to make, you have not got the balls to actually  say you hate Jews I cannot blame you I suppose, the above comment is about as near as we will get.
Report brigust1 • July 23, 2014 10:54 AM BST
Pumphol will you STFU about anti semitism. I marched against the Iraq war, protested against troops in Afganistan and Libya. So just because I hate what you murdering, cowardly, gutless friends are doing in Gaza does not make me an anti semite. So shove that under your Kipa.
Report Dr Crippen • July 23, 2014 11:06 AM BST
Irish_Celtic is Northernlad5.

He's got form regarding anti Semitism.
Report brigust1 • July 23, 2014 11:38 AM BST
OK Dr. It's just that not everyone who disagrees with injustices in this world is doing so for religious reasons. You are only saying that because I am a Jew. You are only saying that because I am a muslim. You are only saying that because I am black. The list is endless. I am only saying it because I think it is wrong. It's a cop out imo. The thousands who have marched in the last few days all around the world are not all racist or anti semite.
Report Irish_Celtic • July 23, 2014 11:54 AM BST
Oh look ,the two gutless wonders Crippen and pumphol stoop to the lowest form of attack again , the accusation of anti Semitism.

Maybe you should check out what the U.N has had to say this morning about Israeli war crimes.
Report Irish_Celtic • July 23, 2014 11:57 AM BST
And by the way no matter how many times you repeat the lie that I am NortherLad it will not make it true. I think there is a very real chance Crippen and Call me a taxi are one and the same but I wont continuously pollute the forum with said accusation .

It shows how weak and pathetic your argument really is if all you have to fall back on is accusations of anti Semitism and idiotic talk of aliases.
Report pumphol. • July 23, 2014 1:05 PM BST
brigust1    23 Jul 14 10:54 
Pumphol will you STFU about anti semitism


No I wont when people write


Irish_Celtic    23 Jul 14 09:19 
America is little Israel more like , the tail is wagging the dog.



Whatever your stance is on the middle east comments above are purely made by Jew haters, end of, anyone who thinks the 13  million Jews worldwide run the world is not only delusional but must have a hating of anyone of that religion to even make that comment, I hardly expect you to agree with me on that but telling me to STFU  about it is pretty pathetic in my eyes, not once have I called you a Jew hater, why ? because you have not made a comment like irish C has.
Report Irish_Celtic • July 23, 2014 1:19 PM BST
You don't tell me what I believe or what I don't believe you little moron.
Report Burton-Brewers • July 23, 2014 1:22 PM BST
go and have a bite to eat we won't tell
Report pumphol. • July 23, 2014 1:23 PM BST
I already have Crazy
Report pumphol. • July 23, 2014 1:23 PM BST
Laugh

That was to irish C
Report i_agree_with_nick • July 23, 2014 1:54 PM BST
Discussion on LBC from 2pm about the rising tide of anti-semitism and a survey which says 80% of British Jews feel they are being blamed for the conflict in Gaza
Report Mikael D'Haguenet • July 23, 2014 2:20 PM BST
Palestinians are Semites too.
Report lfc1971 • July 23, 2014 2:37 PM BST
The problem for Israel is that it can't afford to trust any outside country.
It must treat everyone with suspicion, not only of course the arab states
but also European countries and British, especially liberals and generally those
on the left. They know that these people should they ever find themselves at
the mercy of an enemy state will turn their backs on them.
Israel must protect itself at all costs.
Report i_agree_with_nick • July 23, 2014 2:37 PM BST
Yes, the Arabs are a Semitic people but anti-Semitism is generally accepted to be mean anti-Jewish.

(I'm not saying that being anti Israel necessarily equates to being anti-Semitic)
Report ebulGery • July 23, 2014 3:12 PM BST
If the Eskimos had taken land from the Palestinians, I would still be pro Palestinian

But I am not anti Eskimo by nature
nor anti Semitic
Report lfc1971 • July 23, 2014 3:54 PM BST
Israel must be an island entire onto itself. Indeed most successful
countries must become increasingly isolationist. Take Holland, a prosperous
peaceful and democratic nation, something to be admired is drawn into the
madness of outside events.Most parts of the world are not capable of living
and creating the sort of country the dutch have. This will not change.
The o.ly option is for member stated to build secure borders and leave
everywhere else to their own devices.
The free nations must withdraw from the world, all advances in sciek
technology kept within its own country. Good walls make good neighbours.
Report broadsword • July 23, 2014 3:59 PM BST
brassneck if you are unhappy with Israel why don't you write it down on a bit of paper?LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughwell said BB
Report bbc`s embarrassed dad • July 23, 2014 4:20 PM BST
Nothing wrong with having an opposing view,dont drift from the topic,conflict resoloution
Report call me a taxi • July 23, 2014 6:17 PM BST
Don't make me laugh.
Anything posted against muslims and you get on your high horse.
Report The Leopard • July 23, 2014 6:22 PM BST
Allah, peace be upon him, won't be pleased with your gambling NL, time to give it up?
Report Foinavon • July 23, 2014 6:57 PM BST
Sickening pictures of severely burned babies tonight and still the artillery bombardment of civilians continues with the tacit agreement of our government.
Pure evil.
Report ebulGery • July 23, 2014 7:08 PM BST
It is all right Israel being an island, if it would stick to its own land lfc1971

Agree Foinavon

As long as the US and the West lets the Israelis do anything they want...this will continue.
We never condemn Israel, we never will.

The Palestinians might as well not exist, they have no chance of justice in the World as it stands.

We will condemn anyone we don't like quick enough, the hypocrisy of the US and the West
has gone completely off the scale.

sadly I doubt it will change
Report ebulGery • July 23, 2014 8:05 PM BST
we not only give tacit agreement Foinavon, the US supplies them
we don't have a foreign policy of our own, we just say and do what the US tells us

the media brought and paid for
Report ebulGery • July 23, 2014 8:07 PM BST
All headlines condemning Russia, none Israel, gives the game way there
Report ebulGery • July 23, 2014 8:07 PM BST
away
Report Foinavon • July 23, 2014 8:13 PM BST
Our new foreign secretary said that Israel has the right to defend itself.
If this is defence I would hate to see what external aggression looked like.

We condemned the bombardment of Sarajevo, how is this different?
Report ebulGery • July 23, 2014 9:41 PM BST
again I agree Foinavon

Our foreign secretary says he does not approve of Palestinian rocket attacks, fair enough

but to be totally fair
he must add, he regrets Israel's continued presence in land that does not belong to them
which is contributing to this situation

and he should also comment on Israel's excessive response, on the ground of humanity.
the UN have commented on this

So all he has done is condemn the Palestinian's fault, in a statement that is meaningless
as it is so obviously pro Israel

what has happened to the British idea of fair play?
Report Alias • July 23, 2014 10:14 PM BST
Irish_Celtic 23 Jul 14 09:19 Joined: 04 Aug 12 | Topic/replies: 1,215 | Blogger: Irish_Celtic's blog
America is little Israel more like , the tail is wagging the dog.

I think you'd find that in reality your very own Irish influence might be stronger in the USA than any Jewish lobby. Certainly in numbers, there are comparatively few Jews in the USA.
Report Alias • July 23, 2014 10:19 PM BST
The problem for Israel is that it can't afford to trust any outside country.
It must treat everyone with suspicion, not only of course the arab states
but also European countries and British, especially liberals and generally those
on the left. They know that these people should they ever find themselves at
the mercy of an enemy state will turn their backs on them.
Israel must protect itself at all costs.


Are you for real lfc? Those on the left?

The real and underlying problem is the expansion of Israel, the stealing of land and displacing of people that has continued over decades. For a people who suffered so much at the hands of the Nazis, it is sad indeed to see them ACTING like Nazis. Lebensraum, anyone?
Report ebulGery • July 23, 2014 10:43 PM BST
Well I feel they must return to 1947 borders, as I have repeated, that was a fair partition of the country, good enough
for me.

If they try to grab more they have strayed off the moral path
and even getting half of Palestine was debatable tbh, but to try and get more, is definitely WRONG

If lebensraum is their motive, unacceptable to me
Report pumphol. • July 23, 2014 10:46 PM BST
Can you show me a map of these 1947 borders ?
Report ebulGery • July 23, 2014 10:59 PM BST
With all their technology, the iron dome and stuff, and the fact we appear to have take down most
of the Arab countries(hmmmm....a question there?)

There remain no case for them to claim any extra for defence, and it was always morally wrong
I think Israel need to be told, get back in your own cage

http://www.ameu.org/Current-Issue/Current-Issue/2013-Volume-46/Like-a-Picture-A-Map-is-Worth-A-Thousand-Words.aspx
pumphol....when I get time I might check the accuracy of that, I doubt if I will find much difference

but from that Palestine appear like a piece of cheese, which is being gradually consumed by a hungry mouse, Israel
The UN plan is the only legal one, as far as I am concerned.
Report pumphol. • July 23, 2014 11:04 PM BST
Yes do get back to me on that one, especially as you have mentioned it several times.
Report ebulGery • July 23, 2014 11:06 PM BST
Any land taken by force of arms, is illegal.....but if we accept that
then Palestinian have a right to fight back surely...although they are patently losing

Otherwise the US and our values appear to have gone quite off the clock, as far as hypocrisy is concerned

fair enough pumphol, I do my horse form first
Report David Fishwick Minibus Sales • July 23, 2014 11:10 PM BST
murdering scum
Report ebulGery • July 23, 2014 11:11 PM BST
who?
Report David Fishwick Minibus Sales • July 23, 2014 11:12 PM BST
http://bit.ly/1mFTdDD
Report ebulGery • July 23, 2014 11:14 PM BST
I will take that  as a vote for the Palestinians Happy David
Report Irish_Celtic • July 23, 2014 11:20 PM BST
The tide has turned Happy

Bad news is it appears another massacre is taking place in Khan Younis . Medical teams cannot get within a kilometre of it because of the ferocity of the shelling.
Report call me a taxi • July 23, 2014 11:43 PM BST
David Fishwick Minibus Sales
23 Jul 14 23:12   
.
http://bit.ly/1mFTdDD


If you leave a space after the DD you get an advert for a restaurant in Florida. Laugh
Report call me a taxi • July 23, 2014 11:45 PM BST
Btw Fishy, on that map Israel have taken over Norfolk.

I'll still be here, better than having Anglia full of muslims.
Report bbc`s embarrassed dad • July 23, 2014 11:47 PM BST
Christ call me a taxi you are a real junior league small town w@nker,good work
Report The Leopard • July 23, 2014 11:49 PM BST
^^^Seething Laugh
Report call me a taxi • July 23, 2014 11:56 PM BST
bbc`s embarrassed dad
23 Jul 14 23:47   
Christ call me a taxi you are a real junior league small town w@nker,good work


FYI, I don't come from a small town.

If you're going to block me northernlad, do it with all of your aliases, not just one.
Report bbc`s embarrassed dad • July 23, 2014 11:57 PM BST
Junior leagueLaugh
Report ebulGery • July 24, 2014 12:17 AM BST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

here you are pumphol..an unbiased view
Report ebulGery • July 24, 2014 12:25 AM BST
her is an interesting one, a Jewish proposal

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/PartitionPlanC1938.html

appears they were not so greedy then
Report ebulGery • July 24, 2014 12:36 AM BST
I find it sad our Government cannot condemn Israel...this show very poor values
or even the Labour party?

The key is the US, as long as they continue to supply Israel with the latest military technology
Israel will continue to do what they like

The only way that will happen is if US public opinion turns against Israel
if that does not happen, difficult to see a way out here
Report ebulGery • July 24, 2014 12:38 AM BST
I should have said the only way that will change
Report The Leopard • July 24, 2014 12:39 AM BST
All the Jews could move to Ireland....nice green land....say goodbye to all that sandy sh*t
Report ebulGery • July 24, 2014 12:39 AM BST
interestingLaugh
Report ebulGery • July 24, 2014 12:40 AM BST
We have got enough trouble with the IRA, do we need more troubleSad
Report ebulGery • July 24, 2014 1:42 AM BST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War

I will need time to read this

The UN partition remains the only legal definition of Israel.
Civil War broke out before this was ever implemented. The Arab league did enter Palestine in support of the Palestinians,
they wanted Palestine for the Palestinians.

So if fact your whole post is one compete lie is it not Pumphol?, because they did not invade Palestine for themselves did they?
So I suggest you have a read about the 48 war, Wikipedia is impartial.

You asked for a map I put it up

You say I speak crap, then put even bigger load of crap yourself
Report lfc1971 • July 24, 2014 1:44 AM BST
Israel is a small nation and would not be able to sustain a prolonged war.
Their military leades know this and must retaliate quickly and with devastating
force. Sometimes they must even strike first. This is the problem and makes
decisions dangerous and difficult.
Report ebulGery • July 24, 2014 1:54 AM BST
It may be small. But this hardly gives it the right to go about invading other countries, does it?

When the Jews emigrated to Palestine, they invaded another country. Which by force of arms they now have control of.
If the previous inhabitants kick up a bit of a fuss, it is only to be expected.

On grounds of some legality, I have suggested we in fact implement the 1947 UN partition plan.
Seems to me the only civilised way to proceed.

Otherwise the only rules we have are
Last Man Standing..which in effect mean no rules at all.
Report lfc1971 • July 24, 2014 2:00 AM BST
I would agree ebul regarding the 47 plan, however I doubt it would end there.
We are where we are and Israel must never allow its defences to be weakened.
They must never trust any other country
or people other than themselves..that is absolutely critical.
Report ebulGery • July 24, 2014 2:23 AM BST
When I say invaded Palestine..in fairness I must qualify that
There has always been some indigenous Jewish population in Palestine
But it had been  a Muslim country for a long time...when we liberated it, it was part of the Turkish Ottoman Empire
We should never have established a British mandate. We should have left.

Although we could have partitioned off a small area for the indigenous Jewish people.

Two things intervene, that ridiculous Balfour Declaration proposing all Jews go to Palestine.
and the Holocaust...Jews seeing themselves as part of the population of European states
find themselves targeted by Adolf Hitler.
This drives Jewish immigration to Palestine, which we the British allow.

The reason I question whether most Jews belong there, is because most modern Jewish are those immigrants
are their offspring

We have now everything in place for a great human tragedy which has happened.
Report ebulGery • July 24, 2014 2:42 AM BST
THe trouble with your post lfc1971...is you are hanging onto the Holocaust.

That cannot happen in Israel now, you have your own country, the problem in Europe you did not, so you could not defend yourselves.
You can now, so you need to leave that behind.

Jews can relax, although they must accept that the Palestinians are not quite happy about this.
That is the reality

They have an extremely good army. They have the support of the US, the most powerful country on the Globe.
What more do they want.

This defence policy of theirs, frankly is barbaric, they must change their ways, I mean this.
I have proposed we implement the 1947 UN partition plan. This can be done gradually, you can extract
some commitment of non aggression by The Palestinians.

You see if you don't improve conditions for the Palestinians it is making Israel look like complete barbarians.
And you need to stop this disproportional reprisals as well, this is making Israel look like butchers.

You say Israel should trust no one, well they at least need to trust the US, because without their support they would be vulnerable.
They say they want peace, they won't ever get it the way they are going at the moment. I don't advocate they neglect their defence,
but these attacks are not the right way to this.
Report David Fishwick Minibus Sales • July 24, 2014 10:07 AM BST
it will all be over once Israel gains full control of the Palestinian oil and gas reserves off Gaza. phone up British Gas, they know about it.
Report lfc1971 • July 24, 2014 10:23 AM BST
ebulGery
When you see what nice people like the Germans were capable off anything
is possible. There are more lunatics per square mile in the world today than ever
in mankinds history.
Israel must keep itself secure and in time it is quite possible the rest of the world
will destroy itself piece by piece.
Report call me a taxi • July 24, 2014 7:02 PM BST
Nobody on here seemed bothered when Mugabe started having a go at white farmers.

250 Christian schoolgirls kidnapped by a bunch of Islamic nutters in Africa, and interest on here soon waned.

Gangs of ASIAN paedophiles locked up for sexually grooming, assaulting and raping young WHITE girls, slid off the forum after a day or so, with very few mentions of the obvious racism. 

But the Jews do something, and out come the anti-semitic mob.
Report Alias • July 24, 2014 10:34 PM BST
When you see what nice people like the Germans were capable off anything
is possible.


Were you living in Germany in the 1930s and 40s, lfc1971? From this point in time, it doesn't look like there were too many nice krauts about.
Report mobo • July 24, 2014 10:43 PM BST
the gruniad is quick to post articles defending islamists - beware the poison from within!!!
It is the quasi politico intellectual position of the modern place serving journalist and politician.
Including the tories!!!!
Report ebulGery • July 24, 2014 10:59 PM BST
I am not anti Semitic
I am pro Palestinian

think about it
Report ebulGery • July 25, 2014 12:02 AM BST
Today a UN run school hit by the Israelis 15 dead 200 injured

Hamas Leader Khaled Meshaal has said he wants a ceasefire, although he also wants an end to the Israeli blockade of Gaza,
which of course is totally illegal.....not a word of condemnation from the West of course

To all intents and purposes the Palestinian Arabs may not as well exist at all, for all the rights they have
Report ebulGery • July 25, 2014 12:41 AM BST
call me a taxi  • July 24, 2014 7:02 PM BST 


Nobody on here seemed bothered when Mugabe started having a go at white farmers.

250 Christian schoolgirls kidnapped by a bunch of Islamic nutters in Africa, and interest on here soon waned.

Gangs of ASIAN paedophiles locked up for sexually grooming, assaulting and raping young WHITE girls, slid off the forum after a day or so, with very few mentions of the obvious racism.


funnily enough I do care about these taxi
it is our government that does not care...judging by it's inaction

but I am still pro Palestinian for all that
Report Alias • July 25, 2014 8:34 AM BST
http://blog.unwatch.org/index.php/2013/11/25/this-years-22-unga-resolutions-against-israel-4-on-rest-of-world/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_UN_resolutions_concerning_Israel_and_Palestine
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