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24 May 14
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Two Slovakian parents have failed to block the adoption of two of their sons by a same sex couple in Kent.
The Catholic couple, who are of Roma origin, argued their two young children would grow up alienated from their family and community.
Taking the case to the High Court, they accused the local authority of social engineering by attempting to turn the children white and middle class.
An earlier hearing heard evidence they had neglected their children.
In what the judge described as a "very sad case", the boys - aged two and four - were put up for adoption because of concerns about the couple's parenting.
A judge had ruled the younger boys should be adopted, for their long-term welfare.
She said that any adoption placement should be "sensitive to their needs and identity".
But the parents argued the current plan - to place them with a gay couple - did not fulfil this.
At the High Court earlier this month the parents accused Kent County Council of a "conscious deliberate effort... to transform our children from Slovak Roma children to English middle-class children".
They claimed homosexuality was not recognised by the Roma community. Gay marriage has been condemned by Catholic bishops in Slovakia.
Adoption by a same sex couple could cause their children psychological harm in the future, they argued.[/b]
"This is likely to cause them great upset and to suffer a conflict within themselves such as to set them against their adoptive parents."
However in his judgement - made public on Friday - Sir James Munby, the most senior judge in the Family Court, said the couple had no grounds in law to appeal.
The parents are inevitably appealing to the European Court of Human Rights.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27552716
The Catholic couple, who are of Roma origin, argued their two young children would grow up alienated from their family and community.
Taking the case to the High Court, they accused the local authority of social engineering by attempting to turn the children white and middle class.
An earlier hearing heard evidence they had neglected their children.
In what the judge described as a "very sad case", the boys - aged two and four - were put up for adoption because of concerns about the couple's parenting.
A judge had ruled the younger boys should be adopted, for their long-term welfare.
She said that any adoption placement should be "sensitive to their needs and identity".
But the parents argued the current plan - to place them with a gay couple - did not fulfil this.
At the High Court earlier this month the parents accused Kent County Council of a "conscious deliberate effort... to transform our children from Slovak Roma children to English middle-class children".
They claimed homosexuality was not recognised by the Roma community. Gay marriage has been condemned by Catholic bishops in Slovakia.
Adoption by a same sex couple could cause their children psychological harm in the future, they argued.[/b]
"This is likely to cause them great upset and to suffer a conflict within themselves such as to set them against their adoptive parents."
However in his judgement - made public on Friday - Sir James Munby, the most senior judge in the Family Court, said the couple had no grounds in law to appeal.
The parents are inevitably appealing to the European Court of Human Rights.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27552716
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I do not think it is ideal myself
However this couple did blow own chances by neglecting them in the first place
so if true.....they do not really have a case??
However this couple did blow own chances by neglecting them in the first place
so if true.....they do not really have a case??
Children need love, security and stability....their first need
They really should have a mother and father...but not if they are no good.....their first need is more important
They really should have a mother and father...but not if they are no good.....their first need is more important
Throw it to The Guardian's comment section...the ultimate dilemma for them!
I hope they have dropped that ridiculous rule no children to UKip couples
although now they won't even let them go to a smoker
we are becoming a ridiculous society
Most important thing to a child is to be valued, loved, so as long as the parents have some competence
in raising children..that is usually enough
although now they won't even let them go to a smoker
we are becoming a ridiculous society
Most important thing to a child is to be valued, loved, so as long as the parents have some competence
in raising children..that is usually enough
I saw a program on China years ago...a lost boy turned up at a railway station, he has been dumped.
someone said to the Station Master, do you want him? he said ok, he lived on his own, and that was it, not much vetting there
he will look after me in my old age he said.
The kid was probably ok, but just handing him over to a stranger, the mind boggles
someone said to the Station Master, do you want him? he said ok, he lived on his own, and that was it, not much vetting there
he will look after me in my old age he said.
The kid was probably ok, but just handing him over to a stranger, the mind boggles
interesting that the parents were being assisted by a Slovakian charity, and that they are lobbying the Slovak government to request the case be heard more quickly at the Human Rights Court. I wonder if that govt. would be motivated to do that? It must be a shocker to these parents that they've come here, treated their kids like sh1t, had them taken away by social services and now they're scuppered.
As long as the neglect was real...I am glad the social services acted
There have been one or two cases where children of immigrants do not seem to have been given much protection.
They may not have been easy to place. But as long as they are somewhere where they are wanted and treated properly should
be ok..I am sure the gay couple understand the boys male needs will need to be met.
I think boys do need a father, but certainly not a neglectful one, better none at all. Love is the most important thing to a child.
There have been one or two cases where children of immigrants do not seem to have been given much protection.
They may not have been easy to place. But as long as they are somewhere where they are wanted and treated properly should
be ok..I am sure the gay couple understand the boys male needs will need to be met.
I think boys do need a father, but certainly not a neglectful one, better none at all. Love is the most important thing to a child.
Not really a natural state of affairs is it.
More social engineering and the sensible afraid of speaking out in case they are called names - a bit like Nazi Germany in reverse.
More social engineering and the sensible afraid of speaking out in case they are called names - a bit like Nazi Germany in reverse.
Awww...did I upset somebody, my 11-11 post has been removed, the one that ebulGery posted two smilies for.
It was still here at 5-00 p.m.
It was still here at 5-00 p.m.
were put up for adoption because of concerns about the couple's parenting.
Yet who decides on the council's suitability to rule on that?
They can't even place them in adoption without requiring a high court ruling.
How much did that cost the council's taxpayers?
Also placing the children with a gay couple would disqualify them from being suitable on grounds of judgement in many people's eyes. Including the Slavakian church.
What kind of money wasting idiots are running these councils?
Yet who decides on the council's suitability to rule on that?
They can't even place them in adoption without requiring a high court ruling.
How much did that cost the council's taxpayers?
Also placing the children with a gay couple would disqualify them from being suitable on grounds of judgement in many people's eyes. Including the Slavakian church.
What kind of money wasting idiots are running these councils?
I have just noticed that taxi
I cant think why anybody would defend that awful couple??????
yes boys need a father Dr Crippen
one of the problems with our modern society, is that women frequently decide they don't
the result is a lot of uncontrollable boys grow up, for which the rest of society have to pay the cost
I have assumed this was a last resort placing
Children are better off with anybody who will love them, than staying in children's home, I can attest to that
I cant think why anybody would defend that awful couple??????
yes boys need a father Dr Crippen
one of the problems with our modern society, is that women frequently decide they don't
the result is a lot of uncontrollable boys grow up, for which the rest of society have to pay the cost
I have assumed this was a last resort placing
Children are better off with anybody who will love them, than staying in children's home, I can attest to that
I hope this is not some weird pc experiment
most children need a mother and father
most children need a mother and father
Why place them with a gay couple anyway?
Controversy always surrounds cases like these. Have the council got money to burn fighting it out in court.
Obviously as well the council thinks that the rights of gays are more important than any possible downside in child's welfare that might come from the placing.
That in my book rules them unsuitable to decide where to place children for adoption.
That aside.
At least why didn't the council adopt a safety first policy and place them where it wouldn't attract any controversy?
I suppose that would have been far too easy.
Who are the council's solicitors? I bet they've been rubbing their hands together.
Which probably explains a lot.
Controversy always surrounds cases like these. Have the council got money to burn fighting it out in court.
Obviously as well the council thinks that the rights of gays are more important than any possible downside in child's welfare that might come from the placing.
That in my book rules them unsuitable to decide where to place children for adoption.
That aside.
At least why didn't the council adopt a safety first policy and place them where it wouldn't attract any controversy?
I suppose that would have been far too easy.
Who are the council's solicitors? I bet they've been rubbing their hands together.
Which probably explains a lot.
you could be right Dr Crippen
I don't have a lot of faith in our social services
there are good social workers...but there are also an awful lot of these PC types
I don't have a lot of faith in our social services
there are good social workers...but there are also an awful lot of these PC types
I cant compromise on a child's need to be loved though, it is not a good scenario when children are made to feel unloved
I think what may have affected this, is that social services have failed other immigrant children
remember that little boy who was starved and tortured to death in full view, while social services did nothing
Social services may well have gone to the other extreme here(the sort of thing we usually do)
they whipped these boys away from the immigrant parents as fast as possible and rehomed them quickly
If this a sensible older couple, who may have had previous experience of raising their own children, hopefully it wont be too bad?????
hopefully
remember that little boy who was starved and tortured to death in full view, while social services did nothing
Social services may well have gone to the other extreme here(the sort of thing we usually do
)they whipped these boys away from the immigrant parents as fast as possible and rehomed them quickly
If this a sensible older couple, who may have had previous experience of raising their own children, hopefully it wont be too bad?????
hopefully
you have no idea what goes on in these social worker environments
they are more concerned with sexist and racist issues than looking after children
they even have courses for it to correct you if you are straying
i fkn know !!!
they are more concerned with sexist and racist issues than looking after children
they even have courses for it to correct you if you are straying
i fkn know !!!
ebulGery
25 May 14 13:37
remember that little boy who was starved and tortured to death in full view, while social services did nothing
The tragic part of 'Baby P', who died in 2007, was that it rightly slagged off social services for being useless, and that it was in the London Borough of Haringey.
In 2000, Victoria Climbie was also tortured and murdered in Haringey.
But we were assured that 'This will not happen again. Lessons will be learned.'
25 May 14 13:37
remember that little boy who was starved and tortured to death in full view, while social services did nothing
The tragic part of 'Baby P', who died in 2007, was that it rightly slagged off social services for being useless, and that it was in the London Borough of Haringey.
In 2000, Victoria Climbie was also tortured and murdered in Haringey.
But we were assured that 'This will not happen again. Lessons will be learned.'
The last few posts have nailed it imo, Baby P, Victoria C, and many many others, LESSONS HAVE BEEN LEARNED.
Even when a woman at the top table is sacked, to universal approval, the lawyers work a massive compo pay off.
All of Peter`s murderer`s are out a while, or awaiting licence.
While the law lords make fortunes preparing the law to be softer.
Even when a woman at the top table is sacked, to universal approval, the lawyers work a massive compo pay off.
All of Peter`s murderer`s are out a while, or awaiting licence.
While the law lords make fortunes preparing the law to be softer.
''Lessons will be learned.''
What do they think they are being paid for trial and error?
I've got a better maxim to concentrate their minds- ''heads will roll''
What do they think they are being paid for trial and error?
I've got a better maxim to concentrate their minds- ''heads will roll''
Even when a woman at the top table is sacked, to universal approval, the lawyers work a massive compo pay off.Cry
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