The BBC are filth

where is northernlad when you need him

In solitary?

I thought fox news was biased, now doubt they will say the survey was correct and valid.

whereas the daily maily is a beacon of truth & impartiality 

ffs

thanks, i need to see all the reports.

Ibrahima. I just had a quick look at the BBC link you put up. What, exactly, are you complaining about, or are we all supposed to guess? All I saw was a reference to some figures from some department or other.
Please put into words what you are saying is wrong or biased and, if possible, WHY you say it is wrong (or biased).

The news item itself is factual...not a lot the BBC can do either way

I have not read the analysis, I never do, this may be where the bias is

I look at the facts only, then draw my own opinion

I like one of the responses to that news item...underneath it

someone has posted
lets just elect Jeremy Clarkson

The number of Romanians and Bulgarians working in the UK has fallen by 4,000 since employment restrictions were lifted in January, but is up 29,000 compared with a year ago, figures show.

The Office for National Statistics (ONS) figures show 140,000 employed in the UK between January and March 2014.

On 1 January, Bulgarians and Romanians gained the same rights to work in the UK as other EU citizens.

Prime Minister David Cameron told MPs the reduction was "notable".

2.3 million eastern europeans have settled here since 2002, over half are Polish.

Since visa restrictions were dropped in January this year, I bet nobody is counting.

end of 2013
155,000 Romanians
107,00 Bulgarians
Total 262,000

140,000 working is what it  says up there^^^

ok in simple terms for naydam

the bbc reported a story based on a survey of 44 thousand people, yes less than from .1% of the population and reported it as facts, given that it was a survey certainly would have had me worried to begin with.


the daily mail story comes from how many national insurance numbers were issued to people from certain countries.

no doubt you will still be in denial.

I'm not in denial...I like FACTS more than most people. I'm just confused. I think I will leave it at that.

do you need to be resident to apply for NI number?

no, thats why the story quotes applied.

Bulgarian applications went up by 71 per cent over the 12 months to 17,750. National Insurance registrations by Romanians in the first three months of this year are nearly double those for the whole of 2013.
The ONS said 30 per cent of those registering in 2014 had been in Britain for more than a year and 22 per cent had registered within three months of arriving in Britain.

whichever way you weigh it up its more than minus 4000

I am totally confused now??????????????????

the state of our unemployment not sure we need anyone in, we need a few people to leave really

maybe if english spoke another language they would be more employable abroad ?

I suppose some of these applications were refused aswell? If you doubt ONS figures you would also need to doubt unemployment figures? I dont know what else is based of these surveys? GDP etc? Its interesting how you can slice "FACTS" to suit your desired view point

Maybe there's 'good' facts and 'bad' facts.

brendanuk1  • May 24, 2014 12:00 PM BST
maybe if english spoke another language they would be more employable abroad ?

true brendan1

I tried to learn German in the past but gave up

A long time ago, I had a chance of an IT job in Germay, once I did not get the job, I gave up
they wanted someone who already had good German

also there was the problem how can I bet on UK horse and greyhound racing from Germany
this was before the internet

If one learns another language can give one wider view on the world, see things from another countries point of view
a but I am old to learn now, I prefer just to bet

This is the biggest disadvantage in having English as your first language. What do you learn as your second language? French, German, Spanish, Mandarin, Russian, Urdu? The decision is much easier for most other nations because of several different reasons.
I believe that English is generally accepted as the 'go to' language for communication between foreigners.
It isn't that we are lazy, it's just that learning a second language,  other than English, would be very 'target-specific'.

Brendan,

Documentary following Roma on C4, "Gypsy`s on benefits and proud", shown the other week and was a thread on here.

One day collecting scrap metal, organised by the gang master, receipt for £240 was enough to gain a NI number and housing and welfare benefit.

That is why the Big Issue has been hijacked by the eastern European gangs.

In Rotherham there are at least 4,500 Slovaks and have a Slovak guy employed to sort the benefits out smoothly.

true Naydam...that is the problem

There's lies,damned lies and then statistics. Another phrase is  ' creative accounting'
Are the employment figs.correct ? Are they hell !

I assume they have a Slovak guy to sort out all the benefits because he speaks their language AND understands the system and their entitlements. Pretty much the kind of scenario that I would use if I was requiring assistance in Slovakia.

It might help a lot of needy people in this country if the staff at the claims dept. would ensure that everybody else was fully aware of, and claiming, everything they were entitled to.

There was a warehouse supervisors job advertised in Wisbech Jobcentre about 3 years ago. At the bottom of the job card was this message:

The ability to speak Lithuanian would be a distinct advantage in gaining employment.

Sounded a tad unfair to locals imo.

Times have changed in the Fens.
They used to have just one foreign language notice up in March Jobcentre in 2006: 'If you require a Welsh translator let the receptionist know.'

Most romanians and bulgarians had already been here years when the restrictions were removed in January. So I never expected the 'flood' in the first couple of months.

Who do you has been manning all these car washes on every street corner the length and breadth of the UK for the last 5 years? Try having a conversation with one and see how far you get!

Look at the romanian beggars sleeping rough in London that have been deported multiple times over the last few years. 

Romanian pick pockets have been working London for years now - they didn't wait for Jan 1st did they?

The media and politicians need to get out a bit more........they might learn something

They won't.