Amanda Knox

ive literally just read that now. She sent a letter to him saying she doesn't wanna hurt him but se cannot give him her heart as she loves someone else

was*

She was referring to her boyfriend in the USA who she broke up before leaving

Actually Don my theory does fit.

And Karla welcome to the debate. Good isn't it?

I am not Defending Mignini or going along with his satanic ideas. I am just assembling the facts available. The facts are not evidence and they are fallible but that is all there is available.

Remember a young girl was brutally murdered. Had I said Sollecito and Guede did it while Knox was innocent would you be raving the same?

Why did Knox go to the house instead of staying with Sollecito?

Why did she shower in a bloodied bathroom?

Why did she ring a girlfriend before ring Sollecito about the bloodied bathroom?

Why did she lie about Lumumba?

She then repeated the lie the next day in a 5 page document. Why?

Guede said he heard Meredith and Knox argueing then screaming. Why?

He could have said anything but why say Knox?

All of the girls were away. Why choose Knox?

The grocer described someone outside his shop that morning. Why describe Knox?

There was a knife in Sollecito's draw with Kercher's blood on it. How?

Knox's bloody footprint was found in the 'break-in' room. How did that happen?

The footprint in blood in the bathroom shown up by Luminol was a young woman's of Knox's foot sze. The DNA could not be proven because the Luminol messed it up but whose footprint was it?

Something to go on with.

Ok don, cheers

Foxy looks like the appalling Nadal. That was enough in my book to arouse suspicion.

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Misogyny is an exaggerated pathological aversion towards women.

Indeed, and the reason I asked is because I fear you are demonstrating this towards Amanda. You could made a considered response instead you seem to have become angry and called me some names. Very telling,imo.

I think the theory you have just posted which funnily enough blames Amanda is further reason to ask about your real motivations, it is the most ridiculous, absurd thing I have ever seen on these forums.


Meredith was murdered by more than one person.

Supposition.

Knox was apparently a little promiscuous

A lie and a smear.

I could see why she returned to the house that night was to meet Guede

Absurd supposition without a shred of anything to even indicate it could possibly be true.

Knox waited for Scillecito to fall asleep

This is just getting ridiculous. How on earth could anyone know that? Who has ever testified to this? It's just utter fantasy.

She and Guede tried to encourage Meredith to play ball with them, she refused,

Yet more baseless supposition, was this the 4th or the 5th theory the prosecutor put forward? I lost count.

Guede was pretty streetwise so they cleaned as best as they could.

He can't have been that streetwise given according to this concoction of yours he eradicated all her DNA but rather foolishy left his own all over the room. I don't normally use those smilies, but in this case .

She was the one considered to have bought the bleach.

Simply lies.

Touched/cleaned the knife etc.

The knife, which was not the murder weapon anyway had traces of starch recovered from it. Had it been bleached that wouldn't have been possible. Maybe you should try them for the murder of a potato or two.

They tried to cover the mess as best as possible and stupidly faked a break in to cover their tracks.

More supposition with of course the customary zero evidence.

She sneaked the knife back to Scillecito's or carried the DNA back with her.

Hilarious stuff.

I think Sollecito is innocent. Guede and Knox guilty.

I think you are borderline insane.[/i]


Great post.

Didn't Guide only get 16 years because the court he was sentenced in said others were involved. Apparently Knox's  appeal has made a mess of Guide's sentencing.
So others involved isn't a supposition. A court in Italy said so?
This info i got from watching sky news on the night she was released?
Apologies if inaccurate, just chatting

brigust, the answer to some of those may support her as being in the house and potentially doing it, but they are not relevant to supporting the elaborate theory you've put together. 

'You obviously haven't researched this at all otherwise you would not have posted the list you did. ' would apply better to yourself

You are talking complete rot Don.

I posted the articles supporting my theory, if you read them. You obviously have not read this thread. Just jumped in half-c o cked.

You say it is not possible. Tell me where?

I've been a consistent poster in this thread since it opened, you're the only talking complete rot.

Keep posting articles if you want but they don't directly address the questions I put to you (which suggest why it's extremely implausible)

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1.4 guilty for me as well


See you changed your view after the verdict. Never mind you are consistent though.

My view is this..

Knox left no DNA in the victims bedroom. ( murder scene )..99% certain that she was not in the room at the time of the murder.

Scillecito is linked at the murder scene because of supposed DNA evidence on the bra clasp wire. Yet further expert forensic opinion reveals it as unreliable, due to proceedures not adhered.  It generally requires two hands to release a bra strap or if it is being ripped away with one hand, you would leave dna on more than just a clasp.
Highly unlikely to have been involved in the murder.

Rudy Guede, well his prints and DNA are all over the victim, but has anyone ever considered the meaning of the Guede meaning. Baring in mind Rudy Guede was adopted and would have done much research into his name.

Guédé
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In Haitian Vodou, the Guédé (also spelled Gede or Ghede, pronounced [ɡede] in Haitian Creole) are the family of spirits that embody the powers of death and fertility. Guédé spirits include Ghede Masaka, Guédé Nibo, Guédé Plumaj, Guédé Ti Malis, and Guédé Zaranye. All are known for the drum rhythm and dance called the "banda". In possession, they will drink or rub themselves with a mixture of raw rum or clairin and twenty-one habanero or goat peppers.
Papa Ghede is supposed to be the corpse of the first man who ever died. He is recognized as a short, dark man with a high hat on his head, a cigar in his mouth, and an apple in his left hand. Papa Ghede is a psychopomp who waits at the crossroads to take souls into the afterlife. He is considered the good counterpart to Baron Samedi. If a child is dying, Papa Ghede is prayed to. It is believed that he will not take a life before its time, and that he will protect the little ones. Papa Ghede has a very crass sense of humor, a divine ability to read others' minds, and the ability to know everything that happens in the worlds of the living and the dead.
Brave Ghede is the guardian of the graveyard. He keeps the dead souls in and the living souls out.
Ghede Bábáco is supposedly Papa Ghede's less known brother and is also a psychopomp. His role is somewhat similar to that of Papa Ghede, but he doesn't have the special abilities of his brother.
Ghede Nibo is a psychopomp, an intermediary between the living and the dead. He gives voice to the dead spirits that have not been reclaimed from "below the waters".
Ghede Masaka assists Ghede Nibo. He is an androgynous or transgendered male gravedigger and spirit of the dead, recognized by his black shirt, white jacket, and white headscarf. Ghede Masaka carries a bag containing poisonous leaves and an umbilical cord. Ghede Masaka is sometimes depicted as the companion of Ghede Oussou. Both are bisexual.
Ghede Oussou wears a black or mauve jacket marked on the back with a white cross and a black or mauve headscarf. His name means "tipsy" due to his love of white rum.[1] Ghede Oussou is sometimes also linked with the female Ghede L'Oraille.
[edit]The Guédé Barons

Was Merideth sleeping with Rudy Guede as well Giocomo Silenzi.
And something inside Rudy Guede snapped when Merideth hurt his feelings somehow.

The police believe there was more than one person mainly due to the fact that Meridith did not put up a struggle, but what if she was wrapped tight in the quilt at the time of murder and could not mover her arms to try and defend herself. If this was the case, then one person could have killed her.

Good grief Angel where have you been. I said to my wife I would put down my conclusions, see what you thought and leave it there.  Suddenly all hell let loose. I was accused of being a misogynist and borderline insane. Among many other things. Its only my view ffs. I never abused anyone or insulted anyone but there you are. It may sound strange but this is a strange case. And no-one on here knows the truth. Everyone is guessing.

You always thought they were innocent and I always thought they were guilty. Im not sure what the polls say.

I just felt Sollecito looked a bit too meek to carry out such a violent act. If the comments Knox said when told about how Meredith died are true then nothing would surprise me. Again the truth is hard to come by. No matter what anyone says there are a lot of irregularities and odd occurences in her story to be believable. For me that is.

I read your Wiki about Guede and he does seem mixed up to say the very least. He obviously was involved the evidence is pretty damning. Sadly we may never know the truth but until I hear compelling reasons to change my view it will stay as I put it.

Ok Brigust im back..

We all have an opinion mate, and emotions can run high when tones are being misinterpreted when posting on a forum.

Can you tell me why the Italian police are adamant that one person acting alone could not have killed Meridith ?

From the reports I read Guede arranged to meet Meredith that evening, the night before. Who else knew?
There were apparently some comments from Guede about fancying Knox and Meredith was apparently alone at the house that night. I wonder who knew?
Why did Amanda go back to the house? You have to admit there are a lot of unanswered questions.

In fact I don't think I have heard one compelling reason to discount her from involvement. Not one.

Whatever anyone thinks, EVERYONE must agree the prosecution must be one of the worst ever assembled in world history. The clown obviously just made up a story and bent the facts to fit. I believe Rudy Guede killed Kercher. There is no mystery about who killed her. He did.

Only question is what part did Knox and RS play. I think minor, at worst inviting Guede into the house and bottling it once they realised he'd murdered Knoxes housemate and attempted to cover it up. Knoxes testimony said she confusedly saw Lumumba enter Kerchers room and heard her scream. One report even said Guede said he heard Knoxes voice but never saw her. I think maybe just maybe in Knoxes mind she believed she saw lumumba but it was actually Guede.

See what we dont know is what chemistry was there between Rudy Guede and Meredith. Guede apparently was infatuated with Knox, and perhaps had been hanging around the cottage to see/ stalk her.
Meredith comes home and Guede sweet talks her into coming in.

But what i am saying is, he could have killed her on his own.

walofs from the daily mail (Absolute rag)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/
news/
article-508528
/Chilling-pictures-Meredith-murder-scene-reveal-apartment-bloodbath-horror.html


Look at the bathroom they say is covered in blood which Knox supposedly showered in. That isn't blood its forensic testing material used to highlight invisible proteins (Blood)

If you read up on what the man who basically adopted Rudy Guele Paolo Caporali says about him.

"We gave him an opportunity, even though we knew he was a liar and had been in trouble, but we wanted to give him a chance," said Caporali.
"We took him in as a son,  but he was more interested in other things than studying and work.  We gave him a job but we had to sack him because he was never there.
"In the end we asked him to leave our home because we just couldn't cope any longer and we have had no contact with him for more than a year.

Your right Angel but while the defence claimed he did it alone the prosecution claimed he couldn't have.

These unanswered questions only add to the confusion.

He, Guede, obviously was capable of murder but why did he implcate Knox for definite and Sollecito possibly?
He had already arranged to meet Meredith that evening, apparently, so lets say he killed her alone. Why would the other two even enter his mind? If they weren't there in the first place he could have implicated anyone. Even a ficticous person.

Plus say you've just murdered someone, 40 plus stab wounds and blod everywhere in the bathroom etc. you then go to the trouble of then going into someone else's room scattering all of their belongings around the place then go outside and put a brick through the window. Then you do a runner. How odd is that?

Partly why I think Sollecito didn't do it is because of this report:

During the trial, prosecutors depicted him as a "dog on a leash," helplessly influenced by Knox, whom he had been dating only six days when they became the main suspects in the murder.

So we have a killer Rudy Guele. A compulsive liar, confirmed by his adopted family. A petty thief who was known to carry a knife, and sell drugs. He had a compulsive sexual appetite for the opposite sex...

He wanted to have sex with Knox, but was it an opportunist chance to rape Meredith.

Why are the Italian police so sure there must have been more than one attacker?

Rudy Guede was a proven compulsive liar throughout his life. Its easy to see him implicating anyone, especially the 2 most likely to be there.

He is one of the biggest bullshiiters on the planet and you are wondering why he would lie to try and save his bacon.

'See you changed your view after the verdict.'

My view now is the same as it was before the verdict, my 1.4 assessment was in relation to how they would find her this week. I find it rather hard to believe she committed the murder, and almost as hard to believe that her story is true and that she wasn't in the house/aware of what happened.  Pure speculation, it's a shame that the chances are we'll probably never find out what happened (and an infinitely greater one for the Kercher family), but I see her as an accessory to murder (to what extent i'm not sure)

Its also easy to see Guede attempting in a panic, trying to make it look like a break in. Seems plausble, it actually seems obvious.

This is taken from another forum...

'1) We know there were two different knives used. A single person could do this, sure. But it's more likely there was at least 2 assailants.

2) Meredith's body was moved quite some time after the murder. Guede ran shortly after Meredith was killed (Time of Death vs witnesses placing Guede at a club shortly after). We know it was a long enough time after the death for the blood to pool and dry.

3) Meredith's body showed little signs of struggle - no DNA/skin under the nails, etc. This more easily fits a theory involving multiple assailants - 1-2 people to hold her while another person was stabbing/cutting.

4) The cleanup of the bloody footprints in the hallway/bathroom, plus the bloody footprint (about the size of AK's shoes) in Filomena's room indicate someone cleaned up part of the scene after Guede would already have fled. Besides the cleanup, the fact that the bloody footprint was too small to have been Guede's indicates someone else was more than likely involved.'

The police believe there was more than one person mainly due to the fact that Meridith did not put up a struggle, but what if she was wrapped tight in the quilt at the time of murder and could not mover her arms to try and defend herself. If this was the case, then one person could have killed her.

I accept that Don.

Of course he is a liar but so is Knox.

It just seems completely stupid and unlikely for one person to do it that way. And he had to lie about the one person or persons who couldn't then provide a solid alibi. The other boy and girl housemates all had cast iron alibi's.
Plus the mobiles, the telephone calls, the showering in the bloody bathroom. For Guede to luckily implicate someone who had no clear alibi who would then lie themselves into trouble plus everything else must be long, long odds.

I accept that Angel but where is the quilt? Would a murdered take the quilt so that when the police arrived they thought more than one person did it? Why? Where is the gain?
I hate to bring up the forensics but if she were wrapped in a quilt wouldn't forensics find threads etc?
Seems very implausible to me.

He takes her by surprise and thinks quickly enough to wrap her in a quilt the cut her throat three times and stab her 40 plus times. Goes into another room scatters the clothes, laptop etc on the floor, goes outside and puts a brick through the window. Then flees. Do you really think so?

Don

There was not two knives used in the murder. Another myth.

You cant tell me a 6ft Athletic man could not have killed her on his own.

She has a knife to her throat and is told not to move, while the rape goes ahead. Its called freezing due to shock.

Why did she shower in a bloodied bathroom?

Brigust, the shower was not bloodied to the naked eye

But Guede never mentioned Knox originally did he?  Only once he knew they were caught up in it and suspects, blaming them was his only hope

Brig im not sure what you mean.

Meredith was found under her Duvet

Very true Don

Guede obviously went with momentum. He found out Knox and Boyfriend were in the frame. So he tried to take advantage of it.

Joe she telephoned a housemate and told her that she had just had a shower and there was blood everywhere. Her, Amanda's words, not mine. Her housemate thought it was not normal for someone to go to the house, find the front door open, then have a shower in a bathroom with blood everywhere.
She then told the housemate that Meredith wasn't there, her bedroom door was locked, Meredith never locked her door, and she hoped Meredith was alright.
Court testimony.

What i don't understand is why their could not only be one person that could have done it. I think Knox has lied and was in the flat when it happened but dont think she was involved.

I don't support the view Angel I was just posting why they might have suspected more than 1 killer.  I suspect a lot of people's reaction in that situation would be to freeze up and act defenceless...beg for mercy than to try and overpower someone far bigger and stronger

Angel so you don't think he killed her through the duvet?

So he had sex with her, she was almost naked (whatever that means), she never put up any kind of a fight, scratching or anything? I can't see the logistics of that.

If you think Guede took advantage of the sollecito/Knox thing how could he? They weren't arrested straight away and Lumumba was in the frame for 2 weeks. If he was a chancer why didn't he implicate Lumumba?

Anfield

Same as you. 6ft athletic man could have done it on his own. It seems that Meredith did not fight back which suggests she was pinned down, suggesting to the Italian police there must have been more attackers.

If she was wrapped up in the quilt when her throat was cut, she would not have been able to move her arms. One big man could easily have done it.

I don't know what the police based their assumptions on that it was more than one person, but it only takes a second to slit someones throat.

Especially if that person is keeping very still for fear of their life with a knife held very close to it?? You can't assume that having seen a knife the instant reaction would be to flap your hands at it if you weren't sure it wasn't just designed to scare you.

Brig

Unfortunately many women are raped and do as they are told for fear of being killed.
She keeps quiet during the rape and then he wraps her up in the quilt and cuts her throat.
Panics, tries making it look like a break in.

Lumumba was arrested before Guede Brig.
When Guede was arrested he was still denying it, by then Lumumba provided his alibi.

But there wasn't blood everywhere, Brigust, very difficult confirm quotes such as "There was blood everywhere" media hear say or exageration are not impossible in these cases. FACT is there was not Blood everywhere, some minor, very minor blood on bathroom tap, barely visible. I believe she was there that night but dont believe she killed MK.

Even going by computer evidence, it shows RS opened a file on his laptop at 9:46, MKs death at 10-11pm. Thats a pretty tight call to get back to Knoxes house and murder MK.

I think truth is Guede is a known burgler with history of carrying knives. May have attempted break in thinking students were away and sadly came across MK, attacking and killing her.

I believe she was there that night but dont believe she killed MK.

I believe she MAY have been there, not for certain

So, which one of you is Sunset Cristo?  Don't make me apply Lacanian textual analysis.

Sounds fair.

Why kill her though. And basically mutilate her. He was only a petty criminal previously. Then go out of the room, lock the door, it was locked according to Knox go past Knox's room in to the next room scatter the clothes etc. Go outside smash a window then do a runner. If you were trying to make it look like a break-in why lock her door but leave the front door open? And if you were trying to delay anyone finding her why smash windows? Sure to attract attention immediately. Plus there was blood all over the bathroom.

I know it is possible and stranger things happen but coupled with all the other occurances you have to admit it is very odd.

He killed her because he raped her. Why does anyone kill. He was probably unstable for a long time and on a downward spiral mentally.

He locked the door to by himself some time..
He then decides to make it look like a break in..

He would not have planned the murder, hence he would have been in a mode of panic. He made some very bad decisions that night.

Knox, well she may be hiding something, but not involved at all for me.

Joe:


The housemate Filomena Romanelli, told the Perugia court where Knox, a 21-year-old American student, is on trial for the sexual abuse and murder of Kercher about the conversation yesterday.

“She told me, ‘It’s very odd. I’ve just come back to the house and the door is open. I had a shower but there’s blood everywhere . . . Meredith is nowhere to be seen. Oh God, maybe something’s happened to her, something tragic.’

Brigust

I do not see much odd with that conversation. Knox saying there was blood everywere does not literally there was blood everywhere.. more drops of blood than normal perhaps?

I agree it seems more plausible that Guede acted alone and that he could have made bad decisions.

In my summary I thought Guede and Knox did it. It is good see no-one here has thought to implicate Sollecito so maybe I'm right there. Who knows.

Of course there is loads of doubt and circumstantially you could very well be right Angel. We will never know sadly.

I'm sure though that this case is far from dead. There may be some strange turns ahead.

I'm off. Goodnight to you all.

Jeez you've changed your tune Diamond

Whatever conclusion you come to it will still seem somewhat odd, but one of them happened...

Back briefly. You may be right Angel. Just sound odd to me and to her housemate.

I never watch spooky movies like Wrong Turn, Dead Calm etc. My wife will tell you the scariest film I have watched if Castaway.

Not that well veresed in crimefighting.


GN.

Brigust how about this one...

Rudy Guede tells Amanda Knox that" i really want you ".

Amanda Knox " What are you willing to do for me? "

Rudy Guede " What do you want me to do?"

Amanda Knox " Kill Meredith, she is doing my head in, she will be home alone tomorrow... "

Go to bed.

Come on Angel, think you're going a bit far with some of this now

It seems possible Knox and Sollecito felt they could be implicated in some way or were they complicit in the murder in some way without actually committing the act?

Could they also have been threatened into silence by Guedo? Possibly physically threatened but potentially threats of implication in the murder.

It's not impossible the consequences of implication or physical threats were enough to make them panic and not be forthcoming as to what actually happened.

I agree it's hard to explain some of the behaviour of Knox and Solecitto post the murder otherwise.

Hard to understand why they keep saying they are looking for someone else. How many murders have been rape then a killing. Alot of rapists will kill because they victim has seen them. If he has a knife the victim is scared so does not fight back due to fear. He probably raped her then killed her. No fight back could be due to saying i let you live if you do this/that etc. I think knox was in the flat. She knows more that she lets on but had no part in the killing.

47 wounds by two knives ? fact not my words, Merediths father.

Easily solved lie detector test.

No they/Oprah will not ask her, but there is a growing desire in the UK press to seek justice for Meredith.

Just do it to prove your innocence.

No chance, ask Hilary Clinton[;)][;)][;)][;)]

One knife two knifes still could be one person. This theory it could not have been one person is crazy. How many rapes/murders are done by one person. Also once the attacker has a weapon the victim may not fight back due to fear. Many cases where the attacker just raped the victim and let them live. So it could easily have been one person who promised to let them live and then just killed her. Knox i think was in the flat and had some involvement but didnt kill her.

Is it possible Guedo went over to bring the couple to the murder scene after the murder, under duress, to help him try and cover his tracks and to put them in the frame as well as (or instead of!) himself?

Perhaps Guedo threatened Knox with the knife and that's how she got the cut under her chin, as seen by her other flat mate.

Knox would go on to implicate Lumumba through fear of reprisal from Guedo.

Imaginations running wild on here in the early hours of the morning..

I have come to the conclusion that Guede acted alone. By his adopted family`s admission he has always been trouble and a compulsive liar.

He implicated the pair and they where easily manipulated under stern police questioning.

Think it was a wild game that went out of control and ended with one man killing Meredith.

Knox is a horrible liar though and she has actively prevented the truth being found.

4 years inside seems about right for her.

A_T

How could Knox have been involved in `a wild game` when none of her DNA or prints were found at the scene

By not leaving any DNA or prints at the scene? Or by ensuring they were removed subsequently?

Forensic scientist was discussing this case (forget his name) - he said because of telly people assume there will always be forensics such as DNA present at crime scenes and that often this simply isn't the case.

Morning Angel. The reason no DNA and prits were found at the scene were either:

a) there were none there.
   Considering she was a friend of Meredith and stayed in the very next room seems inconcievable. Unless Meredith was a very good cleaner.

b) Police ineptitude.
   The Defense played heaily on this and wre, in the end, successful in discrediting the DNA evidence. You therefore cannot just rubbish the good, found, evidence. 

c) Any DNA was lost in the blood from Meredith.

d) She was never in the room.
   The appeal court reached this conclusion.

e) The killers were meticulous and thorough in their tidy up.
   Also inconcievable but not improbable. There is enough information out there to assist criminals avoid detection.

My 'guess' is, at risk of being accused of misoginy again, b+c.

"I agree it's hard to explain some of the behaviour of Knox and Solecitto....."

I read in the paper yesterday that Know wants to see Sollecito again.
Can't help being cynical here, need to get their story straight (?)

I was thinking about the break-in last night, a forced one would go along with Guede as the sole killer.  If he did break in and was looking for money etc it's unlikely he's going to end up raping and killing Kercher...he would have just done a runner at the sight of her or threatened her at most. 

Perhaps he came looking for Knox/Kercher that night, being friendly (considering they knew him) Kercher invited him in and then he tried it on...got rejected and then raped and killed her.  Then he forged a break in to make it appear if it was a randomer and not someone linked to Kercher

Morning Brigust

As i have said before Knox and Meredith were not close friends, just house mates who tried to get along.
Bedrooms are often private no go areas in shared houses. No reason for Knox to have ever been invited into Merediths bedroom. Hence why there was no dna.

Guedes dna and prints all over the scene,but none from Knox. So i cant have dna evidence was lost in the blood from the victim.

Don

Thats that version is in my top 2.

DNA tests show that Mr Guede, whose fingerprint was found in bloodstains on Ms Kercher's pillow, had sex with Ms Kercher the night she died, according to investigators. He has never denied this, but maintains they had agreed to have sex.

Facts do get misrepresented by the telling.

Ms Knox has given conflicting statements, at first saying she was not at the cottage the night of the murder. She later admitted to prosecutors that she was present and had to cover her ears to muffle Ms Kercher's screams, but later still reverted to her first version.

According to prosecutors, Ms Knox's blood was found on a bathroom tap at the cottage, placing her there on the night of the killing or the morning after. A bloody footprint near Ms Kercher's body was matched to Mr Sollecito's trainers, placing him at the crime scene as well.

Defence lawyers however maintain Mr Sollecito’s shoes do not match the footprint, and that there is no definitive or reliable evidence linking a kitchen knife found in Mr Sollecito's flat with both Ms Knox's and Ms Kercher's DNA on it to Ms Kercher's wounds.

I wrote 'facts get misrepresented by the telling' it should have been at the top. This article was from The Times.

I'm still trying to figure out how Knox comes into it as I think she was in the house/aware of what happened even though she didn't kill her.  She felt guilty somehow, perhaps she rejected his advances and palmed him off to Kercher?

But would he rape/kill if he knew Knox in the kitchen?  Perhaps he threatened her to keep quiet?

Knox had to keep the lie going about not being in the cottage that night, her defence would have told her that this was her get out of jail card. [;)] so to speak.

Obviously reverted back to the truth, but was then advised that it would be damming to her case if she had been in the house and had not admitted to it from the start of the case.

She was stuck between a rock and a hard place. The lie had to continue.

The judge who freed her will write a report in next 90 days on why he and the jury
came to their decision.  The prosecutors can then decide on what grounds
they could launch a third and final appeal. If it's reopened this case will move to Florence.

If this case is heard again they will have to decide who was right,
the first court or the appeal court.  Complete shambles and blunders all the way. And now Knox stands to make a fortune out of this ! Call that justice ? !!!!!

If it goes to appeal the court will hear ALL of the evidence unlike the appeal where the court only heard the weakest of the evidence instead of all of it.

^ and if it is reopened Knox will not be obliged to attend,
even though Italy could ask for her extradition, but unlikely America would hand her over.

So maybe Knox will not be making any travel plans outside the US !

Whichever way you look at it it is a travesty of justice. The Italian justice system, quite rightly, should hang their collective heads in shame.

If they are innocent (Knox and Sollecito) it is a travesty of justice.

If they are guilty it is also a travesty of justice.

On a lighter note some wrote both O J Simpson and Amanda Knox were born on the same day and cleared on the same day. Anyone thinking there is too much cicumstantial evidence in this case, how circumstantial is that and it is right?

Doesn't matter if she wont attend.

It would be the right thing to go ahead in her absence, if they could ?

If there is any retrial and it does go to a third and final appeal,
essentially the high court would have to decide which application of the law was right,
the first court or the appeal court. 

As Meredith's family have said, "How could a decision that was so certain years ago
be overturned.  How could they ignore all the evidence ?"

everyone keeps on about how they want to **** knox etc etc, but meredith was different league, she was gorgeous, maybe foxy was very jealous  of her, actually merediths sister is fabulous as well

Tell Dell the appeal was only looking at the weakest evidence in this case. It didn't take the other evidence into consideration. That is why the appeal system is considered so weak in Italy.

If the go to another trial all of the evidence will be on the table.

No matter what the outcome the Italian justice system has come out of this very badly. And the lack of comment from this government about a British citizen exposes them for what they are.

So everyone is convinced that Knox was there that night because of a statement made by a young girl in a foreign country under extreme pressure whilst in a confused state, under interrogation, with proper procedures not being followed and which she has since retracted?

Plus zero evidence putting her at the scene that night?

(apologies if I havent got the above details right, am still playing cactch up with this story)

Itcantbedone

You have it.

You have it Itcantbedone. Savage knife murder ,no DNA, no winesses = not guilty. WRONG.

On 30 June 2003, 14-year-old Jones was murdered near her home at Easthouses, Scotland. Her naked body was found six hours later hidden behind a high wall in a wooded area bordering Roan's **** footpath, a well-known local short cut running between Easthouses and Newbattle. She had been subjected to what prosecutors would later describe in court as a "savage knife attack.

FORENSIC scientists found no DNA to link the murder of the schoolgirl Jodi Jones with her boyfriend Luke Mitchell, the High Court in Edinburgh was told yesterday.

Mitchell was initially questioned as a witness but was eventually arrested and charged with the crime some 10 months later following months of media speculation,[3] including the repeated claim that the then 15-year-old was the "only" or "prime" suspect. At his trial at the High Court of Justiciary in Edinburgh he pleaded not guilty and lodged a special defence of alibi,[4] claiming that he was at home cooking dinner at the time of the murder. During the 42-day trial which followed the jury heard evidence from both Mitchell's mother and his brother Shane, as well as visiting the crime scene. The evidence of Shane Mitchell was crucial to the conviction; he stated that at the time of the murder, he had been at the family home, viewing internet pornography. He agreed that this was not an activity he would have engaged in if he thought anyone else was in the house and confirmed that he had not seen his brother that afternoon. In doing so he failed to corroborate Mitchell's alibi.[

On 21 January 2005, the jury found him guilty after five hours of deliberation. Mitchell, aged sixteen at the time of his conviction, was condemned as being "truly wicked" by Judge Lord Nimmo Smith. He was also found guilty of a separate charge of supplying cannabis.

Mitchell's sentencing took place on 11 February 2005. Nimmo Smith told Mitchell that he would spend a minimum of 20 years in prison before being considered for parole.

Brigust,

Presumably in the above case there was no alternative suspect, i.e. a convicted criminal with fingerprints and DNA all over the scene?

Otherwise, great analogy

I think Brigust is trying to illustrate that murders have taken place with no dna evidence left behind. Which means Knox possibly could still be involved.

I would like to see the stats regarding dna not being found at a murder scene.

Who was it who said ' there are lies, damned lies and statistics'?

Mark Twain and many many politicians [;)]

Yet if you could bolster your argument with stats regarding dna at the scene of murders i may think differently.

I would like to see the stats regarding dna not being found at a murder scene.

As I said earlier a forensic scientist commentating on the case said that people watch too much CSI and think there will always be DNA and conclusive forensics but the reality is often there is nothing useful.

Well if that is the case A_T i am willing to bend.
With Knox and RS both turning their phones off, shows how worried they were about something.

With Knox and RS both turning their phones off, shows how worried they were about something.

No it doesnt I switch off my phone at night sometimes. I can imagine if the two were being "Close" ( ), they may turn off their phones not to be disturbed

Why turn it off? People put there phone's on silent. They don't turn them off.

Diomond

Historically it was very unusual for either of them to turn their phones off ( this was checked by police ). And both together on the same night.

Turning phones off is a non issue and shows the italian prosecution was desperate to fit the facts around the mythical story they came up with. People DO turn off phones. I do, am I going to get fitted for some murder because of it?

It was completely out of character for them to do so, but saying that, my phone is often dead as i forget to charge it.

It was completely out of character for them to do so, but saying that, my phone is often dead as i forget to charge it.

Joe, they are looking at 'all' the evidence. The police would not be doning thier job if they din't. Had absoutely e f f all to do with desperation. If they turned their 'phones off when they normally wouldn't have then the qestion to be asked is 'why?'. Simple.

You cannot pick on one piece of evidence alone you have to look at everything in the round.

And that is from someone who is not the greatest fan of the Italian police. Had they done their job properly in the first place any innocence or guilt would be clear cut.