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its the tazer fire that gets me.

Dead or alive i dont get the need................

I have a feeling that the cops made a mistake.

MissPoker, I rather proof rather than inuendo. He was jailed once for low level assault of a youngster.

The girls grandmother said she would come round and stay in her (grandmothers) house to get away from moat after he beat her (more than once).
He was no angel

Did the Grandmother report this to the Police? and don't get me wrong, i have no doubt he was no Angel, but what strikes me is the inuendo regarding him abusing her. He has never been arrested or charged for domestic abuse.

Utter bilge from the paper media......


Let me give you one example for everyone..


The Telegraph Report from The Girlfriends Grandmother where in it she is claimed to have said Moat was abusive and "Split her head open"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/
uknews/crime/
7871393/
Raoul-Moats-history-of-violence.html


Interesting and obviously promotes Facts and MissPokers stance, except hold on.........This is a link to an interview of same Grandmother who claims Moat was as nice as pie when he visited and even brought her shopping and said it was the Girlfriend alone who claimed he hit her, yet never intervened.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/
hi/uk_news/
10585442.stm

Well I thought of it was 2 things happened.

1, Cops try to end "siege/hostage" situation by suprising Moat, using the tazers and aprehend him. Its dark its easy to get behind him etc.
Doing this is surely going to kill him as muscle contraction and holding a gun to your head/neck can only result in one outcome and the cops obv know this.

2, Moat says ok im gonna kill myself or makes it look like he is gonna kill himself, cops try to taser him to stop him but can do nothing.

I think 2 happened tbh.

Interesting and obviously promotes Facts and MissPokers stance, except hold on.........This is a link to an interview of same Grandmother who claims Moat was as nice as pie when he visited and even brought her shopping and said it was the Girlfriend alone who claimed he hit her, yet never intervened.

What did you expect the grandmother to do?

I agree MissPoker.
Once he pulls a trigger in the dark, its incredibly dificult for anyone to know who the shot is aimed at and 1st aim is to disable him.

if johnny cash was alive he would write a song about moaty

He has one about the cops,

A boy named Sue

I hurt myself today
to see if I still feel
I focus on the pain
the only thing that's real
the needle tears a hole
the old familiar sting
try to kill it all away
but I remember everything
what have I become?
my sweetest friend
everyone I know
goes away in the end
and you could have it all
my empire of dirt

I will let you down
I will make you hurt

I wear this crown of thorns
upon my liar's chair
full of broken thoughts
I cannot repair
beneath the stains of time
the feelings disappear
you are someone else
I am still right here

what have I become?
my sweetest friend
everyone I know
goes away in the end
and you could have it all
my empire of dirt

I will let you down
I will make you hurt

if I could start again
a million miles away
I would keep myself
I would find a way

I've got those rothbury river blues
gazza and me just talking
lager and ciggies as we choose
but I'm a dead man walking

All still sounds very odd. Why Tazer a man who has blown his head off. And if that is not the case, why not shoot him??

Plod have a lot to answer for here.

By Rory Reynolds
WHILE the actions and threats of Raoul Moat shocked those watching the stand-off unfolding live on television, to many online communities he was a "Geordie Rambo" and "Angel of Vengeance".
The former bouncer, who shot three people, including his ex-girlfriend and a policeman, has become a macabre anti-hero on many UK social networking sites and online forums.

Hundreds of Facebook visitors posted messages of support during the week-long
search for the steroid abuser.

When the 37-year-old took his own life in the early hours of yesterday, the postings turned to condemnation of the police. On one Facebook fan club, whose membership rapidly rose to 8,600 last night, a British woman in her 20s, posted: "RIP Raoul what a true legend, took a lot of b*lls to do what u did, hope your in peace now and fair play to you for everything"

Another group, which 100 people have joined, sympathised with the killer and the circumstances he put himself in, saying, "Moat is a true British hero, he done what he thought was right by getting revenge on his cheating ex-girlfriend. Join this group to support him."

Others claimed police had "murdered" the 17-stone bodybuilder, released from prison the day before he shot dead his former partner's new boyfriend.

One member, calling himself "RIP Raoul Moat" and pictured apparently holding his toddler daughter, said: "RIP Raoul… murdered by police... the truth will soon be made public."

Another posting said: "Murdering pigs, using a Taser on a bloke with a gun to his head and finger on the trigger."

Several members appeared to suggest Moat was a victim of an unjust criminal system, with one saying, "he is only interested in revenge to make up for years of mental torture by the piggy policemen," while another suggested Moat was an underdog, hunted down by hundreds of armed officers. "Wot a bunch of cowards the police are. 100s and 100s of them wiv assault rifles and armoured vehicles running scared of one man with a shotgun," it said.

One recently retired senior policeman accepted that it did not look good when hundreds of officers in armoured vehicles surrounded an individual with a shotgun.

Many on the social networking site have also taken to placing Moat's name in front of theirs as a show of support.

But David Wilson, a Scot and professor of criminology at Birmingham City University, said that online support for Moat reflected an anti-authority stance.

He said that domestic abuser Moat "has been trying to construct an image of Robin Hood or Rambo rather than being a paranoid narcissist with a gun."

Can you imagine if he'd read this forum, this piece would be about 10 pages long

*You're

what?

HE got killed of by the cops, gonna be covered up for a while

That poilcewoman zombie person things zit on her chin has got bigger.

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If you take a look at those on here who are holding up Moat as some sort of hero and claiming they all know that he was murdered by the police whilst he he giving himself up peacefully, they are all pretty much individuals whose previous postings, regardless of this subject, mark them out to be, well, a bit thick.

The correlation is ridiculously strong.

Forum versions of Gazza.

Also, it is a fact that it is a default position of the thickest elements of society to have it bred into them by the thickos that raise them that they must 'hate the police.' Don't get me wrong, some people have good reason to be suspcious of the police but most who spout on about it do so because it is the mantra of idiots or because scumbags that they know have been banged up

plus, liveforever, the steroids and drugs make them worse.

he was basically the kind of scum you see every weekend and despise, every weekend.

the kind of guy who, if you bumped into him and spilled his pint and said sorry mate i'll get you another would probably batter you. or if you looked at him the 'wrong way' would smash you up.

people think he's cool because he was on the run for a week

which shows what kind of middle class sheltered lives the posters live.

i just wish every guy like him would put a shotgun shell in his head. would save the taxpayer a f*ck load of money

Rocket....stop knocking peopls's pints over and you will be alright...

LF.....Moat was harrassed mercilessly by the Police.....186 car stops in 1 year.....you'd go postal with that kind of attention...

no you wouldnt

Moat's girlfriend saying Chris Brown(her new boyfriend) was in the Police...very stupid...tipped him over the edge...

you culd say him being dumped or being convicted of beating his kid (a girl?) tipped him over

Yes, in hindsight, but if she hadn't received numerous beatings from Moat, she wouldn't be so scared sh*tless so as to say anything that would keep him away.

Maybe there should be a mayor clamp down on steroid use...make it a class (A or B?) drug...

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Maybe a clamp down on dubious first names would be suffice.imagine what the poor fecker had too put up with growing up.As well as being a borderline redhead and having a head like a kicked in jam tin.

his mum was/is a frog.

but his dads not a prince.

kicked in jam tin.


Not heard that expression before !

thats cos jam is in glass jars. but i like it, it just needs adapting. 'a kicked in baked bean tin'?

Us convicts have jam by the tin over here.Awful sh1t.prefer the glassed stuff personally

his face reminds me of augustus gloop off charlie and the chocolate factory

The correlation is ridiculously strong.

Forum versions of Gazza.

He's up there with Saint Jade of Bermondsey.

He's a Spencer backer....Years of seething built up

speedypro     11 Jul 10 09:24 
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i was using this thread for other reasons, i was not correcting anyone on this one.

just read  mail on sunday, sam stobbart elder sister saying how bad raoul was,met her at 15 in club whigh her mother took her, dated her at 16, took pics of her on valentines with stockings etc,showered her with gifts,when sam got pregnant he packed in the doors and got himself a job and took fatherhood seriously, got his 2 previous kids through the courts, eh seems a really terrible person doesnt he,,

well he did shoot 2 people so i dunno bit of a nut job i suppose

"people think he's cool because he was on the run for a week "

was most likely hiding in the flood drain, a tunnel that runs beneath the village
like a rat in the sewer.

you don't get stopped 180-odd times in a year by the police if you are a law-abiding citizen

That's just the old bills way of letting you know that you are a baddie and that they are on to you

What did you expect the grandmother to do?

Well she could go to the Police and report it?
The interesting part is in the reporting..

Reading the Telegraph, he is Satan reborn.

Watching the BBC interview is odd, she proclaims him as always being a nice guy. Funny defending him like that. I mean, would you defend someone who was "Splitting" your Granddaughters head open all the time like that?

I have seen no proof of domestic abuse in this case. No arrests for domestic abuse, no jail, not even investigation. Any medical records of her being treated for injuries?

I am genuinely open to be wrong and am not defending him, he was obviously not an angel and am in no way defending his actions which were abhorent, but i am more interested in media reporting of the case.

The Girlfriends sister gave a shocking interview after the shooting proclaiming he thought he was Gods Gift and started insulting Moat regarding waist size etc.... No mention of domestic abuse.

Surely if your sister had been shot by a guy who had abused her for years, you wouldn't be slagging his waist etc...but explaining the history and trying to emphasis why it was essential he was caught.

Have Police admitted domestic violence or is it just paper./media reporting?

Genuine question.

Raoul Moat's brother describes the way he died "as a public execution". Cheeky bastaaard. He was a murderer, who eventually held a gun to his head. Tazared or not, he was the criminal.

If moat had lasted another week the reward money was going up to 20 grand.Police were calling it a Raoul over.

Please do not believe the mail on sunday. I implore you, please do not believe it.

the police wanted him dead and they got there wish

I liked the interview on Sky with a local newspaper reporter who knew Moat and he said "Moat was 37 and ONLY had 12 police convictions,I don't think that's too bad"

Moat was no monster, what happened to him could happen to every single person on this forum.it,s called abreakdown.

"The hard intelligence and the soft intelligence just don't match up," said Harry Fletcher, assistant general secretary of the probation union, Napo. "You would expect someone like Moat who was capable of such violence to have a significant number of convictions, but he doesn't."

oduinn Joined: 26 Jun 08
Replies: 780 11 Jul 10 13:05   


Moat was no monster, what happened to him could happen to every single person on this forum.it,s called abreakdown.



I assume you're fishing ...


...if not, that is the most singular piece of unadulterated rubbish I have ever read.

Explain why you think its rubbish Facts?
Its his opinion, he may be right or wrong but just because you don't agree, you rubbish it?

Have Police admitted domestic violence

I think the conviction for battering his kid, is taken by the press as enough to say its domestic violence, cant argue with them really

He actually had 1 conviction despite being arrested a dozen times since 2000 and charged on 7 occasions. Whether that points to him having a good lawyer or that the police were victimising him as he claimed I dont know but I think it should be looked at given how it has ended up.

'Diamond' Joe Quimby Joined: 14 Oct 05
Replies: 2635 11 Jul 10 13:39   


Explain why you think its rubbish Facts?
Its his opinion, he may be right or wrong but just because you don't agree, you rubbish it? 



He's insinuating that anyone who has a mental breakdown has potential to go and murder someone before blowing their own head off.
That is palpable garbage. If you don't think so Mr Pedantic - then good luck to you.

He didn't insiuate that at all. Where did he claim that ALL people who suffer breakdowns may take extreme action?
He is commenting that it could happen to anyone.

Well no, I don't think what people are thinking Moat did wrong was have a breakdown. It was the murder and other shootings. Thus, if you're excusing it by saying lots of people have breakdowns that point is only valid if they all go on killing sprees. Which evidently they don't.

No ones excusing what he did, just trying to find a reason for WHY.

Well I rather think oduinn was, if you read his post.

Finding out why people do bad things is of course a meritworthy task, even if it does lead to conclusions some may dislike.

Hello people,I said every man/women is capable of a mental breakdown in the correct climate,obviously not all breakdown patients will go to the extremes of murder,some will ramble in broken biscuits others cry some may act like a giraffe,others shout be violent etc..What i,m saying is people who suffer mental breakdowns can not choose what they want to be.Facts i,m not hear to upset you seems to  me your vision is in black and white left and right etc..in a sane mind no person would do what moat did, you can not have a calculated breakdown,The truth is people would not recognise you and you would not recognise yourself,I,m not an expert on moats character but from what those close to him say friends an family is that he was a gentle giant. who turned into a monster during this period, a little bit similar to what was sed about the cumbrian shooter.I,m certainly not justifying/excusing what moat did in any way shape or form totally wrong over stepped the line big time my sympathys go out to all the victims and those personally and emotionally involved.may be he was a monster i just don,t see him in the same light as hindley/  brady type figure.There may be no lessons for society to learn from this. just another sad affair which resulted in an impulse killing spree. Thankfully not every sane person has accsess to a gun.

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,I,m not an expert on moats character but from what those close to him say friends an family is that he was a gentle giant.


Yeah, really gentle. A thug who beat women  and children. he had just come out of prison for assaulting a child.

gentle giant
not buying that

For all the fella had done, that was the first time he got a sentence were he actually served time in jail. At 37 to have 1 spell in jail says to me, he wernt as bad as he is being made out to be. Not that excuses what he went on to do in the past week.

No worries mate.GL.x

Ukmalllia Joined: 18 Mar 02
Replies: 6398 12 Jul 10 12:58   


For all the fella had done, that was the first time he got a sentence were he actually served time in jail. At 37 to have 1 spell in jail says to me, he wernt as bad as he is being made out to be. Not that excuses what he went on to do in the past week.




are you serious ???

100% serious.

oh dear

oi MOATY, it GAZZA

Are you serious "FACTS" ?. That is the question that should be asked.

SY

There's a fk load of experts on this thread.

oduinn has a valid point

Thread of the century. Caught up on 20 pages today. Too many hi lights to mention. As for Moat himself, clearly unhinged, but still had his wits about him to know how to hide for 7 days, that said very poor from the old bill, just as bad from the locals not mentioning the perfect place that he seems to have been hiding!

Oduinn and Ukmallia are right to ask questions.To many arrogant fools these days.

I've got to confess, I never even considered that he might be in the sewers.  Seems so obvious now.

Even an Ex of his has defended him today claiming he was the kindest person you could meet.
No proof he ever beat women or children except for one jail sentence for low level assault...which is basically assault with no injuries to the victim.

This guy may have been no angel....but he was no demon either imho

was there a reward for .moat.

10,000

so had he not shot himself..could have been a raol over.

cant see what the attraction is with Moat gentler/wronged man/pushed to far persona. He shot guy in head 3 times whilst he lay dieing on floor. oh well, each to their own. better things to think about

you aint the guy outa coach trip by chance...

if he hadnt murdered the boy friend who allegedly ran out with iron bar, he could have pleaded self defence, his charges would then be 2 attempted murder and possession of firearm could have been out with sentances now in less than 10 years

Bit hard claiming self-defence when armed with a shotgun.

If he had Two bullets they should have let him shoot Gazza first !!!

The bloke was a bit of a d1ck but his actions saved me £300 so I'm ok with it.

how?

Was the bloke he killed also a male escort?

One of the lads that got banged up on the Monday and charged dropped an alloy wheel off at my garage to get a tyre fitted for his boss, I accidentally weighed it in at the scrapyard with a load of other rims. So when his boss came for it today I pleaded ignorance, he thinks its still in the boot of the black lexus the police have.....result, its saved me having to buy him a new set of rims.

lol ...crimewatch...

Every cloud has a silver lining

gets more like 'banjo country' each time on this thread.

I'll take my chance with the police/law enforcement authorities/judiciary and those that think Moat was some kind of hero can take their chance with the criminal underworld/drug dealing doormen/violent nutter end of town.

police informer(nap)....all that shoite about detesting the muskers hmm.....all along on their payroll....

go on...

As for Moat himself, clearly unhinged, but still had his wits about him

That was until he pulled the trigger and distributed them all over the place.

thought he only had 2 kids, but Moat had a total of six children from different women.

Well it doesn't matter now, because it is all epidemic.

ttt