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http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0621/625499-gerry-conlon/
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Report portmanpark • June 21, 2014 2:00 PM BST
SadSad
Report bbc`s embarrassed dad • June 21, 2014 2:49 PM BST
Worked as a labourer and was fitted up by the Police,such a sad story
Report MisterBadger • June 21, 2014 2:51 PM BST
^ i.e. he was fitted up
Report FredRescue • June 21, 2014 3:14 PM BST
Lock up inocent men for IRA bombings they didn't do, and release IRA bombers who killed people. Great justice in this country Crazy
Report notwhatwho • June 21, 2014 3:30 PM BST
leopard, u r a c@NT
Report akabula • June 21, 2014 4:22 PM BST
Now now irishseptic no need for personal abuse. Showing yourself up for what you are.
Report Irish_Celtic • June 21, 2014 4:25 PM BST
You are such a huge bigot you cannot admit the man was innocent . Vile individual.
Report akabula • June 21, 2014 4:38 PM BST
Where do I say he was guilty. I merely stated the facts of the matter. What's wrong with that?
Report casemoney • June 21, 2014 4:54 PM BST
INNOCENT ,along with the BIRMINGHAM lads , a very dark period in the history of brtish justice or lack of ,as for Leopards
comment quite unbelievable tbh Shocked
Report The Leopard • June 21, 2014 6:41 PM BST
It's true though, logic :

If there was no bombing campaign by the IRA then those guys would not have been mistakenly (or maliciously) locked up.

You cannot argue against logic.

If they were fitted up then that was also a great wrong.

But the biggest evil was the bombing campaign.
Report Cobblaz • June 21, 2014 6:45 PM BST
If there wee no banks, there would be no fraud. Therefore...
Report The Leopard • June 21, 2014 6:48 PM BST
....we'd all have to barter our pigs and donkeys
Report Irish_Celtic • June 21, 2014 7:02 PM BST
There is no If ......They were fitted up and locked away for the best part of their lives .  That's why your prime minister apologized to them.

Akabula was busy on the report button I see he don't like being exposed for what he is.
Report Cobblaz • June 21, 2014 7:04 PM BST
Spot on, Irish!
Report RickiBobby • June 21, 2014 7:18 PM BST
Ashamed of what this country did to this guy , those who fabricated evidence against him are heartless scumbags.
He was an SDLP man a man of peace , and self seeking comments by that odious creature Gerry Adams are highly inappropriate .
Report casemoney • June 21, 2014 7:30 PM BST
You might need to go back a couple  years Leopard ,Had some things not been done then ,no one would be planting bombs

anyway...

And its not IF ,THEY  were fitted up end of  ,as were many others ,absolute and total disgrace ,what about the  Bogside Massacre

or bloody sunday as you may know it ,no one was Jailed for that ,Perhaps had some action been taken then a lot of things

that happened after ,would not have ,didnt see a load of innocent soldiers been fitted up ,did we ?

I am not an IRA supporter far from it ,but locking up the wrong people while the real bombers were left free didnt help

the situation what so ever IMVHO ...
Report Burton-Brewers • June 21, 2014 7:36 PM BST
good film
Report The Leopard • June 21, 2014 7:37 PM BST
Yes, it all goes back to the Romans....they were a oppressive invading force and bear the ultimate responsibility for the divisions in our islands.
Report casemoney • June 21, 2014 7:39 PM BST
Yes indeed ,many of  the victims were shot from behind ,nail bombs then appearing in one victims pocket unreal tbh ..
Report casemoney • June 21, 2014 7:46 PM BST
Romans have nothing to do with a divided Eire,you appear to have some problems with history, Lets hope no members of your family  are ever arrested for a crime they did not commit ,you would then understand that mistakes can be made ,in Mr Conlons case a deliberate mistake ,BTW Im English not Irish but I do understand the Troubles ,its not hard really ...
Report dewey • June 21, 2014 7:57 PM BST
They're about..................................still!
Report dlarssonf • June 21, 2014 8:01 PM BST
Casemoney as an Irishman to an Englishman - your sum up all the good that England has to offer and your comments are very refreshing!! Top man
Report dewey • June 21, 2014 8:02 PM BST
The hostility of certain people in society these days is unbelievable......and it's supposed to be a civilised society - NO CHANCE.
Report casemoney • June 21, 2014 8:14 PM BST
Sister lives in N,eire Dlar some great people over there and a lovely part of the world ,despite what some Idiots may think about it Happy
Report dlarssonf • June 21, 2014 8:19 PM BST
Totally agree casemoney, some day everybody everywhere may get along Happy  We live in hope Cool
Report dewey • June 21, 2014 8:24 PM BST
dlarssonf - don't build your hopes up.
Report Angel Gabrial • June 21, 2014 8:35 PM BST
They p1ssed and sh1t in his food for all those years and the psychological and phisical beatings which took place in the prison are an absolute disgrace. No wonder the British are detested in many places around the globe.

God Save the Queen.
Report The Leopard • June 21, 2014 8:49 PM BST
Why does everyone want to come here then?
Report MisterBadger • June 21, 2014 8:52 PM BST
^ wtf has that got to do with it?
Report dewey • June 21, 2014 8:54 PM BST
Where do you live Angel Gabrial?.....................just asking.
Report Burton-Brewers • June 21, 2014 8:56 PM BST
some want to leave
Report dewey • June 21, 2014 9:00 PM BST
Who wants to leave? - and what's stopping them? Why don't they just leave for goodness sake.......
Report Burton-Brewers • June 21, 2014 9:02 PM BST
can't until the mother in law passes on
Report dewey • June 21, 2014 9:10 PM BST
Sounds about right Burton-Brewers - why's that then - you could take her with you surely.
Report Burton-Brewers • June 21, 2014 9:29 PM BST
because she has other family members she would not like to leave
Report The Leopard • June 21, 2014 9:44 PM BST
Australia?
Report dewey • June 21, 2014 10:28 PM BST
bURTON - Well - surely they can look after her ...so  what's stopping YOU?.
Report Burton-Brewers • June 21, 2014 10:33 PM BST
my wife is very close to her mother and I would not dream of upsetting their relationship
Report dewey • June 21, 2014 10:37 PM BST
Fair enough.
Report dewey • June 21, 2014 10:39 PM BST
The I.R.A. has a hell of a lot to answer to.
Report Emden • June 21, 2014 10:54 PM BST
said to hear of this

another 70's police fit up

RIP
Report ebulGery • June 21, 2014 10:55 PM BST
I remember the Guildford pub bombing...it made people very angry
I think the need was that someone must go down for this...
I don't know whether we got the right ones myself...if Gerry Conlon was alive and innocent, I would apologise to him

two wrongs never make a right

The IRA are a terrorist group with a cause a United Ireland
The troubles were caused by gross discrimination against Catholics in N.Ireland, coming out of protests in late 60's
The IRA then came in on the Catholics side.

As a terrorist group which basically kills and maims innocents, as all terrorists do, the IRA can be condemned
Their cause is not so easy to condemn

We of course cannot just pull out of N.Ireland as long as the Loyalist want to stay with us.

These people are 'trapped in history'
Report casemoney • June 21, 2014 10:58 PM BST
Gerry was not an IRA member never mind a bomber Plain
Report casemoney • June 21, 2014 10:59 PM BST
The shooting of 13 innocent people in the back ,made alot of people angry blue ,and no one was ever charged with anything
Report Emden • June 21, 2014 11:03 PM BST
The IRA caused a lot of problems for the hard working Irish people based in England.

They (the IRA) would plant a bomb in England, shoot back off to N.Ireland, and leave ordinary Irish familes based in England to face to flack

Very few Irish people agreed with what the IRA did.
Report dewey • June 21, 2014 11:06 PM BST
Very well said Emden.........speaking from experience?
Report casemoney • June 21, 2014 11:06 PM BST
BTW there are no TROOPS left that are active in Norhern Ireland ,there are some based at garrisons same as other parts of the UK ..
Report casemoney • June 21, 2014 11:08 PM BST
We of course cannot just pull out of N.Ireland as long as the Loyalist want to stay with us.

we pulled out years ago mate maybe u missed this Laugh
Report dewey • June 21, 2014 11:08 PM BST
casemoney - I didn't say he was - I was referring to the I.R.A. in general.
Report casemoney • June 21, 2014 11:09 PM BST
and sent the poor fxckers to afghanistan Sad
Report ebulGery • June 21, 2014 11:10 PM BST
The Catholics in N.Ireland did....not that they had much choice

what one are talking about case

After the Guildford pub bombing as I said people were very angry
The police had to bring in somebody..they may well have beaten it out of the 4 nearest Irishman
the evidence does not look good against Conlon now...I am sorry to see any injustice

Those two lunatics who killed Lees Rigby, that raised great anger, did not, it was at that level
justice comes under threat in such circumstances

in the Lee Rigby case we did get the right ones
Report ebulGery • June 21, 2014 11:12 PM BST
we pulled out years ago mate maybe u missed this Laugh

no we have not case, the troubles have died down, troops are no longer needed
The Loyalists ain't letting us go, I can tell you for certain
NO SURRENDER
Report casemoney • June 21, 2014 11:14 PM BST
Anyway RIP Gerry ..

For those who have seen the film in the name of the father ,it is more than worth a look ..
Report casemoney • June 21, 2014 11:16 PM BST
who have not seen Happy
Report ebulGery • June 21, 2014 11:17 PM BST
I should give it a visit case, I actually feel an injustice was done now
Public anger may have warped our justice

As far as I am concerned, N.Ireland, insolvable
Report casemoney • June 21, 2014 11:19 PM BST
The troops are gone is what I was saying ,obviously the country is still under British rule ,maybe when Scotland becomes Independant they will fxck off back there Laugh
Report MisterBadger • June 21, 2014 11:22 PM BST
The IRA are a terrorist group with a cause a United Ireland
The troubles were caused by gross discrimination against Catholics in N.Ireland, coming out of protests in late 60's


The IRA are a terrorist group with a cause a Re-united Ireland
The troubles were caused by gross discrimination against Catholics going back hundreds of years


The IRA then came in on the Catholics side.

You think they chose a side after weighing up the arguments?  Confused  Laugh
Report casemoney • June 21, 2014 11:23 PM BST
Tend to agree blue but perhaps another couple of generations and things will change ,to have lived through the troubles over there must have been dreadful for both sides ,I have never lived through anything like that so cannot really comment ..
Report Emden • June 21, 2014 11:27 PM BST
Very well said Emden.........speaking from experience?

Yes. Brum 1970's. Irish Family. Irish community in Brum really suffered at the time.

The prosecution of the 'Birmingham Six', who live locally, compounded the problem and reinforced peoples prejudices.

Happily, everything has changed, and the 'paddys' in brum are well liked with the exception of a few Neanderthal BNP types

.
Report ebulGery • June 21, 2014 11:37 PM BST
FFS!! they have censored my post
plenty of Irish moderators on b/f

anyway it is all on the internet
you are right case if Scotland go, can they please take N.Ireland with themLaugh
the loyalists are more Scottish than English
Report ebulGery • June 21, 2014 11:38 PM BST
We would be glad to get rid of N.Ireland, I can tell you that
Report call me a taxi • June 21, 2014 11:40 PM BST
Northernlad
which identity are you going to use next?
'bbc's embarrassed dad' or 'Irish_Celtic'?
Report ebulGery • June 21, 2014 11:41 PM BST
I am not NorthernLadShocked
Report call me a taxi • June 21, 2014 11:43 PM BST
Try to keep up ebulG,

he has already posted on here as the other two.
Report ebulGery • June 21, 2014 11:43 PM BST
BlushBlushBlushBlush
Report ebulGery • June 21, 2014 11:46 PM BST
The English have treated the Irish appallingly over the centuries

but when we tried to pull out the Loyalists threatened civil war...
as I assume everybody knows
Report ebulGery • June 21, 2014 11:49 PM BST
Possibly in the future Ireland will re unite
but it needs to be voluntary that is the problem
Report Emden • June 21, 2014 11:58 PM BST
The English have treated the Irish appallingly over the centuries

Maybe,...but....the Irish have moved on and don't look back.

There is no victim mentality. The Irish are a confident people, well liked all over the globe.

The younger English generation have no problems with the Irish, so it's a thing of the past now.
Report Irish_Celtic • June 22, 2014 12:19 AM BST
The Irish and English get on great now .

The vast majority of the older type racists have long forgotten about the paddys and tend to focus on the Muslims now.

Whatever keeps them happy I guess. Now I must call me a taxi Wink
Report MisterBadger • June 22, 2014 12:25 AM BST
Laugh
Report call me a taxi • June 22, 2014 12:45 AM BST
Call a taxi for myself would be better English.
Report ebulGery • June 22, 2014 12:57 AM BST
Yes they have done well  in Northern Ireland EmdenHappy

they have rejected violence, they are fairly peaceful,
but I doubt whether the base resentments have gone away myself
given the right circumstances they would reignite...we cannot become too complacent over this

look around the world
The Ukraine, a near civil war going on, not quite yet....
the Russians want to be part of Russia, The Ukrainianss want to stay part of Ukraine
same situation really

These situations exist everywhere..in the Middle East I think we reached the point of pure evil

A program on WWI I watched, an average collection of prehistoric skulls, one in 6 had been killed by other human beings..skull smashed in
that is what we are

Forget all this PC rubbish...we must remain vigilant of what we really are..if we want peace
Report ebulGery • June 22, 2014 1:08 AM BST
Our fantasies give us away...at one time nearly all of us have fantasized about killing another human being
the neighbour who wakes us up with loud music in the early hours, even a car pulling out in front of you on the road,
any number of other reasons

If we had no law and given the right circumstances, there is a very high probability we would do this in real life
We really need to see ourselves as we really are, if we are to prevent an inevitable Armageddon

We are a very violent species, we must be vigilant

just my own opinion
Report ebulGery • June 22, 2014 1:49 AM BST
There is a consensus that we are advancing as a species. We are growing more civilized and peaceful.
Well there is some merit in this, but the thing is, what has happened, is our science has made our lives
more comfortable, so we have a lot more to lose, that has reduced some of our violence.

The more primitive societies remain quite violent.

But I don't think it changes us human beings does it. WWII killed 55 million people, that does not speak of peace
does it? That is a lot of people to kill.
Only our nuclear weapons have prevented us topping this figure, because we have had the sanity
to realise these weapons cannot be used.
But will this hold, sadly I doubt it.

We now think if we hand power to women we will have peace. I doubt that as well, because men could not live in a women's
world...the psychological differences between men and women are too great. Men would eventually rebel.
I am also afraid we will grow tired of our comfortable lifestyle, we will get bored, we will return to war.

So what we have here, is a very violent species, who are building ever more efficient weapons to kill
each other with.

tbh it does not look too good to me.
Report MisterBadger • June 22, 2014 3:01 AM BST
thanks for that gery, I feel so much better now  LaughLaughLaugh
Report MisterBadger • June 22, 2014 3:04 AM BST
Anyway, just so we don't get too sidetracked:

RIP Gerry Conlon

victim of corrupt British policemen and corrupt British establishment & judiciary
Report breadnbutter • June 22, 2014 3:51 AM BST
Dont worry gery will make a point shortly and state his message in his usual manor ,it may take a few posts but he will do it .

wont you gery ?
Report Irish_Celtic • June 22, 2014 9:07 AM BST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0WLCJ26Emc
Report xmoneyx • June 22, 2014 10:24 AM BST
why was colon family chosen for the crime(stitch up)?
Report ebulGery • June 22, 2014 11:30 AM BST
breadnbutter  • June 22, 2014 3:51 AM BST
Dont worry gery will make a point shortly and state his message in his usual manor ,it may take a few posts but he will do it .
wont you gery ?

Laugh
Report xmoneyx • June 22, 2014 11:54 AM BST
I'm nominating 01:49 post as cheeriest  of the year
Report ebulGery • June 22, 2014 11:57 AM BST
Laugh xmoneyx

they say alcohol is a depressant, seems to prove it

it works from the premise we are all inherently bad
others think we are  all inherently good
Report ebulGery • June 22, 2014 11:59 AM BST
Most people think some of us are good and some of us are a bad
although we often disagree which is which
Report xmoneyx • June 22, 2014 12:07 PM BST
Iraq is now hell on earth

well done tony

I was on the anti-Iraq war march glasgow,100,000

tony thought he would be welcomed,labour supporters

needed special security,and cancelled his open air speechLaugh
Report ebulGery • June 22, 2014 12:09 PM BST
well done xmoneyxHappy

whatever way you at look at human nature Tony Blair comes out bad
Report paddletoe • June 22, 2014 12:22 PM BST
Once the troubles started in N.Ireland they were very hard to stop but the backdrop to those 30 years of violence were 50 years of sectarianism and discrimination by the unionist majority.
You have to understand why things started and then you have to understand how hard things were to stop once people from all sides were being killed. The real problem was not the british army who first came to protect catholic areas from attack. Take away the British army and the real problems were still going to have to be dealt with....how catholics and protestants would live together in an equal and fair society which respected each others differences and cultures.
The ira could and should have done more to stop Gerry Conlon and the others spending so many years in jail for something they were completely innocent of.
Report johnnythebull • June 22, 2014 12:43 PM BST
xmoneyx     22 Jun 14 12:07 
Iraq is now hell on earth

well done tony

I was on the anti-Iraq war march glasgow,100,000

tony thought he would be welcomed,labour supporters

needed special security,and cancelled his open air speechLaugh


u should've put the collective heed(sic)on him & got some of the local razor gangs finish him & his entourage off lol
Report The Leopard • June 22, 2014 12:53 PM BST
Tony Blair did not make the decision.

He was just a puppet figure-head.
Report ebulGery • June 22, 2014 3:10 PM BST
You have a point paddletoe

But you see the IRA have a cause, a United Ireland
for this to happen they want N.Ireland to fail, so that we will pull out
and it will return to the Irish Republic.
To this end they launched a campaign of chaos and terror in N.Ireland

They were eventually defeated. Sensibly enough they have accepted this.
But their cause has not gone away has it?

The reasons for their defeat is that the discrimination against Catholics was removed.
People got fed up living in a society of violence, with endless tit for tat murders between the IRA
and Loyalist paramilitaries.
The co operation of the Irish Republic, they see the IRA as a loose cannon who could bring down their own government.
They started to share information, such as who they were, how they were getting  in and out of N.Ireland, etc...
Life became uncomfortable for the IRA, no hiding place.

The cause remains, the basic problem has not been solved. Who does N.Ireland belong to
the Eire or the United Kingdom?
Thankfully violence has died down.
Report MisterBadger • June 22, 2014 5:10 PM BST
Who does N.Ireland belong to the Eire or the United Kingdom?

Are you for real? look at the map ffs - does cornwall belong to the uk or france?
Report dixie • June 22, 2014 5:34 PM BST
The Six Counties have never been part of the Republic of Ireland.  They were nominally part of the Irish Free State for two days.

Eire go brach.

Kernow bys vykken.
Report Angel Gabrial • June 22, 2014 6:18 PM BST
I am not blindly on the side of the IRA here.  The only evidence to convict them was from `Oppressed` confessions and British intelligence and the IRA stood by and watched these people denied their freedom and suffer physical and psychological damage for a crime they did not do.

They were scapegoats.
Report call me a taxi • June 22, 2014 6:20 PM BST
I have no interest in this, but have to ask, did he have a criminal record before he was fitted up?
Report dlarssonf • June 22, 2014 6:27 PM BST
He had a record for petty crime ( shoplifting ) but was never a member of any terrorist organisation including the IRA.  He was made a scapegoat and treated appallingly in jail and he had never even set foot in Guildford in his life let alone plant bombs.

The IRA and the surrey police are the real scum in all of this sorry tale
Report Angel Gabrial • June 22, 2014 6:53 PM BST
And then his father was wrongly imprisoned and passed died in prison 5 years into his sentence.

British Airways then refused to fly the coffin back to Ireland because he was a (wrongly accused) terrorist. All the dignity was taken away for his father. At least Gerry will receive dignity at the end.
Report ebulGery • June 22, 2014 7:38 PM BST
MisterBadger  • June 22, 2014 5:10 PM BST
Who does N.Ireland belong to the Eire or the United Kingdom?
Are you for real? look at the map ffs - does cornwall belong to the uk or france?


who does Gibralter belong to
who does The Falkland belong to
who does The Channel Islands belong to
N.Ireland was set up as part of the United Kingdom
The Loyalists still think it is

I know the map says Ireland
Report ebulGery • June 22, 2014 7:39 PM BST
Do not tell me Mister Badger
you tell the Loyalists who it belongs to
gl
Report MisterBadger • June 22, 2014 7:42 PM BST
I was only answering your question gery
Report ebulGery • June 22, 2014 7:49 PM BST
fair enough MisterBadger

Until 1922 Ireland was part of the United Kingdom
N.Ireland remains

I think Ireland should be united one day, but N.Ireland has to want it, the majority
that is the problem

Irish Catholics, both sides of the border, believe in a United Ireland in their hearts
but the Loyalists wont leave us
NO SURRENDER
Report ebulGery • June 22, 2014 7:57 PM BST
The heart of this problem is

Who does N.Ireland belong to Eire or the United Kingdom?
that is the reality

we all have our different opinions
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