RIP Gerry Conlon

Worked as a labourer and was fitted up by the Police,such a sad story

^ i.e. he was fitted up

Lock up inocent men for IRA bombings they didn't do, and release IRA bombers who killed people. Great justice in this country

leopard, u r a c@NT

Now now irishseptic no need for personal abuse. Showing yourself up for what you are.

You are such a huge bigot you cannot admit the man was innocent . Vile individual.

Where do I say he was guilty. I merely stated the facts of the matter. What's wrong with that?

INNOCENT ,along with the BIRMINGHAM lads , a very dark period in the history of brtish justice or lack of ,as for Leopards
comment quite unbelievable tbh

It's true though, logic :

If there was no bombing campaign by the IRA then those guys would not have been mistakenly (or maliciously) locked up.

You cannot argue against logic.

If they were fitted up then that was also a great wrong.

But the biggest evil was the bombing campaign.

If there wee no banks, there would be no fraud. Therefore...

....we'd all have to barter our pigs and donkeys

There is no If ......They were fitted up and locked away for the best part of their lives .  That's why your prime minister apologized to them.

Akabula was busy on the report button I see he don't like being exposed for what he is.

Spot on, Irish!

Ashamed of what this country did to this guy , those who fabricated evidence against him are heartless scumbags.
He was an SDLP man a man of peace , and self seeking comments by that odious creature Gerry Adams are highly inappropriate .

You might need to go back a couple  years Leopard ,Had some things not been done then ,no one would be planting bombs

anyway...

And its not IF ,THEY  were fitted up end of  ,as were many others ,absolute and total disgrace ,what about the  Bogside Massacre

or bloody sunday as you may know it ,no one was Jailed for that ,Perhaps had some action been taken then a lot of things

that happened after ,would not have ,didnt see a load of innocent soldiers been fitted up ,did we ?

I am not an IRA supporter far from it ,but locking up the wrong people while the real bombers were left free didnt help

the situation what so ever IMVHO ...

good film

Yes, it all goes back to the Romans....they were a oppressive invading force and bear the ultimate responsibility for the divisions in our islands.

Yes indeed ,many of  the victims were shot from behind ,nail bombs then appearing in one victims pocket unreal tbh ..

Romans have nothing to do with a divided Eire,you appear to have some problems with history, Lets hope no members of your family  are ever arrested for a crime they did not commit ,you would then understand that mistakes can be made ,in Mr Conlons case a deliberate mistake ,BTW Im English not Irish but I do understand the Troubles ,its not hard really ...

They're about..................................still!

Casemoney as an Irishman to an Englishman - your sum up all the good that England has to offer and your comments are very refreshing!! Top man

The hostility of certain people in society these days is unbelievable......and it's supposed to be a civilised society - NO CHANCE.

Sister lives in N,eire Dlar some great people over there and a lovely part of the world ,despite what some Idiots may think about it

Totally agree casemoney, some day everybody everywhere may get along   We live in hope

dlarssonf - don't build your hopes up.

They p1ssed and sh1t in his food for all those years and the psychological and phisical beatings which took place in the prison are an absolute disgrace. No wonder the British are detested in many places around the globe.

God Save the Queen.

Why does everyone want to come here then?

^ wtf has that got to do with it?

Where do you live Angel Gabrial?.....................just asking.

some want to leave

Who wants to leave? - and what's stopping them? Why don't they just leave for goodness sake.......

can't until the mother in law passes on

Sounds about right Burton-Brewers - why's that then - you could take her with you surely.

because she has other family members she would not like to leave

Australia?

bURTON - Well - surely they can look after her ...so  what's stopping YOU?.

my wife is very close to her mother and I would not dream of upsetting their relationship

Fair enough.

The I.R.A. has a hell of a lot to answer to.

said to hear of this

another 70's police fit up

RIP

I remember the Guildford pub bombing...it made people very angry
I think the need was that someone must go down for this...
I don't know whether we got the right ones myself...if Gerry Conlon was alive and innocent, I would apologise to him

two wrongs never make a right

The IRA are a terrorist group with a cause a United Ireland
The troubles were caused by gross discrimination against Catholics in N.Ireland, coming out of protests in late 60's
The IRA then came in on the Catholics side.

As a terrorist group which basically kills and maims innocents, as all terrorists do, the IRA can be condemned
Their cause is not so easy to condemn

We of course cannot just pull out of N.Ireland as long as the Loyalist want to stay with us.

These people are 'trapped in history'

Gerry was not an IRA member never mind a bomber

The shooting of 13 innocent people in the back ,made alot of people angry blue ,and no one was ever charged with anything

The IRA caused a lot of problems for the hard working Irish people based in England.

They (the IRA) would plant a bomb in England, shoot back off to N.Ireland, and leave ordinary Irish familes based in England to face to flack

Very few Irish people agreed with what the IRA did.

Very well said Emden.........speaking from experience?

BTW there are no TROOPS left that are active in Norhern Ireland ,there are some based at garrisons same as other parts of the UK ..

We of course cannot just pull out of N.Ireland as long as the Loyalist want to stay with us.

we pulled out years ago mate maybe u missed this

casemoney - I didn't say he was - I was referring to the I.R.A. in general.

and sent the poor fxckers to afghanistan

The Catholics in N.Ireland did....not that they had much choice

what one are talking about case

After the Guildford pub bombing as I said people were very angry
The police had to bring in somebody..they may well have beaten it out of the 4 nearest Irishman
the evidence does not look good against Conlon now...I am sorry to see any injustice

Those two lunatics who killed Lees Rigby, that raised great anger, did not, it was at that level
justice comes under threat in such circumstances

in the Lee Rigby case we did get the right ones

we pulled out years ago mate maybe u missed this Laugh

no we have not case, the troubles have died down, troops are no longer needed
The Loyalists ain't letting us go, I can tell you for certain
NO SURRENDER

Anyway RIP Gerry ..

For those who have seen the film in the name of the father ,it is more than worth a look ..

who have not seen

I should give it a visit case, I actually feel an injustice was done now
Public anger may have warped our justice

As far as I am concerned, N.Ireland, insolvable

The troops are gone is what I was saying ,obviously the country is still under British rule ,maybe when Scotland becomes Independant they will fxck off back there

The IRA are a terrorist group with a cause a United Ireland
The troubles were caused by gross discrimination against Catholics in N.Ireland, coming out of protests in late 60's

The IRA are a terrorist group with a cause a Re-united Ireland
The troubles were caused by gross discrimination against Catholics going back hundreds of years


The IRA then came in on the Catholics side.

You think they chose a side after weighing up the arguments?   

Tend to agree blue but perhaps another couple of generations and things will change ,to have lived through the troubles over there must have been dreadful for both sides ,I have never lived through anything like that so cannot really comment ..

Very well said Emden.........speaking from experience?

Yes. Brum 1970's. Irish Family. Irish community in Brum really suffered at the time.

The prosecution of the 'Birmingham Six', who live locally, compounded the problem and reinforced peoples prejudices.

Happily, everything has changed, and the 'paddys' in brum are well liked with the exception of a few Neanderthal BNP types

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FFS!! they have censored my post
plenty of Irish moderators on b/f

anyway it is all on the internet
you are right case if Scotland go, can they please take N.Ireland with them
the loyalists are more Scottish than English

We would be glad to get rid of N.Ireland, I can tell you that

Northernlad
which identity are you going to use next?
'bbc's embarrassed dad' or 'Irish_Celtic'?

I am not NorthernLad

Try to keep up ebulG,

he has already posted on here as the other two.

The English have treated the Irish appallingly over the centuries

but when we tried to pull out the Loyalists threatened civil war...
as I assume everybody knows

Possibly in the future Ireland will re unite
but it needs to be voluntary that is the problem

The English have treated the Irish appallingly over the centuries

Maybe,...but....the Irish have moved on and don't look back.

There is no victim mentality. The Irish are a confident people, well liked all over the globe.

The younger English generation have no problems with the Irish, so it's a thing of the past now.

The Irish and English get on great now .

The vast majority of the older type racists have long forgotten about the paddys and tend to focus on the Muslims now.

Whatever keeps them happy I guess. Now I must call me a taxi

Call a taxi for myself would be better English.

Yes they have done well  in Northern Ireland Emden

they have rejected violence, they are fairly peaceful,
but I doubt whether the base resentments have gone away myself
given the right circumstances they would reignite...we cannot become too complacent over this

look around the world
The Ukraine, a near civil war going on, not quite yet....
the Russians want to be part of Russia, The Ukrainianss want to stay part of Ukraine
same situation really

These situations exist everywhere..in the Middle East I think we reached the point of pure evil

A program on WWI I watched, an average collection of prehistoric skulls, one in 6 had been killed by other human beings..skull smashed in
that is what we are

Forget all this PC rubbish...we must remain vigilant of what we really are..if we want peace

Our fantasies give us away...at one time nearly all of us have fantasized about killing another human being
the neighbour who wakes us up with loud music in the early hours, even a car pulling out in front of you on the road,
any number of other reasons

If we had no law and given the right circumstances, there is a very high probability we would do this in real life
We really need to see ourselves as we really are, if we are to prevent an inevitable Armageddon

We are a very violent species, we must be vigilant

just my own opinion

There is a consensus that we are advancing as a species. We are growing more civilized and peaceful.
Well there is some merit in this, but the thing is, what has happened, is our science has made our lives
more comfortable, so we have a lot more to lose, that has reduced some of our violence.

The more primitive societies remain quite violent.

But I don't think it changes us human beings does it. WWII killed 55 million people, that does not speak of peace
does it? That is a lot of people to kill.
Only our nuclear weapons have prevented us topping this figure, because we have had the sanity
to realise these weapons cannot be used.
But will this hold, sadly I doubt it.

We now think if we hand power to women we will have peace. I doubt that as well, because men could not live in a women's
world...the psychological differences between men and women are too great. Men would eventually rebel.
I am also afraid we will grow tired of our comfortable lifestyle, we will get bored, we will return to war.

So what we have here, is a very violent species, who are building ever more efficient weapons to kill
each other with.

tbh it does not look too good to me.

thanks for that gery, I feel so much better now 

Anyway, just so we don't get too sidetracked:

RIP Gerry Conlon

victim of corrupt British policemen and corrupt British establishment & judiciary

Dont worry gery will make a point shortly and state his message in his usual manor ,it may take a few posts but he will do it .

wont you gery ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0WLCJ26Emc

why was colon family chosen for the crime(stitch up)?

breadnbutter  • June 22, 2014 3:51 AM BST
Dont worry gery will make a point shortly and state his message in his usual manor ,it may take a few posts but he will do it .
wont you gery ?

I'm nominating 01:49 post as cheeriest  of the year

xmoneyx

they say alcohol is a depressant, seems to prove it

it works from the premise we are all inherently bad
others think we are  all inherently good

Most people think some of us are good and some of us are a bad
although we often disagree which is which

Iraq is now hell on earth

well done tony

I was on the anti-Iraq war march glasgow,100,000

tony thought he would be welcomed,labour supporters

needed special security,and cancelled his open air speech

well done xmoneyx

whatever way you at look at human nature Tony Blair comes out bad

Once the troubles started in N.Ireland they were very hard to stop but the backdrop to those 30 years of violence were 50 years of sectarianism and discrimination by the unionist majority.
You have to understand why things started and then you have to understand how hard things were to stop once people from all sides were being killed. The real problem was not the british army who first came to protect catholic areas from attack. Take away the British army and the real problems were still going to have to be dealt with....how catholics and protestants would live together in an equal and fair society which respected each others differences and cultures.
The ira could and should have done more to stop Gerry Conlon and the others spending so many years in jail for something they were completely innocent of.

xmoneyx     22 Jun 14 12:07 
Iraq is now hell on earth

well done tony

I was on the anti-Iraq war march glasgow,100,000

tony thought he would be welcomed,labour supporters

needed special security,and cancelled his open air speechLaugh


u should've put the collective heed(sic)on him & got some of the local razor gangs finish him & his entourage off lol

Tony Blair did not make the decision.

He was just a puppet figure-head.

You have a point paddletoe

But you see the IRA have a cause, a United Ireland
for this to happen they want N.Ireland to fail, so that we will pull out
and it will return to the Irish Republic.
To this end they launched a campaign of chaos and terror in N.Ireland

They were eventually defeated. Sensibly enough they have accepted this.
But their cause has not gone away has it?

The reasons for their defeat is that the discrimination against Catholics was removed.
People got fed up living in a society of violence, with endless tit for tat murders between the IRA
and Loyalist paramilitaries.
The co operation of the Irish Republic, they see the IRA as a loose cannon who could bring down their own government.
They started to share information, such as who they were, how they were getting  in and out of N.Ireland, etc...
Life became uncomfortable for the IRA, no hiding place.

The cause remains, the basic problem has not been solved. Who does N.Ireland belong to
the Eire or the United Kingdom?
Thankfully violence has died down.

Who does N.Ireland belong to the Eire or the United Kingdom?

Are you for real? look at the map ffs - does cornwall belong to the uk or france?

The Six Counties have never been part of the Republic of Ireland.  They were nominally part of the Irish Free State for two days.

Eire go brach.

Kernow bys vykken.

I am not blindly on the side of the IRA here.  The only evidence to convict them was from `Oppressed` confessions and British intelligence and the IRA stood by and watched these people denied their freedom and suffer physical and psychological damage for a crime they did not do.

They were scapegoats.

I have no interest in this, but have to ask, did he have a criminal record before he was fitted up?

He had a record for petty crime ( shoplifting ) but was never a member of any terrorist organisation including the IRA.  He was made a scapegoat and treated appallingly in jail and he had never even set foot in Guildford in his life let alone plant bombs.

The IRA and the surrey police are the real scum in all of this sorry tale

And then his father was wrongly imprisoned and passed died in prison 5 years into his sentence.

British Airways then refused to fly the coffin back to Ireland because he was a (wrongly accused) terrorist. All the dignity was taken away for his father. At least Gerry will receive dignity at the end.

MisterBadger  • June 22, 2014 5:10 PM BST
Who does N.Ireland belong to the Eire or the United Kingdom?
Are you for real? look at the map ffs - does cornwall belong to the uk or france?

who does Gibralter belong to
who does The Falkland belong to
who does The Channel Islands belong to
N.Ireland was set up as part of the United Kingdom
The Loyalists still think it is

I know the map says Ireland

Do not tell me Mister Badger
you tell the Loyalists who it belongs to
gl

I was only answering your question gery

fair enough MisterBadger

Until 1922 Ireland was part of the United Kingdom
N.Ireland remains

I think Ireland should be united one day, but N.Ireland has to want it, the majority
that is the problem

Irish Catholics, both sides of the border, believe in a United Ireland in their hearts
but the Loyalists wont leave us
NO SURRENDER

The heart of this problem is

Who does N.Ireland belong to Eire or the United Kingdom?
that is the reality

we all have our different opinions