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as all the parties only do, and make laws their friends in the big corporations want, even to the point of turning our police force into nothing more than a revenue collection service
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Fell privileged that you are allowed a free vote if you wish too, millions all over the world have & never will get the chance.
it is a privilege i have no wish to partake of, our political parties are bought and paid for by the big corporations and banks.by voting they recieve a mandate to continue their corruption. all you do when you vote is choose the puppet controlled by the left hand or the right hand, if you don't get to choose the puppet master your vote is not worth the paper you put your x on
My dad invented "The Roofing Bucket". A bucket that stands on a pitched roof even when full.
Fredrescue our elected government are supporting the fascists in ukraine, al queda in libya and syria, i don't remember anyone knocking on my door at the last general election telling me these were going to be our allies
FredRescue 16 May 14 19:23
Democracy is dead.
Bring on the fascists.
The facists have been here a while.
Mussolini describe facism as the merger of state and corporate powers.
Too big to fail?
Bank bailouts?
Quantitive easing?
Tax avoidance schemes?
Facism doesn't have to appear in nazi jackboots.
Democracy is dead.
Bring on the fascists.
The facists have been here a while.
Mussolini describe facism as the merger of state and corporate powers.
Too big to fail?
Bank bailouts?
Quantitive easing?
Tax avoidance schemes?
Facism doesn't have to appear in nazi jackboots.
Voting isn't pointless.
But supporting a party or a politician like it was your favourite band or football team - now THAT'S plain dumb.
But supporting a party or a politician like it was your favourite band or football team - now THAT'S plain dumb.
two blokes nocked on my door last week
"allow me to introduce ....... .......
"are you a politician ?"
not even a yes ... just a shameful nod and a look down to the floor
I shut the door .
"allow me to introduce ....... .......
"are you a politician ?"
not even a yes ... just a shameful nod and a look down to the floor
I shut the door .
rogerthebutler 16 May 14 21:40 Joined: 01 Mar 03 | Topic/replies: 9,496 | Blogger: rogerthebutler's blog
Voting isn't pointless.
But supporting a party or a politician like it was your favourite band or football team - now THAT'S plain dumb.
True. Number of people who blindly follow the tories or labour is depressing. I might vote for a random independent or the greens next year. It is a way of showing two fingers to the big two. For me labour and the tories have both got into bed with murdoch so they are precisely the two parties i wont vote for.
Voting isn't pointless.
But supporting a party or a politician like it was your favourite band or football team - now THAT'S plain dumb.
True. Number of people who blindly follow the tories or labour is depressing. I might vote for a random independent or the greens next year. It is a way of showing two fingers to the big two. For me labour and the tories have both got into bed with murdoch so they are precisely the two parties i wont vote for.
Its the Labour Party that gave you everything you have, everything you are!
Until Labour came along this country was run by aristocrats and wealthy land owners.
If it wasn't for Labour you would still be required to 'doth your cap' and lick the ass of the stinking rich and be very grateful for the privilege.
"The VOTE!"
You think they would have ever have voluntarily given ungrateful plebs like you the vote?
Think we can put you down Rob as another traitor to your ancestral working class heritage and the glorious proletariat.
Until Labour came along this country was run by aristocrats and wealthy land owners.
If it wasn't for Labour you would still be required to 'doth your cap' and lick the ass of the stinking rich and be very grateful for the privilege.
"The VOTE!"
You think they would have ever have voluntarily given ungrateful plebs like you the vote?
Think we can put you down Rob as another traitor to your ancestral working class heritage and the glorious proletariat.
voting is pointless. havent voted in at least 10 years, maybe longer. could be nearer 20 years thinking about it. i voted when i was 18, then 3 or 4 times after that. never bothered since. apart from the fact the same party always wins in my area anyway, i dont even care who wins any elcetion anymore. they all just say what they think will get them votes, then when they get elected do whatever they feel like doing and sod what their policies were supposed to be that people actually voted for.
Same here - the other guy amd myself that want a Tory MP are always out-voted by the 50,000 that vote Libdem or Plaid - it is SO unfair!
You should vote, no matter what. People are dying all over the world just to be able to put their little 'kiss' next to a candidate or party. We have the tattered remenants of freedom and democracy and simply not to show up on polling day is a pretty sh1tty thing to do, morally.
But do it cynically.
Do it in the expectation you will be let down. Do it for the lesser of several evils. Absolutely do not put your faith that any of them will ever change much bar the whistles and bells surrounding the overall system. It's about who manages Capitalism best, not whether capitalism is the best system we should live under and you know what, most people like it that way.
Faced with a choice of radical left or radical right on a polling card, despite the sound and fury of a few herein, most will go for Labour, Tory or Liberal. Faced with the chance to change the system we vote under to proportional representation, giving voice to a wider number of parties from all areas of the political map, we kicked it into touch and went with what we know.
We're content to jog along, because, well, on a global scale we're not fking up as badly as some countries. We're broadly okay. We've not been in a war that really hurts a majority in any meaningful way for 70 years. We'll go with the flow, with the current eddying slightly 'left' or slightly 'right' - and pretend it's some great and glorious life-changing event, populated by the most noble and charismatic of our society we are choosing from.
But do it cynically.
Do it in the expectation you will be let down. Do it for the lesser of several evils. Absolutely do not put your faith that any of them will ever change much bar the whistles and bells surrounding the overall system. It's about who manages Capitalism best, not whether capitalism is the best system we should live under and you know what, most people like it that way.
Faced with a choice of radical left or radical right on a polling card, despite the sound and fury of a few herein, most will go for Labour, Tory or Liberal. Faced with the chance to change the system we vote under to proportional representation, giving voice to a wider number of parties from all areas of the political map, we kicked it into touch and went with what we know.
We're content to jog along, because, well, on a global scale we're not fking up as badly as some countries. We're broadly okay. We've not been in a war that really hurts a majority in any meaningful way for 70 years. We'll go with the flow, with the current eddying slightly 'left' or slightly 'right' - and pretend it's some great and glorious life-changing event, populated by the most noble and charismatic of our society we are choosing from.
The point people make that don't vote is that their elected representative, councillors or MPs, don't listen to what the people want, or don't want.
In Kings Lynn, the council wanted to build a monstrous waste incinerator plant. They announced their plans in the local rag, and this was copied to lots of parish magazines.
They got thousands of letters of protest, but started the ball rolling anyway.
After it was started, they had the audacity to send papers to every house in west Norfolk to vote on it. Of course, we, the great unwashed, don't get to see the ballot papers, but judging by the previous comments, and local gossip, there was a massive vote against it.
Iirc, It went t1ts up when govt. funding was withdrawn.
This has landed Norfolk County Council with a £37 million compensation bill, as work had started.
If nobody in power got any backhanders out of this fiasco, I would be greatly surprised, and somewhere along the line, the public, who didn't want it, will have to pay that bill.
In Kings Lynn, the council wanted to build a monstrous waste incinerator plant. They announced their plans in the local rag, and this was copied to lots of parish magazines.
They got thousands of letters of protest, but started the ball rolling anyway.
After it was started, they had the audacity to send papers to every house in west Norfolk to vote on it. Of course, we, the great unwashed, don't get to see the ballot papers, but judging by the previous comments, and local gossip, there was a massive vote against it.
Iirc, It went t1ts up when govt. funding was withdrawn.
This has landed Norfolk County Council with a £37 million compensation bill, as work had started.
If nobody in power got any backhanders out of this fiasco, I would be greatly surprised, and somewhere along the line, the public, who didn't want it, will have to pay that bill.
Very well said Roger.
It's a privilege to be able to vote - not a waste of time at all.
Those that don't vote - even if they just fill in a spoilt ballot paper to show their discontent - are undermining the very ethos of democracy.
It's a privilege to be able to vote - not a waste of time at all.
Those that don't vote - even if they just fill in a spoilt ballot paper to show their discontent - are undermining the very ethos of democracy.
So cmat, Rob, moist pants, horusisis (sounds like some weird sect).
The forum has spoken-
YOU..."are undermining the very ethos of democracy."!
The forum has spoken-
YOU..."are undermining the very ethos of democracy."!
Also for those that think 'I can't be @arsed to go to the polling station' - remember; you are entitled to a postal vote, if you want one.
What could be easier than putting X in a box (or making a mess of the ballot paper - if you so desire), sealing an envelope and sticking it in a post box?
Details here:
http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/how_do_i_vote/voting_by_post.aspx
What could be easier than putting X in a box (or making a mess of the ballot paper - if you so desire), sealing an envelope and sticking it in a post box?
Details here:
http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/how_do_i_vote/voting_by_post.aspx
Really, I ask every one to vote - even if it's a spoilt paper to show your discontent.
The way that democracy is being slowly but surely eroded in this country could one day see the fundamental right of your kids or grand children being able to elect a government in this country disappear - if apathy persists.
Then you (or they) will be thinking "How did that happen then?"
Think on.
The way that democracy is being slowly but surely eroded in this country could one day see the fundamental right of your kids or grand children being able to elect a government in this country disappear - if apathy persists.
Then you (or they) will be thinking "How did that happen then?"
Think on.
B-B, I think I was guilty last time at the EU elections as we were talking about them in the quiz room a few weeks ago and I said then I couldn't actually remember voting that year - but it was at the time my mother was in dire straights in hospital for several weeks so I probably didn't.
Felt guilty about it though - if it's correct that I didn't - as I may have voted anyway as I've had a postal vote ever since the general public could have one.
Felt guilty about it though - if it's correct that I didn't - as I may have voted anyway as I've had a postal vote ever since the general public could have one.
How can you NOT vote?
Above anything, it's fun and something different.
Above anything, it's fun and something different.
my excuse roger is I am one of those "tribalist" voters mentioned earlier, there are no candidates in my area so no vote.
Spoil your paper then, B-B, to show your unhappiness with the situation.
If there was a 100% return of ballots and only 60% of them counted officially as votes, it would be a move in the right direction towards maintaining the remaining democracy we have.
Let your voice be heard - in which ever way possible - even if it's to show anger.
Non-voting does absolutely no good whatsoever.
If there was a 100% return of ballots and only 60% of them counted officially as votes, it would be a move in the right direction towards maintaining the remaining democracy we have.
Let your voice be heard - in which ever way possible - even if it's to show anger.
Non-voting does absolutely no good whatsoever.
I have already binned it Tommy as I get a postal vote
Ah, that's a pity if you can't retrieve it, B-B.
Every vote counts - even if it's a spoilt paper.
Every vote counts - even if it's a spoilt paper.
I've gone for Nellist this time - 'No2EU: Yes to Worker's Rights'.
http://www.no2eu.com/
Farage is a clown who I could never vote for but at least he's made the main parties squirm on their fundamental disregard about the facts of being involved so far in Europe without ANY GENERAL SUFFRAGE FROM THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY about the fact - and it's only through people's indolence in voting at elections that's got us into this state - which the 'non-voters' really ought to think about.
It's no good moaning about something if you're not at least willing to put your mark on a ballot paper - whether it be a vote or not.
http://www.no2eu.com/
Farage is a clown who I could never vote for but at least he's made the main parties squirm on their fundamental disregard about the facts of being involved so far in Europe without ANY GENERAL SUFFRAGE FROM THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY about the fact - and it's only through people's indolence in voting at elections that's got us into this state - which the 'non-voters' really ought to think about.
It's no good moaning about something if you're not at least willing to put your mark on a ballot paper - whether it be a vote or not.
he's moved to your area has he Tommy, he used to be a Labour man from Coventry
B-B, he (and his co-representatives) are covering the Midlands area. The EU elections don't work in the same way as normal elections, he probably covers your constituency too.
no he wasn't down for ours Tommy we come under East Midlands
For anyone unsure of how the EU elections work (and who want to know), here's the breakdown :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014_(United_Kingdom)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014_(United_Kingdom)
Well it would have been the same thing, if they're standing in your region, B-B - voting for No2EU - whether Nellist was one on the ballot paper or not.
They're covering 7 regions, so I hope they get plenty of votes.
They're covering 7 regions, so I hope they get plenty of votes.
we've got Labour, Conservative, Libs, UKIP, BNP, Greens, English Democrats, Independence from Europe and the Harmony Party.
Well, if I'd have been you I'd have written on my ballot paper " I want to vote for (whoever) and there's no representation here" - and posted it.
It would go down in the numbers cast as a 'spoilt paper' - but it would at least count as a percentage of the turnout.
And who knows if the remarks on spoilt papers are taken notice of? I wouldn't be surprised if they are, in this day of over-analysing.
It would go down in the numbers cast as a 'spoilt paper' - but it would at least count as a percentage of the turnout.
And who knows if the remarks on spoilt papers are taken notice of? I wouldn't be surprised if they are, in this day of over-analysing.
Tommy if I thought it would have been read I may have done that, CMAT no never heard of the Jedis and I have never heard of the Harmony party either, they could be an anti hairspray party as far as I know.
Before anybody votes they should understand this -
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and the fact Labour will always ruin the economy they govern for themselves ,why do you think they are not offering a referendum on Europe? Open door immigration = votes for Labour at the expense of the British working classes.
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and the fact Labour will always ruin the economy they govern for themselves ,why do you think they are not offering a referendum on Europe? Open door immigration = votes for Labour at the expense of the British working classes.
ignoring the fact i dont understand how the europe thing works (and no, i dont care how it works either lol) i dont really believe in our current system of democracy, so voting wouldnt make much sense imo.
i believe the country should be run by a panel of elected people from all walks of life. with the overall leader merely a headfigure who has no real power except to put things to a vote in the houses of parliament. not similar to now, because parties wouldnt even exist in my system. if someone is good enough to do the job, they should be in the govt. until voted out.
i believe the country should be run by a panel of elected people from all walks of life. with the overall leader merely a headfigure who has no real power except to put things to a vote in the houses of parliament. not similar to now, because parties wouldnt even exist in my system. if someone is good enough to do the job, they should be in the govt. until voted out.
My local mp is tim louhton and i often see him at the farmers market in town. He got a serious b.ollocking from Bercow for boorish behaviour in the commons once. One day i will pluck up the courage to speak to him about it and tell him frankly that i wont vote vor someone who behaves like that and makes a mockery of parliament. I know he is not the only one but he is one of the worst apparently.
media,journalists hav a big responsibility ,that why I'm happy with political bloggers,you read things on Internet political parties don't want out.i don't agree with guido Fawkes political stance,but he digs the dirt.andrew Neil who's suppose to be neutral tweeted cyber nats (scum).
with so many non voters,each vote is now more important,hence the UKIP b^tchfight in the media
with so many non voters,each vote is now more important,hence the UKIP b^tchfight in the media
I've heard of Guido Fawkes xmoneyx, are they a neutral site or do they favour anyone?
"And who knows if the remarks on spoilt papers are taken notice of? I wouldn't be surprised if they are, in this day of over-analysing."
They certainly are, after the last elections I got a nice note from my GP congratulating me on my high-fibre diet.
They certainly are, after the last elections I got a nice note from my GP congratulating me on my high-fibre diet.
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