Anyone willing to defend the Mccanns.....

A_T


If they killed their own daughter why are they going to the end of the Earth to find her?

If it weren't for the parents themselves this whole thing would have been forgotten about ages ago and the only time you'd hear about it would be at the anniversary.

Thanks to the parents we are constantly hearing about it. They are still going to the end of the Earth to find her and are utilising every possible resource to help them.

Yet you want us to believe they killed her? So why are they behaving like this? Presumably they killed her for a reason. If so, you'd keep quiet. If it was a mistake and you covered it up (read - covered up) then the last thing you do after a cover up is bring unrelenting attention to yourself and the case.

Get-a-grip. There is a time and a place for cover up conspiracy theories. This is just embarrassing.

Strangely enough it was seemingly this that first aroused police suspicions:

Mr Paiva said detectives became suspicious of the McCanns the moment they disobeyed police advice to keep quiet while they investigated. Instead the couple turned the case into a media circus.

He said they claimed they had to do everything. “From the minute they shunned our advice we suspected them,” he said.

http://goo.gl/3VF3e

They're guilty when they keep quiet.
They're guilty when they speak up.

I'd rather trust my instincts and prejudices than evidence.
I'd rather trust a Birmingham driving instructor who was in erm, Birmingham than the  evidence of people in Praia de Luz.

There's no evidence of an abduction. There's no evidence that the parents did it. But the parents did it.

It's not a conspiracy theory.
It's just a theory that the McCanns and their friends conspired.

In the word of Rocket to the FACE:
Get A Grip. Embarrassing now.

So many strawmen there Pandorica its hard to know where to start.

McCann family reverse story over break-in 'evidence'

THE spokesman for the family of Madeleine McCann has reversed a statement made in the early days of the search for the missing child.

Speaking to RTE's 'Prime Time', Clarence Mitchell said she could "easily" have been kidnapped by an abductor who did not leave the trail of a break-in.

However, in the early part of the hunt, friends and family members told journalists that the shutter on the apartment where the McCanns were staying had been broken.

Mr Mitchell made his comments when questioned by a 'Prime Time' team in a report on the disappearance to be screened tomorrow. "There was no evidence of a break-in," said Mr Mitchell.

http://goo.gl/g5wij

Exactly who is it on here who is saying the McCanns killed her?
Plenty of people have expressed quite reasonable doubts about the McCanns' version of events and found their behaviour strange to say the least but I'm not sure that many posters have actually said that therefore they were guilty.

Don't be ridiclous bix. Read the Op's posts and thee's only one inference to take. A_T describes the parents as thoroughly dodgy. Since our only experience of the McCanns is the disappearance of their daughter then that means he's saying they are dodgy re that disappearance. Short of saying outright that they did it and having the thread pulled or Betfair facing legal action for keeping it open, how else can it be expressed?

At this point Sunset C, it's over to you.
Rocket is quite right. This has become an embarrassing show of bias, prejudice and downright stupidity. We are now going in circles answering the same points that were answered 100-200 posts ago.
Same old, same old.
No evidence.
No understanding of conditional probability.
Cognitive dissonance.
Wrap them together = just another conspiracy theory for people to air ridiculous and unfair rumour.
Good luck with them SC.

A_T rather than posting links to other sites as an answer why don't you answer my post in your own words with your own beliefs?

Please post me some evidence that these people are innocent....ANYONE?

I know guilt got to be proved.
Anyone got anything in defence?
Other than it's just like a 9/11 conspiracy?

What's the count so far then ?

willing to defend ?

fack 'em ?

Mcginty
04 Jun 11 00:06
Please post me some evidence that these people are innocent....ANYONE?


As McGinty says...they weren't convicted.

If that isn't evidence enough then I'm afraid the onus is on you to prove otherwise.

And as we have established, posting random clips from random articles isn't proof.

Like I said, this is embarrassing. Embarrassing for the people still claiming they killed their daughter.

The case is "Shelved"

Awaiting further evidence.

Mccanns are not cleared of any crime.

Again...anyone got evidence to prove innocence?

Again, the onus is on you to prove guilt.

Can you?

AGAIN

I know guilt has got to be proved.
Anyone got anything in defence?
Other than it's just like a 9/11 conspiracy?

has anyone come up with a rational explanation for the dogs smelling cadaver in the apartment and the hire car?

[b]has anyone come up with a rational explanation for the dogs smelling cadaver in the apartment and the hire car?[/b

..and blood.

jimmyconway7 says - "Has anyone come up with a rational explanation for the dogs smelling cadaver in the apartment and the hire car?"

don't forget the other dog smelling blood.

Mcginty
04 Jun 11 01:03
AGAIN

I know guilt has got to be proved.
Anyone got anything in defence?
Other than it's just like a 9/11 conspiracy?


Ok if we have to do this utter sh*te how about we start with the post I made earlier?


For what it's worth in a court of law it's up to you to prove guilt rather than us to prove innocence.

So go for it. This is your chance. You could make world wide news if you really know what happened.

Over to you.

If you could answer that with facts, no links to two-bit websites, no conspiracy theories, then we may be on to something.

See my post on the last page.

has anyone come up with a rational explanation for the dogs smelling cadaver in the apartment and the hire car?

Also in the apartment the McCanns rented afterwards

In the "Vista do Mar" villa, the house that was rented by the McCanns after leaving the Ocean's Club, the dog "marked" the area of a wardrobe that contained inside the soft toy that belonged to Madeleine McCann (cf. page 2099 and/or annex 88);

The Sunday Times:
includes article about one of the dogs.

On scent of success: sniffer dog Keela earns more than her Chief Constable

HER detective work is unsurpassed, her dedication to duty during some of Britain’s most challenging murder cases unfailing.

Keela, a 16-month-old springer spaniel, has become such an asset to South Yorkshire Police that she now earns more than the chief constable.

Her sense of smell, so keen that she can sniff traces of blood on weapons that have been scrubbed after attacks, has her so much in demand by forces

up and down the country that she is hired out at £530 a day, plus expenses. Thought to be the only one of her kind, the crime scenes dog earns nearly

£200,000 a year. Her daily rate, ten times that of ordinary police dogs, puts her on more than the chief constable, Meredydd Hughes, who picks up £129,963..........

When faced with a “clean” crime scene, Mr Ellis and PC Martin Grimes, Keela’s other handler, will first send in Frankie, a border collie, and Eddie,

another springer spaniel, to pick up any general scent. Then they wheel in the big gun.

“We take Keela in and she will find the minutest traces of blood,” Mr Ellis said. “It’s not like looking for a needle in a haystack any more. The

other two dogs will find the haystack and Keela will find the needle.”

While the other dogs bark, Keela has been trained to freeze and pinpoint the area with her nose.



I will try to post link (but some people complain my links are no use)


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article783458.ece

Firstly the dogs are not 100% effective.

Secondly they can detect anything that happens to be decomposing. This includes hair. Finger nails. Blood.


All three could have come from Madeleine and found its way into the apartment and the car in a totally inoccent fashion.

But you'd rather believe that the logical thing to assume is that her parents murdered her (when and without anybody seeing I don't know), transfered her body into the car (when and without anybody seeing I don't know) and then drove around with the body in the car and dumped (when and without anybody seeing I don't know).

Rocket to the face says

Firstly the dogs are not 100% effective.Secondly they can detect anything that happens to be decomposing. This includes hair. Finger nails. Blood.



Thought to be the only one of her kind, the crime scenes dog earns nearly £200,000 a year......


“She is used at scenes where someone has tried to clean it up. If blood has seeped into the tiles behind a bath where a body has been, she can find it.”.........

Then they wheel in the big gun.....

“It’s not like looking for a needle in a haystack any more. The other two dogs will find the haystack and Keela will find the needle.”

Sorry what are you laughing at?

Did you read the article?

..........It has proved so successful that the FBI has inquired about it. “The FBI is very interested in how we work because they don’t have this sort of facility in-house and they are looking at setting up their own unit".

I read what you copy and pasted. It's getting a bit boring reading all these copy and pastes especially as none of them contain any proof at all.

So what were you laughing at?

I said they aren't 100% effective and they aren't.

The FBI using them doesn't change this.

These must be the most unreliable dogs ever...

Unbelievably useless pair of overpaid hounds.

They didn't find anything anywhere else

...other apartments, other clothes, other cars,

which in these tests they are given the oppotunity to..



I won't copy and paste as this seems not the done thing anymore

Mcginty
Keela, a 16-month-old springer spaniel, ..........up and down the country that she is hired out at £530 a day, plus expenses.


For fcuck sake, now we've even got 16-month-old springers taking the p1ss out of the police now.

Plus expenses?

Does she get a coffee at the service station on the way down?


Mcginty do you actually have anything at all to point towards the parents murdering their own daughter? We've discounted your sniffer dog idea. What else?

Rocket to the face says For fcuck sake, now we've even got 16-month-old springers taking the p1ss out of the police now.

Exactly how are they? 

Rocket to the face says We've discounted your sniffer dog idea. What else?

Exactly how have you?

Roket to the face says Mcginty do you actually have anything at all to point towards the parents murdering their own daughter?



FFS!

Again and again and again...

No-one has said the parents murdered their daughter.

Mcginty
04 Jun 11 10:33
Rocket to the face says For fcuck sake, now we've even got 16-month-old springers taking the p1ss out of the police now.


I said nothing of the sort. That quote isn't from me.

So you don't believe the parents killed their daughter?


But you believe their car was used by the killer?

Mcginty
will first send in Frankie, a border collie, and Eddie, another springer spaniel, to pick up any general scent.

Blimey Keelas so great it even need two more dogs to point in the general direction.

Talking of pointing, maybe you could highlight some of the major cases this dog was instrumental in solving.

How is the count going so far ?

As Gerry Mccannn famously says in interview

with portuguese reporter Sandra Felgueiras.

"Ask the dogs"

..followed by a smirk.

instead of saying ...Oh dear, this is a very worrying thought, that madeleine's blood may be in the apartment

That's right, ignore all the evidence against you and come out with another useless quote.

Is that not a reasonable assumption?

That they would be concerned about traces of blood?

I would be very concerned.

But then again I care for my my kids.

You're still ignoring all the points I've made against you.


Go back to the top of this page and answer them.

Rocket to the Face says
So you don't believe the parents killed their daughter?
But you believe their car was used by the killer?

What does it matter what I believe?

What matters is what the experts believe.

Expert Detectives say there is no evidence of abduction.

Expert dogs used for finding odour of blood and cadaver traces,

indicate a death.

What evidence is their of an abduction?

Only the Mccanns say abduction

It's the old addage

If you shout it loud enough, people will believe you

hence--THE BOOK

Madeleine's parents: 'British police are bugging our phone calls and emails'

Although the couple have been back home in Rothley, Leicestershire, for 12 days, they fear the practice is continuing. A source close to the family said:

"The assumption is that it is taking place. Everyone involved is very careful, particularly with their mobile phone calls and what they say.

"There was an assumption from the early days that their mobile communications were unsafe and could be listened to.

"They believed it in Portugal and they believe that is still happening now that they are back home.

"Gerry will often refuse to talk on a mobile phone - he prefers to use landlines as he considers that they are safer. They feel they are being watched at all times."

http://goo.gl/9spZo

http://goncaloamaraltruthofthelie.blogspot.com/2009/06/chapter-9.html

''They are having a drink and chatting when K.G. witnesses a scene which flabbergasts her and makes her fear for the safety of her daughter and the other children. She is sitting between Gerry McCann and David Payne when she hears the latter ask if she - probably Madeleine - did "that": he then puts a finger in his mouth and begins sucking it while putting it in and out - the sexual connotation is obvious - while with the other hand, he traces small small circles around his nipple in an explicitly provocative way. While K.G., stupefied, regards Gerry and David, an uneasy silences settles around the table. Then they all start chatting again as if nothing happened.''

Sound a lovely bunch.

What's the score so far ?

Perhaps (and it is perhaps and I'm not implying that anyone is guilty) the scene which KG witnessed is a clue to the missing piece of the jigsaw.

David Payne visited Kate and the children whilst Gerry played tennis earlier that evening.

The last person to see the children apart from parents before bedtime.

Also conflicting witness statements as to how long he was there.

Wikileaks: "US embassy cables: British police 'developed evidence' against McCanns, Washington told"


http://goo.gl/bXbTd

Typical example of hoew badly the British press have reported this case over the years.

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2011/06/mccann-case-complaint-against-biased.html

mr winkle Joined:  29 Feb 02 


How is the count going so far ?

100% dont knows.

What I don't understand is why are the McCanns so keen to keep this in the public domain.
My view is that the child wasn't abducted,and there has been assistance from higher authorities in "managing" this incident.Given that after 4 years it's apparent that
the incident has been dealt with,and the truth will never come out,why keep it in the publics mind?
Surely it's better for them to just go quietly away and get on with their lives.

Gene.....if you lost your daughter,would you go " quietly " away?

Doubt anyone would...........but then some could be hiding behind a smoke screen its been know before,could the McCanns be doing just this?I'd love to know what they said to the Pope when they met him,as within the Catholic religion anything 'confessed'to him or any priest for that matter would NEVER be repeated in ANY circumstance however serious.Perhaps meeting him eased their tormented turmoil,we will never know for sure but sometimes very clever people can become a bit to clever for their own good.

Rodney
If I thought my daughter had been abducted and was still alive,no I wouldn't.
But I don't think that MM was abducted and I don't think the McCanns think that either.

Maybe,just Maybe they had the whole thing planned months in advance,there are some very Clever, Evil people out there and i wouldnt rule anything out

That makes as much sense as anything else about the case.

I disagree with you there, bix,.. Exquisite could be right in thinking along those lines.

The Fund's three objectives:

1) To secure the safe return to her family of Madeleine McCann who was abducted in Praia da Luz, Portugal on Thursday 3rd May 2007;
2) To procure that Madeleine's abduction is thoroughly investigated and that her abductors, as well as those who played or play any part in assisting them, are identified and brought to justice; and
3) To provide support, including financial assistance, to Madeleine's family.


Parts 1 and 2 seem deeply flawed - there is no evidence that she was abducted - the official report certainly reaches no such conclusion. Anything could have happened - she could have wandered out and had an accident - maybe hit by a driver who'd been drinking who covered up his guilt. But the McCanns won't hear of this - she was abducted, abducted, abducted - nothing else will do.

Part 3 speaks for itself.

God help them if she was abducted - God forgive them if she wasn`t

The Fund's three objectives:

1) To secure the safe return to her family of Madeleine McCann who was abducted in Praia da Luz, Portugal on Thursday 3rd May 2007;
2) To procure that Madeleine's abduction is thoroughly investigated and that her abductors, as well as those who played or play any part in assisting them, are identified and brought to justice; and3) To provide support, including financial assistance, to Madeleine's family

Why is "abductors" plural and why does it go on to refer to other persons assisting the abductors?

If your child is missing the most likely explanation and scenario is the child has been taken by a single person, probably male acting alone and not by more than one person and possibly acting in cahoots with others.

Also (and dont ask for sources, this is just something I seem to remember,) weren't Kate's first words on finding her daughter missing " they've taken her"?
Again in the plural.
Note the above is not meant to imply guilt. It is merely an observation.

Perhaps this is one of those cases where the police and probably the McCanns know something which has not been made available to the public. But if that is so the police would not be very happy with the McCanns for dropping so many obvious hints.

Alot more to this than a faked child abduction.

IMHO.

A couple protected by the British Government?

...the Press?...the Media?

(e.g. Lorraine (Thick as Sh@*e) Kelly!)

I think you would only refer to more than one abductor if you knew that to be the case.
They give an option when referring to the "helpers", again in the plural,
"as those who played or play any part in assisting them"
so why dont they say "the abductor or abductors"?
The funds objectives were not produced in the heat of the moment or by one party but some time after the "abduction" giving time for those involved to think out exactly what was being said.

Regarding government involvement: It's worth reading up on the Dunblane shootings in 1996.Considering it was arguably the biggest atrocity ever committed by an individual in this country,it's amazing how the name of Thomas Hamilton doesn't get mentioned all that much when people discuss the "monsters" that we've had in Britain.The aftermath of that mass murder seems to have been "managed" very well
by the interested parties.
Something very dodgy was going in that case,and I suspect something similar in this case.

To be fair, if Gene's better half makes a brew, he suspects government involvement.

waterboarding tactics?

®√

I have been reading everyones comments for years on here and was living in spain at the time of the event. I can't believe there has been no one come forward with any info on this case after all the years of publicity. Someone always knows something which makes me think the people who know something are the parents. It may have been an accidental death and they covered it up. I personally think they overdrugged her to sleep and had a panic when she was found dead.  They covered it up and have been covering it up ever since.

Just my thoughts.

One of them will crack in time...however it might take 20 years!

_+1 kangamick

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Reports she was found in india,WALOFS

The only thing anybody knows for certain is they were guilty of improper parenting.

The rest is hugely subjective, contradictory & not to mention libellous given some of the comments on here. How anybody can be so adamant 'they did it' and are not part of the crime team, family or in any way connected with the case beggars belief.

As for police sniffer dogs - years ago on trip to Homelands Dance Festival my mates gf had a few pills in her bag & the police were doing random drug searches with sniffer dogs. The dog completely missed the drugs but was very intent on helping himself to their ham & cheese sandwiches in the bag!!

I would not like to be in the dock agaisnt some of you folks as you are judge, jury & executioner!! Not sure why police bother with investigations. Pop the question on chit chat & hey presto every case solved with 100% absolute certainty!!

I would not like to be in the dock agaisnt some of you folks as you are judge, jury & executioner!! Not sure why police bother with investigations. Pop the question on chit chat & hey presto every case solved with 100% absolute certainty!!

This lot had the landlord, the brother, the boyfriend, the father in law, the dog walker, the paper boy, the man in the garage and old uncle Tom Cobbley and all in a case last year. 

One of them was right.

are we trying to get a watertight prosecution here? i guess since this is a sporting website we might have to accept a lower level of proof? not sure why conspiracy theory gets such a bad wrap - isnt the mccanns version just a different conspiracy theory?

yes fibonacci it's only a conspiracy theory when it runs contrary to the official version - such as the grassy knoll or faked moon landings. As it happens the McCanns were the subject of the police investigation for many months until they gave up and shelved the case. The conclusion was they didn't know what had happened to Maddie - they certainly didn't agree with the McCann version.

How many are defending the McCanns ?

has the OP kept count ?

ttt

As things stand, no one person can have all of the answers. Not even the Mcanns.
Personally, disregarding all the finger-pointing and shouts of 'Bad Parenting', I am of the opinion that the parents did not harm their child.

Director seat tickets at wembley,they really are living the life

Haven't they suffered enough!!...

Very good Ylime.

they're helping Dalglish, it seems Suarez has gone missing in this game

Inspector Distin has found him alive and well

i reckon they will be arrested as soon as the police grow a few brain cells between them.

ttt

whats happened now please ?

Absolutely nothing. It makes one wonder why the Cheltenham chap would revive an old thread with no apparent reason. Care to enlighten us Mr Roar?

Strange thing isthat he only joined 2 months AFTER the last post and yet he he brings back a thread that he can't possibly be part of and doesn't give a reason apart from ttt.

incredible scenes.....

thought the quote

Maddie"where were u last night when we were crying"

slam dunk against them

^ you would think after that when Maddie asked them where they were when they were crying, they would have stayed with them the next night and not gone out again.

if that other sighting and timeline is correct, then Kate McCann must have been very close to getting back just when she was taken.

agree that quote from Maddie slam dunk against them.

Blame everyone else bar themselves whilst out,didnt even pay for baby sitter from resort when offered?

there will be some very angry and bitter people on here if and when the culprit is brought to justice

Oprah Winfrey will be happy though...could be another Lance Armstrong.