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VIETNAM all over again
US embassy preparing to evacuate !! anyone remember that
I was fn out there but not with the US!!!
US embassy preparing to evacuate !! anyone remember that
I was fn out there but not with the US!!!
Whatever the rights and wrongs of what happened in in the past
...I don't see anything we can do now, except offer humanitarian aid
You seem to have had a very interesting life moisok
...I don't see anything we can do now, except offer humanitarian aid
You seem to have had a very interesting life moisok
u are fn right there ebulgery - I have no idea how i have survived coz I ain't no big fkr or clever etc etc - but try the aussi destroyer with the holes in the stack for starters ha ha!!!
We say Islam is a religion of hate
but what on earth is Christianity...try looking at a history of Europe
WWI, WW2, started in Europe, nothing to do with Islam....we are now falling out again over Ukraine
I don't see what is supposed to be peaceful about us??????????????????????????????
The white non Hispanic population of America are of course ex Europeans
My advice when dealing with Islam, which to be frank we do not understand
We should try being good for a change, honest, fair, good moral values, tolerance, integrity, etc
I do not see where just invading their countries and killing, on the basis of lies, is helping myself
The current problem in Iraq is an overflow from this terrible war in Syria....which we do can do nothing to stop
The longer the fighting, the more barbaric the brutality will become....this always happens in long wars
but what on earth is Christianity...try looking at a history of Europe
WWI, WW2, started in Europe, nothing to do with Islam....we are now falling out again over Ukraine
I don't see what is supposed to be peaceful about us??????????????????????????????
The white non Hispanic population of America are of course ex Europeans
My advice when dealing with Islam, which to be frank we do not understand
We should try being good for a change, honest, fair, good moral values, tolerance, integrity, etc
I do not see where just invading their countries and killing, on the basis of lies, is helping myself
The current problem in Iraq is an overflow from this terrible war in Syria....which we do can do nothing to stop
The longer the fighting, the more barbaric the brutality will become....this always happens in long wars
If we intervene it must be at the request of the democratically elected government of Iraq
We must clearly state our aims and limitations
We are there to stop the killing, not start it
So our enemy will be terrorists, not the ordinary people of Iraq
We must be careful though, no hidden agendas!
We must clearly state our aims and limitations
We are there to stop the killing, not start it
So our enemy will be terrorists, not the ordinary people of Iraq
We must be careful though, no hidden agendas!
The whole situation has been caused by one thing and its nothing to do with religion ,plenty of decent Muslim people in the
world ..
OIL end of ,as for leaving ASSAD in power he will be left as will the country ,there is little or no oil in Syria ..
No western billions invested or to be invested ..
world ..
OIL end of ,as for leaving ASSAD in power he will be left as will the country ,there is little or no oil in Syria ..
No western billions invested or to be invested ..
IF 
.. I wait with baited breath ,its a case of when IMVHO ...
.. I wait with baited breath ,its a case of when IMVHO ...
If it is just OIL we want case
then why can't we please just take it, they have not cut us off
and let them sort their own countries out...
then why can't we please just take it, they have not cut us off
and let them sort their own countries out...
They are taking it ,it may become a little more difficult if there are 50,000 armed lunatics to deal with ...
Blue ,Iraq is a tragedy there has been little or no reporting for years thousands killed ,kids trying to go to school
thru bombsites ,hospitals in shambles the whole infrastructure of the country still way below what it should be ,just
tragic they hung SADDAM for his crimes ,BLAIR and BUSH have destroyed a nation, that may never recover, in the name of
the Yankee $ ..God only knows what the troops who were sent there make of it all ....
Blue ,Iraq is a tragedy there has been little or no reporting for years thousands killed ,kids trying to go to school
thru bombsites ,hospitals in shambles the whole infrastructure of the country still way below what it should be ,just
tragic they hung SADDAM for his crimes ,BLAIR and BUSH have destroyed a nation, that may never recover, in the name of
the Yankee $ ..God only knows what the troops who were sent there make of it all ....
I agree case
the thing is why are we going to war to get our OIL????????
surely there is simpler way, we normally use, like BUYING IT
there is another motive here, which has caused all our, and tragically their troubles
the thing is why are we going to war to get our OIL????????
surely there is simpler way, we normally use, like BUYING IT
there is another motive here, which has caused all our, and tragically their troubles
casemoney • June 12, 2014 1:35 AM BST
They are taking it ,it may become a little more difficult if there are 50,000 armed lunatics to deal with ...
Blue ,Iraq is a tragedy there has been little or no reporting for years thousands killed ,kids trying to go to school
thru bombsites ,hospitals in shambles the whole infrastructure of the country still way below what it should be ,just
tragic they hung SADDAM for his crimes ,BLAIR and BUSH have destroyed a nation, that may never recover, in the name of
the Yankee $ ..God only knows what the troops who were sent there make of it all ....
fair points but I'm really not having they did it for yankee dollar.
They are taking it ,it may become a little more difficult if there are 50,000 armed lunatics to deal with ...
Blue ,Iraq is a tragedy there has been little or no reporting for years thousands killed ,kids trying to go to school
thru bombsites ,hospitals in shambles the whole infrastructure of the country still way below what it should be ,just
tragic they hung SADDAM for his crimes ,BLAIR and BUSH have destroyed a nation, that may never recover, in the name of
the Yankee $ ..God only knows what the troops who were sent there make of it all ....
fair points but I'm really not having they did it for yankee dollar.
1 million demonstrated against Iraq on streets of London. Handful of political elite did what they wanted anyway for there own benefit.
" ive seen the evidence(w.m.d.)and if i didnt do anything id never forgive myself" blair said that after coming back from talks hold on some island in the middle of nowhere, one f ucking liar!
The US soldiers had been wearing `in memory of 9/11` stickers on their helmets in Iraq.
The financial elitist establishment succeeded in the brainwashing process of the cannon fodder.
The financial elitist establishment succeeded in the brainwashing process of the cannon fodder.
Bush and Blair are not responsible for what is happening in Iraq now.Obama is President and a weak one.
He has left Iraq at the mercy of fanatics. America should having won the war have been ruthless and governed Iraq and forced and upheld western v.alues This would be financed by oil for the benefit of the US
and Iraq.
He has left Iraq at the mercy of fanatics. America should having won the war have been ruthless and governed Iraq and forced and upheld western v.alues This would be financed by oil for the benefit of the US
and Iraq.
How could they win the war without 1000`s of troops being killed? The American people wanted out, Obama run his campaign on this.
How can you force democracy on tribal people lfc? Your suggestion would be to feed fire with fire.
How can you force democracy on tribal people lfc? Your suggestion would be to feed fire with fire.
The technology is there to enable the US to govern Iraq. Every section of the country should be under camera
survailance,i would even say every citizen. Israel has shown that by building security terrorists csn be stopped
survailance,i would even say every citizen. Israel has shown that by building security terrorists csn be stopped
so turn Iraq into an open air jail with camara recording all move is the answer? no
This is the future for all countries, and it should not be dismissed outright. Surprisingly if people were to
record and store everything they did daily, and do this themselves, they may find it increases their freedoms
and democracy.
record and store everything they did daily, and do this themselves, they may find it increases their freedoms
and democracy.
They seem to be able to kill one another without the help of the west!!
That is 1984
lfc1971, and you won't like if/when it comes
America should having won the war have been ruthless and governed Iraq and forced and upheld western v.alues
no they should not, Iraq now have a democratically elected Islamic Fundamentalist government
that's it, we can do no more
and we are responsible for the current situation in Iraq, because it could only have happened if somebody removed Saddam
and I say again this has little to do with not the reason we invaded, that is the lie
lfc1971, and you won't like if/when it comesAmerica should having won the war have been ruthless and governed Iraq and forced and upheld western v.alues
no they should not, Iraq now have a democratically elected Islamic Fundamentalist government
that's it, we can do no more
and we are responsible for the current situation in Iraq, because it could only have happened if somebody removed Saddam
and I say again this has little to do with not the reason we invaded, that is the lie
Ebul it dosn't matter if a government that is not democratic has been voted in. America should not have
allowed anything other than a western style democracy and this should have been imposed under US rule.
allowed anything other than a western style democracy and this should have been imposed under US rule.
lfc You would escalate radicalisation with that ideology.
Once again you can not force western style democracy on tribal people.
Once again you can not force western style democracy on tribal people.
the feckers looted over $400 Million from Mosul Central Bank yesterday. Hope it doesn't go to their head!
Blair did win elections on the snaff, but Id suggest had we known then what we do now then he certainly wouldn't.
He was counter the saying, he was the manifestation of a polished turd.
A wolf in sheep's clothing and an individual whom emulated thatcherism that sacrifices the interests of society at the benefit of self.
Thatcher said when asked what was her biggest legacy, 'New Labour'
About the only thing I'd have agreed with.
He was counter the saying, he was the manifestation of a polished turd.
A wolf in sheep's clothing and an individual whom emulated thatcherism that sacrifices the interests of society at the benefit of self.
Thatcher said when asked what was her biggest legacy, 'New Labour'
About the only thing I'd have agreed with.
It's the politician's job to trick the public into believing their version of stats and ideology and attempt to hide the extent of self serving.
Blair at the time was good at it, but just like the sex offenders who were 'good' at their thing previously, time has a way of catching up with you.
Blair at the time was good at it, but just like the sex offenders who were 'good' at their thing previously, time has a way of catching up with you.
you may mean well lfc1971
but you are wrong, they have a western style democracy because we forced it on them
look at the result.....Angel Gabrial is right, it does not work with tribal people
If we wanted a peaceful Iraq, simple, leave Saddam Hussein in place
not much we can do about that now
but you are wrong, they have a western style democracy because we forced it on them
look at the result
.....Angel Gabrial is right, it does not work with tribal peopleIf we wanted a peaceful Iraq, simple, leave Saddam Hussein in place
not much we can do about that now
the capitalism behemoth needs growth, and other people's growth is fair game....all the rest is blather to get the public on side.
Moisok is right in saying these people are extremely warlike
but our interventions in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya were also extremely warlike
The sad truth is, we love war as a species, all we do is look for an excuse, if we don't see that soon, I see no future for us
Imposing a 1984 world on us is not the answer, no individual would have any privacy or freedom of choice,
we would be prisoners of whatever government was in power..that is another bleak option facing the human race
but our interventions in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya were also extremely warlike
The sad truth is, we love war as a species, all we do is look for an excuse, if we don't see that soon, I see no future for us
Imposing a 1984 world on us is not the answer, no individual would have any privacy or freedom of choice,
we would be prisoners of whatever government was in power..that is another bleak option facing the human race
Libya only happened after Gaddafi refused to pay the 95bn the british government billed him for financing and arming the IRA
Until he refused all the talk was about re-integration and blair fondled his nutsack
Until he refused all the talk was about re-integration and blair fondled his nutsack
If we start wars on the basis of unpaid debts....we in for a lot of war
I feel sorry for the families of the soldiers who lost their lives or returned with no legs or other disabilities. FOR WHAT!!
Forget about killing them in Iraq and Afghanistan-the British Government can't even keep them out of schools in Birmingham. At least the march of Militant Islam is up front in Iraq. In Britain it is insidious- Birmingham Schools, the Tower Hamlets Mayoral election, the inability to remove them on grounds of human rights, the no go areas of London patrolled by Islamists (eg Acton). The Islamic Republic of Britain gets closer by the minute.
Forget about killing them in Iraq and Afghanistan-the British Government can't even keep them out of schools in Birmingham. At least the march of Militant Islam is up front in Iraq. In Britain it is insidious- Birmingham Schools, the Tower Hamlets Mayoral election, the inability to remove them on grounds of human rights, the no go areas of London patrolled by Islamists (eg Acton). The Islamic Republic of Britain gets closer by the minute.
O'Bama stirring and seeing a casus belli it seems.
Obama say his government is looking at all options
including military action, to help Iraq fight Islamist militants
Haig has ruled out our military involvement
we will offer humanitarian aid only
Clegg said something sensible for once, referring to 2003 war
I don't think having made one mistake, you repeat it by making a second one
It is a difficult situation, these type of countries need government by the strongest, not by democracy
only then do you get order and law
including military action, to help Iraq fight Islamist militants
Haig has ruled out our military involvement
we will offer humanitarian aid only
Clegg said something sensible for once, referring to 2003 war
I don't think having made one mistake, you repeat it by making a second one
It is a difficult situation, these type of countries need government by the strongest, not by democracy
only then do you get order and law
Governments of any persuasion are useless, if they cannot impose order and law imo
Because that is what most ordinary people want, so they can get on with their daily lives
Because that is what most ordinary people want, so they can get on with their daily lives
I wonder what B.liar has got say now?
I remember him saying, ok we've not found any wmd's but isn't it great that Saddam's gone?
I'm sure Al Qaeda would be in agreement.
I remember him saying, ok we've not found any wmd's but isn't it great that Saddam's gone?
I'm sure Al Qaeda would be in agreement.
I think you mean the prophetic words of the great george w bush.
''fool me once erm shame on you.....fool me twice, ermmm....I mean fool me or something, fool me and you cant fool me again'
Or sumat along those lines
''fool me once erm shame on you.....fool me twice, ermmm....I mean fool me or something, fool me and you cant fool me again'
Or sumat along those lines
Latest news is Iranian troops have been deployed in Iraq so it's US and Iran v. Isis !!
you wait till they get back from syria - 500 plus and some of them are with ISIS hahhhahaha
Mo, I'm going to the pub for lunch on Saturday afternoon. If you are about then you are more than welcome to join us.
do not distract me while I am laying the fk out of croatia
Democracy working well in Iraq....troops sent to deal with the rebels have gone over to the rebels side
The PM cannot get emergency powers because no MPs turn up for the vote.......
I don't know what Obama thinks he can do?????????????????????????????
The PM cannot get emergency powers because no MPs turn up for the vote.......
I don't know what Obama thinks he can do?????????????????????????????
Is there a now a huge bronze statue of Tony Blair or George Dubya in Firdos Square, Baghdad? All ready and waiting for the Jihadists to pull down when they reach the capital?
be convenient Sultan
US are looking at intervention, but no ground troops
US air power , particularly if helicopters are used could well stop this invasion through N.Iraq
lots of devastation and dead bodies of course
Iran has pledged to stand by Shia Muslims in the South, I don't know if Iran will move into S.Iraq
or if they are just calling for volunteers to bolster the Shias, look like the latter
Democracy can only return to Iraq if this latest set of invaders are driven back into Syria from whence they came
since they are fighting against Assad in Syria, their arms may been supplied by the US themselves
I much prefer the name Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant
to the one they have now adopted
The Sunni Islamic State of Iraq and al_shams ISIS
that second one is crappy, the first one sounded so much better
US are looking at intervention, but no ground troops
US air power , particularly if helicopters are used could well stop this invasion through N.Iraq
lots of devastation and dead bodies of course
Iran has pledged to stand by Shia Muslims in the South, I don't know if Iran will move into S.Iraq
or if they are just calling for volunteers to bolster the Shias, look like the latter
Democracy can only return to Iraq if this latest set of invaders are driven back into Syria from whence they came
since they are fighting against Assad in Syria, their arms may been supplied by the US themselves
I much prefer the name Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant
to the one they have now adopted
The Sunni Islamic State of Iraq and al_shams ISIS
that second one is crappy, the first one sounded so much better
The UN have condemned the Jihadists now, so that should stop them in their tracks for a while.
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^ thats actually very good as i think the cooont"s the devil and now i can see its true
Has anyone else noticed the media's reluctance to call to account our politicians over this episode?
If I was a journo for the BBC I would call in any MP who voted for the invasion and ask him/her...
'Look what you've done! Look what you've ****** done!! You ignored the advice, the history, the public's huge demonstration of opposition and you stand accused of one of the biggest tragedies we've ever seen. YOU CAUSED THIS!'
If I was a journo for the BBC I would call in any MP who voted for the invasion and ask him/her...
'Look what you've done! Look what you've ****** done!! You ignored the advice, the history, the public's huge demonstration of opposition and you stand accused of one of the biggest tragedies we've ever seen. YOU CAUSED THIS!'
THEY are all in together, Injera.
That's why THEY got stuck into UKIP before the European elections.
the BBC being the worst of the lot of course
That's why THEY got stuck into UKIP before the European elections.
the BBC being the worst of the lot of course
the journos jobs are dependent on supporting the status quo
And yet blair still won a third term after invading iraq which i find very depressing.
the dossier wasnt known to be dodgy though then and nor did we actually know saddam was being forced to prove a negative....WMD
We knew many had died and we knew they didnt find any WMD.
I cant recall, when did they actually come out and say 'actually there are no WMD'
Or did they ever?
Or did they ever?
They didnt announce that they found any, i guess that suggests they didnt find any.
but did they ever officially say 'we are no longer looking, since we accept they dont exist'?
Obviously if you get told they exist then any reasonable person would assume theyd need time to find them, but just to skulk off and hope nobody noticed theyd stopped would be pretty low
Obviously if you get told they exist then any reasonable person would assume theyd need time to find them, but just to skulk off and hope nobody noticed theyd stopped would be pretty low
Injera • June 13, 2014 7:16 PM BST
Has anyone else noticed the media's reluctance to call to account our politicians over this episode?
sadly I agree
rob_dylan • June 13, 2014 7:59 PM BST
And yet blair still won a third term after invading iraq which i find very depressing.
and again
The attitude seems to be, well Saddam was a bad guy, so who cares
Aside from the terrible human loss of life, I think our credibility has been damaged
when our government claims another threat now, people think oh yes here comes another lie
We have weakened our moral position, how can we complain at Putin after what we did in Iraq
truth does come out in the long run, it demands it
Has anyone else noticed the media's reluctance to call to account our politicians over this episode?
sadly I agree
rob_dylan • June 13, 2014 7:59 PM BST
And yet blair still won a third term after invading iraq which i find very depressing.
and again
The attitude seems to be, well Saddam was a bad guy, so who cares
Aside from the terrible human loss of life, I think our credibility has been damaged
when our government claims another threat now, people think oh yes here comes another lie
We have weakened our moral position, how can we complain at Putin after what we did in Iraq
truth does come out in the long run, it demands it
I am not sure What Obabama can do
ISIS are in the Sunni bit at the moment
I think he may have to throw in his air power before ISIS reach the Shia bit, then serious war breaks out
I am glad Cameron has clearly stated HUMANITARIAN aid only
ISIS are in the Sunni bit at the moment
I think he may have to throw in his air power before ISIS reach the Shia bit, then serious war breaks out
I am glad Cameron has clearly stated HUMANITARIAN aid only
I am not sure What Obabama can do
Leave the place alone until they've all killed each other, which is what they should have done in the first place.
Leave the place alone until they've all killed each other, which is what they should have done in the first place.
the trouble with that looking at Wikipedia...is they are supposed to be a force for good
well I don't see blair and bush like that myself at all...still we have our different view
well I don't see blair and bush like that myself at all...still we have our different view
Tony B.liar.
What an embarrassment this c unt is.
He's now saying that invading in 2003 was justified because the Arab Spring in 2011 would've removed Saddam anyway.
How does he know that?
What an embarrassment this c unt is.
He's now saying that invading in 2003 was justified because the Arab Spring in 2011 would've removed Saddam anyway.
How does he know that?
incredible that his words carry any credibility....you'd think he would just slink off & keep his head down & mouth shut....shows just how delusionary he is
He uses the same argument religious dopes like him use you cannot prove I am wrong therefore I must be right.
A US aircraft carrier has been deployed to the Gulf in response to the escalating violence.
here we go
here we go
Should Read
A US aircraft carrier has been deployed to the Gulf in response to Investors in Iraqi Oil worried about doing their Brains .
A US aircraft carrier has been deployed to the Gulf in response to Investors in Iraqi Oil worried about doing their Brains .
I think Obama will wait to see if the Iraqi Army/Shia/Kurdish coalition can drive ISIS out on their own
I would think US air strikes would very carefully targeted to ISIS units only myself?
But I think he would rather the US were not drawn in again
I don't think the US public want that anymore myself
I would think US air strikes would very carefully targeted to ISIS units only myself?
But I think he would rather the US were not drawn in again
I don't think the US public want that anymore myself
Democracy is very weak in Iraq, it barely holds up, unless large numbers of US troops are permanently stationed there,
which nobody wants
Iraq is like a wolf pack, it can only be governed by the strongest
as most Middle Eastern countries probably are
which nobody wants
Iraq is like a wolf pack, it can only be governed by the strongest
as most Middle Eastern countries probably are
Blair is mentally deranged. He should be in some sort of institution.
Instead he is on the BBC with Andrew Marr licking his anus for all he's worth
Instead he is on the BBC with Andrew Marr licking his anus for all he's worth
Tony Blair - and the people that voted (blind) for Labour to govern when he was the their leader - (everbody thinks a nice face will do wonders)- THICKO total PRATTS. imo. No need for further proof.
A video on the BBC News Website today of Tony Blair telling us that what was underestimated when removing the dictatorship the outcomes the tribal/ethnic/religious tension - and this is a game changer.
NO FECKING SH1T TONY!
NO FECKING SH1T TONY!
Blair does come across as unhinged, but he's still more electable than Wallace
'unhinged'? - you only had to look at what he married to have realised that!
Blair does come across as unhinged, but he's still more electable than Wallace
Milliaband eating that bacon sarnie was fooooking funny though
http://metro.co.uk/2014/05/21/going-going-gone-poor-ed-miliband-struggles-to-eat-bacon-sandwich-4736096/
Milliaband eating that bacon sarnie was fooooking funny though
http://metro.co.uk/2014/05/21/going-going-gone-poor-ed-miliband-struggles-to-eat-bacon-sandwich-4736096/
Milliband funny? you bet - joke and a half. The people like to laugh though.......................(on the other side of their face ultimately).
Angel Gabrial • June 15, 2014 8:19 PM BST
A video on the BBC News Website today of Tony Blair telling us that what was underestimated when removing the dictatorship the outcomes the tribal/ethnic/religious tension - and this is a game changer.
NO FECKING SH1T TONY!
Some of us think this should have been predicted in advance???
We rather assume our leader has some degree of intelligence and integrity
Plus he is still lying, I know exactly what the reason was,
A video on the BBC News Website today of Tony Blair telling us that what was underestimated when removing the dictatorship the outcomes the tribal/ethnic/religious tension - and this is a game changer.
NO FECKING SH1T TONY!
Some of us think this should have been predicted in advance???
We rather assume our leader has some degree of intelligence and integrity
Plus he is still lying, I know exactly what the reason was,
when I say I know, it is my opinion of course, but a very strong one
I find it hard to think of another
I find it hard to think of another
cartoon
https://mobile.twitter.com/MartinShovel/status/478099158474444800/photo/1
https://mobile.twitter.com/MartinShovel/status/478099158474444800/photo/1
^ Sums it up perfectly.
Try as he might, he can't spin (or dig) his way out of it.
Try as he might, he can't spin (or dig) his way out of it.
Apparently a joke now doing the rounds in MoD circles is
“we now have what we didn’t have in 2003: a valid reason to invade Iraq.”
“we now have what we didn’t have in 2003: a valid reason to invade Iraq.”
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