Disgusted with the BBC last night and their website today.
Top four stories on the news last night were:
1) Massacre in Iraq, 2) Suicide bombing in killing and miming dozens market in Baghdad 3) Some unrest in Waziristan in Pakistan following airport attack 4) Growing extremism in British schools 5) Kidnap of three Israeli kids on West Bank
Now today they are going on about a massacre of dozens of people in Kenya on top of the rest.
Can't the BBC just give it a rest as it will only lead to Islamophobia and the demonising of decent law-abiding Moslems who live in this country.
I suppose they could have reported the other news stories of the day, like the other stations did. What DID the other stations report upon, by the way?
I'm not really sure that the BBC are to blame for all these acts. I think I must be a bit naive.
I suppose they could have reported the other news stories of the day, like the other stations did.What DID the other stations report upon, by the way?I'm not really sure that the BBC are to blame for all these acts. I think I must be a bit naive.
the criminalisation of forced marrieages and the girl married at 12 sent to pakistan, told if she was pregnant then she could go back to Manchester.
and this is what the moderates do to their own!!!!
naughty - shouldn't be reported!!!
the criminalisation of forced marrieages and the girl married at 12 sent to pakistan, told if she was pregnant then she could go back to Manchester.and this is what the moderates do to their own!!!!naughty - shouldn't be reported!!!
It is in fact news, so they are bound to report it
I don't see this as Islamophobia myself I see this as a failure in our own values as well as their values, that people feel the need to turn to this
The world itself has taken an unpleasant turn since about 1980
It is in fact news, so they are bound to report itI don't see this as Islamophobia myselfI see this as a failure in our own values as well as their values, that people feel the needto turn to thisThe world itself has taken an unpleasant turnsince abo
Looking back we had no problems with Islamic countries in the past...Nobody told me Islam was bad at school so how is it bad now????? there must be a cause for this...since they feel the need to regress about 200 years
Looking back we had no problems with Islamic countries in the past...Nobody told me Islam was bad at schoolso how is it bad now?????there must be a cause for this...since they feel the need to regress about 200 years
They forgot about the 50 people killed in Kenya by Somali Islam lovers. Apparently spent 7 hours on the rampage killing anybody who could not answer questions related to Islam .
They forgot about the 50 people killed in Kenya by Somali Islam lovers. Apparently spent 7 hours on the rampage killing anybody who could not answer questions related to Islam .
I have suggested our country aids African especially ex colonies to fight Islamic terrorists...not a lot a lot of response from our government
I assume they cant find them Irish
I have suggested our country aids African especially ex coloniesto fight Islamic terrorists...not a lot a lot of response from our governmentI assume they cant find them Irish
I think some of the problem has been the fall of the Soviet Union they were a friend to some of these poorer countries, they have no one now, so they have tuned back to religion sadly
I note that the richer Western countries push capitalism at all costs...and some dubious moral values in some cases the poorer countries are being pushed towards Islam as a result I feel
It is a great pity...as I think this an extremely regressive step.....
I think some of the problem has been the fall of the Soviet Unionthey were a friend to some of these poorer countries, they have no one now, so they have tuned back to religion sadlyI note that the richer Western countries push capitalism at all cost
Irish_Celtic 16 Jun 14 22:35 And not a dickie bird about the 250 schoolgirls in Nigeria
That was on the BBC news pages on television for quite a few days. It was changed from an initial report of 250, down to 200, about 2 days in.
If you read BBC news pages on television, whatever's on there on Friday night rarely changes over the weekend. You'd think nothing happened in the world for two days.
Irish_Celtic 16 Jun 14 22:35 And not a dickie bird about the 250 schoolgirls in NigeriaThat was on the BBC news pages on television for quite a few days. It was changed from an initial report of 250, down to 200, about 2 days in. If you read BB
lybertyne • June 17, 2014 10:48 AM BST All religions are deluded and their followers should be classed as having a mental illness. Islam is particularly evil.
you may well be right lybertyne, the problem is I think all non religious people are the same so are we are not getting anyway
Religion is a concept, it is human beings who are evil
I would suggest tolerance all round, as we had 40/50 years ago If you dig deep enough and find the cause, it is actually over land, not religion at all it has completely drifted out of hand
lybertyne • June 17, 2014 10:48 AM BST All religions are deluded and their followers should be classed as having a mental illness.Islam is particularly evil. you may well be right lybertyne, the problem is I think all non religious people are the
All of Islam should not judged by Islamic Terrorists
When we invade their countries, it is hardly the fault of Islam, the fault is with us, the invaders
The levels of hate we are seeing in Syria and Iraq, I feel have been uncorked by us
agree StudyformAll of Islam should not judged by Islamic TerroristsWhen we invade their countries, it is hardly the fault of Islam, the fault is with us, the invadersThe levels of hate we are seeing in Syria and Iraq, I feel have been uncorked by us
The level of hatred between Sunni and Shia has always been there, and ultimately it is a matter which they seemed determined to resolve by miltary means. Let them have their Reformation.
That is unfortunately mistaken elbuGery. The level of hatred between Sunni and Shia has always been there, and ultimately it is a matter which they seemed determined to resolve by miltary means. Let them have their Reformation.
It would be quickest and easiest to supply them ALL with some proper heavy weaponry and allow them to sort it out in the desert. No need for all this destruction of property. Get out in the f***ing desert and don't come back until you have acquired tolerance or death!
It would be quickest and easiest to supply them ALL with some proper heavy weaponry and allow them to sort it out in the desert. No need for all this destruction of property. Get out in the f***ing desert and don't come back until you have acquired t
but not these appalling civil wars, that is something, I feel we are responsible for
because we invade and deliberately destabilise these countries
then blame them of course, I don't, I blame us
There is one cause driving all this the creation Of Israel
since we cannot uncreate it, I suggest we stay away, they are big enough to look after themselves
We have completely lost control of the situation in Syria, we may be able to at least restore some order in Iraq
I don't know?????
The levels of hate may have been therebut not these appalling civil wars, that is something, I feel we are responsible forbecause we invade and deliberately destabilise these countriesthen blame them of course, I don't, I blame usThere is one cause d
we gave them democracy and look what they have done with it
a corrupt regime
we are much better
look what Blair did with democracy ha ha ha!!! Sorry couldn't resist it!!!!
no gery you are wrongwe gave them democracy and look what they have done with ita corrupt regimewe are much betterlook what Blair did with democracy ha ha ha!!! Sorry couldn't resist it!!!!
I respect your views on them moisok, you don't like their values, well they are different to ours so your views are honest
but I feel some very bad things have gone down here, and we are at the heart of them, I do not respect this
for a start, how can the US write in it's foreign policy 'the downfall of Iraq', that is in fact an undeclared declaration of war, that is from the early 90's I believe
I respect your views on them moisok, you don't like their values, well they are different to oursso your views are honestbut I feel some very bad things have gone down here, and we are at the heart of them, I do not respect thisfor a start, how can t
So ebulgery, is the one cause the creation of Israel, or the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan?
I told you already, the Sunnis regarded the Shia as idolatrous apostates long before Israel was created, a millennium before in fact.
We should not be involved, this is an internecine war between different branches of Islam. Those who have fostered it - Iran and Saudi Arabia - should be told to deal with it.
So ebulgery, is the one cause the creation of Israel, or the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan?I told you already, the Sunnis regarded the Shia as idolatrous apostates long before Israel was created, a millennium before in fact. We should not be invo
If we let Iran deal with it properly, they won't be coming back home.
Anyway, I'm sure our ultra-competetnt Border Agency will have it all under control.
If we let Iran deal with it properly, they won't be coming back home.Anyway, I'm sure our ultra-competetnt Border Agency will have it all under control.
west backed Iraq in the Iran/Iraq war , west destroyed Iraq and now wants to encourage Iran to sort out Iraq ?
Also we send letters telling bombers they dont have a case to answer after killing members of our forces on home soil ,but we should intervene when it comes to others fighting abroad and jail them here .
west backed Iraq in the Iran/Iraq war , west destroyed Iraq and now wants to encourage Iran to sort out Iraq ? Also we send letters telling bombers they dont have a case to answer after killing members of our forces on home soil ,but we should int
jed.davison • June 17, 2014 5:57 PM BST So ebulgery, is the one cause the creation of Israel, or the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan? I told you already, the Sunnis regarded the Shia as idolatrous apostates long before Israel was created, a millennium before in fact.
I accept that..but you see we did not have the barbarous civil war that appears to be going on in Syria, did we? and could well happen/ has happened in Iraq
So if we ask the question who benefits from all of this, well surely the answer must be Israel they see their enemies the Arabs ripping each other apart, which means they cannot offer a serious threat to Israel
I believe form the early 90's Americas policy has been to destabilise strong Arab states by removing strong rulers, leaving a power vacuum in which internecine war will break out between Shias and Sunnis. This protects Israel. Although I accept America may not have wanted it to reach the levels it has now, they just wanted the removal of strong leaders, it has rather got out of hand
I believe there are one or two secondary causes have been added, but that was the original motivation
just an opinion
jed.davison • June 17, 2014 5:57 PM BST So ebulgery, is the one cause the creation of Israel, or the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan?I told you already, the Sunnis regarded the Shia as idolatrous apostates long before Israel was created, a mille
Its ironic how Saddam and Assad are now being looked at in a different light. Theyve gone from being mad dictators,to strong leaders who kept their countries at least a bit stable, unlike the positions they are now in.
Its ironic how Saddam and Assad are now being looked at in a different light.Theyve gone from being mad dictators,to strong leaders who kept their countries at least a bit stable, unlike the positions they are now in.
I doubt they were ever mad tbh mad mad moon But I admit they were/are somewhat brutal, but it seems this is what these countries need. Because if you remove them and give these people democracy, what happens, civil war This is the worst option for any country in my opinion. All you get is never ending killing, atrocities, and general chaos
So unless someone can negotiate some kind of truce or partition in Syria. Then the only way that terrible civil war will end, is if someone wins.
We had our own civil war, at the end of four years, people were grateful that anybody won. Things were that bad.
I doubt they were ever mad tbh mad mad moonBut I admit they were/are somewhat brutal, but it seems this is what these countries need.Because if you remove them and give these people democracy, what happens, civil warThis is the worst option for any c
The trouble is Iraq were not given much choice were they Booby???? The Gulf War demonstrated Saddam posed no threat to us...our weapons are far superior then why the need for sanctions or the Invasion(on the basis of WMDs which he did not have)?????
Also since the invasion, after the American troops left, there has been a low level civil war going on anyway in Iraq regular terrorist bombings, and tit for tat murders....this is hardly a peaceful society There is a considerable death toll....
I know they are doing it themselves but I feel we are still responsible, because if Saddam was still there this would not be happening, I acknowledge there was a cost to this as far as human rights went....but for most preferable.
Now this extreme group Isis have invaded, intent on inciting all out Sunni/Shia civil war Obama has to decide if he prevent this and how He is talking to Iran I think at the moment I hope he can prevent civil war
The trouble is Iraq were not given much choice were they Booby????The Gulf War demonstrated Saddam posed no threat to us...our weapons are far superiorthen why the need for sanctions or the Invasion(on the basis of WMDs which he did not have)?????Als
The US should have gone in and split the country up into its different ethnic groups . That would have helped . The extremists are just sicko killing machines looking for their next conquest. Sooner or later the UN are going to have to get involved or there is going to be another Cambodia ,Bosnia situation. Iran is run by leaders who are a lot more civil these days and only became a warped extremist country when Ahyatolla Khomeini took over. There seems to be a big under current of Hatred in these Muslim countries and its difficult to see exactly were it stems from. Think in the end a Nuclear bomb will drop on one of them and they'll start to see things a bit different just as the Japanese did when 2 of their cities got wiped off the map.
The US should have gone in and split the country up into its different ethnic groups . That would have helped . The extremists are just sicko killing machines looking for their next conquest. Sooner or later the UN are going to have to getinvolved or
Just to correct another one of your claims ebulGery, Israel doesn't care which particular tribe or sect has control of the Arab world, or any part of it.
Israel destroyed the Arab armies in 1967, and it would destroy them again - this time within minutes - if it came to it.
Just to correct another one of your claims ebulGery, Israel doesn't care which particular tribe or sect has control of the Arab world, or any part of it.Israel destroyed the Arab armies in 1967, and it would destroy them again - this time within minu
I think Israel very much cares...it is a matter of survival for them..still we can agree to disagree jed
only became a warped extremist country when Ahyatolla Khomeini took over actually bobby they threw the Americans and chose that...which is their right
I imagine their hatred comes from seeing us invade Arab countries and kill Muslim...I think if I was a Muslim I would be angry about that...seems a reasonable human reaction
We don't like their value, they don't like ours, fine But we really need to stop believing the only way to peace is to invade countries and start killing people otherwise war will never stop will it
I think Israel very much cares...it is a matter of survival for them..still we can agree to disagree jedonly became a warped extremist country when Ahyatolla Khomeini took overactually bobby they threw the Americans and chose that...which is their ri
Israel destroyed the Arab armies in 1967, and it would destroy them again - this time within minutes - if it came to it.
Israel have probably one of the best trained arm forces in the world...but things have moved on. It wouldn't be so easy this time.
Israel destroyed the Arab armies in 1967, and it would destroy them again - this time within minutes - if it came to it.Israel have probably one of the best trained arm forces in the world...but things have moved on. It wouldn't be so easy this time.
Do wah Diddy • June 17, 2014 8:07 PM BST EVERY BODY FROM THE PAST WHO WAS OLDER THAN ME AND IM 64 USED TO SAY NEVER TRUST AN ARAB
I am in your age group Do Wah Diddy.. hmmm.....I cant remember to be honest????
We were brought up to be pro Israel I remember, "look at poor little Israel being attacked by all those big Arab countries"
I think we aided Israel in the 1967 and 1973 wars(petrol did not arf go up after that one)
But over time I have changed my view, I now see the Palestinian Arabs as the victims here
Do wah Diddy • June 17, 2014 8:07 PM BST EVERY BODY FROM THE PAST WHO WAS OLDER THAN ME AND IM 64 USED TO SAY NEVER TRUST AN ARAB I am in your age group Do Wah Diddy..hmmm.....I cant remember to be honest????We were brought up to be pro Israel I
I think Islam was used to unite all Arabs The problem is now that is actually dividing them into Shias and Sunnis rather like us with our Protestants and Catholics we have given up fighting over that, except in N.Ireland which again is about land not religion
I think Islam was used to unite all ArabsThe problem is now that is actually dividing them into Shias and Sunnisrather like us with our Protestants and Catholicswe have given up fighting over that, except in N.Irelandwhich again is about land not rel
sorry ebulgery but cant have your veiws on Northern Ire .
Bringing Rangers v Celtic into this fred is out of order .
you really are a stirring goat .
http://truthonsectarianism.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/ira-are-sectarian.htmlsorry ebulgery but cant have your veiws on Northern Ire .Bringing Rangers v Celtic into this fred is out of order .you really are a stirring goat .
I really do not know what your problem is breadnbutter Of course I am aware of what went in Ireland...it is a fair comparison and my comment over land I have no idea what you think is out of order???????????????????????
Our agreement did not last longI really do not know what your problem is breadnbutterOf course I am aware of what went in Ireland...it is a fair comparisonand my comment over landI have no idea what you think is out of order???????????????????????
but my facts are not distorted....they are an opinion although the factual part is reasonably accurate obviously we have different opinions
You have seen through mebut my facts are not distorted....they are an opinionalthough the factual part is reasonably accurateobviously we have different opinions
So you think if Saddam Hussein were still there, none of this would be happening?
Good God man, he killed 120,000 Shia in just one of his pogroms, do you think Iran would just be sitting there having that? Further, whatever the rights and wrongs of the invasion and removal of Saddam, the fact is that had the will been there, they could have found a settlement between themselves. But just as in Yugoslavia, the will wasn't there. The only will was the will to fight the wars that Saddam and Tito had kept in abeyance.
You're living in cloud cuckoo land mate.
So you think if Saddam Hussein were still there, none of this would be happening? Good God man, he killed 120,000 Shia in just one of his pogroms, do you think Iran would just be sitting there having that? Further, whatever the rights and wrongs of t
jed.davison • June 18, 2014 10:14 AM BST People may interpret things differently, but just as in horse racing form, only one opinion is right in the end.
yes but is not a horse race, this is living history, no one knows who's opinion will be right in the end until we are long dead....when History will decide the result
At the moment, we are in play, so all bets are still on
I note your comparison to Yugoslavia a reasonable comparison. Once Tito and communism departed the country, it fell back into ethnic hatred and divides
But this is not their will this has a base from centuries past. It is in fact people being what they are. They are trapped in history
Once people like Tito and Saddam are removed, then you have taken the lid of the cauldron, there is little control what come out.
My point is this, are the people of Iraq better off now, or were they better off under Saddam, this is not clear to me, seeing as there is inevitable series of bombings and atrocities, Isis will make this worse
it is a fair question
jed.davison • June 18, 2014 10:14 AM BSTPeople may interpret things differently, but just as in horse racing form, only one opinion is right in the end. yes but is not a horse race, this is living history, no one knows who's opinion will be right
As for people only posting what is known for a fact
Well there would be precious little posting on here, unless someone has direct links to all the governments of the world?
everything that is put is either interpretation or opinion
I put mine up, more than most
and I have a sick sense of humour, but don't think I do not see the pain of what is happening here, gallows humour I would say
As for people only posting what is known for a factWell there would be precious little posting on here, unless someone has direct links to all the governments of the world?everything that is put is either interpretation or opinionI put mine up, more
The nuking of Japan was the only thing that was going to stop them fighting to the last man. Some of these Muslim countries seem to think the west and Israel will never use them. When they see the devastation one causes on their own turf the whole Muslim world will wake up and sort itself out. Just an opinion though Gery ,could be wrong.
The nuking of Japan was the only thing that was going to stop them fighting to the last man. Some of these Muslim countries seem to think the west and Israel will never use them. When they see the devastation one causes on their own turf the whole Mu
the problem in Japan was different I would argue, their own code of ethics did not allow them to surrender the Emperor himself had to intercede, and order surrender, Japan was already beaten, for Japan to continue would have meant an utterly point sacrifice, it was all up with them
It is all right a warrior committing hari kari, for a whole nation to do it is another thinf, The Nuclear Bomb, plus the Russian army arriving arriving at Chinese ports meant surrender was the only option, in a sane world
fair opinionthe problem in Japan was different I would argue, their own code of ethics did not allow them to surrenderthe Emperor himself had to intercede, and order surrender, Japan was already beaten, for Japan to continuewould have meant an utterl
Also if you propose nuking Arab countries, then in the interest of fairness one would have to nuke Israel equal treatment for both sides
I don't think they want this, nukes need to be kept out of this area of the world
Also if you propose nuking Arab countries, then in the interest of fairness one would have to nuke Israelequal treatment for both sidesI don't think they want this, nukes need to be kept out of this area of the world
ebulGery 18 Jun 14 13:05 As for people only posting what is known for a fact
Well there would be precious little posting on here, unless someone has direct links to all the governments of the world?
Our govt. state that violent crime in all areas is decreasing. Is that the truth? Rape is on the increase. So, for the purpose of UK crime stats, rape is not a classed as a violent crime?
WALOFS
ebulGery 18 Jun 14 13:05 As for people only posting what is known for a factWell there would be precious little posting on here, unless someone has direct links to all the governments of the world?Our govt. state that violent crime in all areas is
bigmo • June 18, 2014 1:26 PM BST Iraq crisis: Isis planning to attack Britain, says Cameron - live
The reason he may have said this, is he knows nobody in this country really gives a toss what happens in Iraq, which I feel is true so he makes up some pretend threat, bit like Blair did really which suggests he is considering our intervening in contrast to what Hague said yesterday we would not be intervening, there is nothing we can do, that the US cannot do themselves very true
We are a target for a lot of terrorist groups, that is the world we live in, we must be vigilant
As for Isis targeting us, well that is because of our previous invasion of Iraq so Blair's claim that invading Iraq reduced the terrorist threat, has been shown for the lie it always was It increases it.
I have no trouble with anybody taking our Isis, they appear to be a pretty nasty lot
bigmo • June 18, 2014 1:26 PM BSTIraq crisis: Isis planning to attack Britain, says Cameron - liveThe reason he may have said this, is he knows nobody in this country really gives a toss what happens in Iraq, which I feel is trueso he makes up som
I agree Cameron is quite capable of lying about anything.
It appears the Muslim Community here is very slow at condemning these extremists yet again. My heart goes out to all those innocent kids over there caught up in all this filth.
I agree Cameron is quite capable of lying about anything.It appears the Muslim Community here is very slow at condemning these extremists yet again. My heart goes out to all those innocent kids over there caught up in all this filth.
It is not always easy for these people to condemn their own, or necessarily safe, but we can disagree on that one bigmo
I see Cameron is not advocating intervention, he warns us we must aid Muslim and African countries in their fight against terrorists..
As long as it is just terrorist, I am all for that, I think we should as well
just no more invasions, or overthrow of regimes we don't like please
It is not always easy for these people to condemn their own, or necessarily safe, but we can disagree on that one bigmoI see Cameron is not advocating intervention, he warns us we must aid Muslim and African countriesin their fight against terrorists
I think we have got ourselves in a complete state of hysteria over Islam they pose no threat whatsoever to us..they are third world countries
To threaten us..they would need: A good stock of Nuclear weapons Some very sophisticated ballistic systems to deliver them A highly sophisticated satellite surveillance system A highly sophisticated airforce, with things like Stealth planes and beyond A fleet of Nuclear Submarines armed with Nuclear weapons, permanently on the move, permanently ready to strike Extremely advanced tanks and and infantry weapons, as we have probably a few other things
name me ONE Muslim countries which has got this????????????????????????????????
We are like a load of women, who scream and jump on chairs at the sight of a mouse, because it is a mouse which threatens us
As for terrorist attacks We have had two Muslim terrorist attacks in recent years...the London bus bombing and those two lunatics in North London both of these were a direct consequence of out intervention in Iraq so far from reducing risk of terrorist attack, our invasion of Iraq increased it, this is proof
As we a large resident Muslim community we could be vulnerable to terrorism, no sign yet though, one just needs a bit of vigilance here
So can people please stop demonising Islam into this massive threat, which in fact it is not
I think we have got ourselves in a complete state of hysteria over Islamthey pose no threat whatsoever to us..they are third world countriesTo threaten us..they would need:A good stock of Nuclear weaponsSome very sophisticated ballistic systems to de