enoch powell

Obviously there won't be 100% resentment, but I know what the feeling is about the size (and behaviour of an element) of Bradford's Asian population among the majority of white English people, so why shouldn't Leicester mirror Bradford?

LEICESTER it seems all the immigrants from all over the world live here.
walk through the town any day you like and you will see what i mean.
it is becoming a time bomb just waiting to explode.What the hell have our politions done to our country.seems like a dumping ground for any and all.

I cant believe Southall doesnt have a majority asian population.

enoch was not a racist

he just didnt like blacks.

Hardly anyone is racist.

Benny- you are ignorant - and wrong - if you wish to change this do some relevant reading

lmfao.I was only joking!

I agree with Enoch.Sadly its irrelevant and too late now.
Our once great country has well and truly gone to the dogs.

BENNY your bang right england has badley deteriated in lots of ways.And there is no way to put things right now its gone to far.

yes there is deport anybody who dosent want to live by our laws

yes there is deport anybody who dosent want to live by our laws

Little known fact about Enoch.

If writing a cheque for £19.95, he would write in words, 'Twenty pounds minus five pence.'

turning in his grave ..great man such true words

enoch was Welsh

enoch powell was the most intelligent politician I have ever seen on telly. I remember a bbc2 programme where an audience of students lined up to give him hell and he sat there calmly and debated his way to a standing ovation.
far from prophecising the future tho his speech was 40 odd years ago so when this timebomb will eventually go off is anyones guess.

ribber 13 Jan 12:03
No city or town in the UK has a majority Asian population - Leicester around 30% in 2006, the majority UK born and therefore not immigrants, and I'll bet that figure hasn't increased dramatically since then.

So a pakistani or an indiian or sri lankan born here is not an asian ?

A dog could be born in a stable but it doesn't make it a horse.

bad analogy

we might be different races but we are all people

a dog is a dog not a horse !

Some of the horses I've backed were definitely dogs CC :(

that's why I phrased it that way round Paddy :D

If you stood 5 white people and 5 pakistanis in a row, and asked a random person, black or white, to pick out the 5 asians, what odds can I get he/she picks the 5 dark skinned ones ?

depends how suntanned the 5 whites were imo

If you stood 5 short people and 5 tall in a row, and asked a random person, short or tall to pick out the 5 short people what odds would I get on them being all correct ?

1.01 if they were 5 different heights

no offers if they were 10 different heights

true story 35+ years back

it was kicking off a bit down the park so we had a football match black v whites.
there was one half cast lad no one wanted
he had to be ref

A dog could be born in a stable but it doesn't make it a horse.

You are aware of the fatal flaw in that hackneyed bit of 'common sense' aren't you?

:^0

true story some years back

there were a group of girls who hung around together in college ......... there was one half caste girl who everybody wanted :)

Enoch Powell's like marmite really, you either love him or you hate him.

Big Charlie 13 Jan 13:47


ribber 13 Jan 12:03
No city or town in the UK has a majority Asian population - Leicester around 30% in 2006, the majority UK born and therefore not immigrants, and I'll bet that figure hasn't increased dramatically since then.

So a pakistani or an indiian or sri lankan born here is not an asian ?

A dog could be born in a stable but it doesn't make it a horse.

wow.. how did you come up that one.. you must be genius..

I neither love him nor hate him.

Unlike most people on here (I suspect) I have actually seen the man speaking live. He was an excellent orator.

But he was wrong about the black man having the 'whip hand' unless of course I have completely got wrong the ethnic mix of the government, the Commons, the boardrooms of the major industries, media outlets etc. In no way can anyone say that statement was right.

And I'm sure he would shudder when he read the views of the doughnuts who invoke him as some kind of talisman.

a modern day nostradamus

Oh yes, Nostradamus...

'one day from the west a king will come and he will die one day and everyone will be sad'

Wow, Nostro, how do you do it?

More of a modern day Tony Broke/Cath22 to be fair.

I'm just imagining this forum existing on December 31st 1979, and as the clock turned midnight, someone posting on the thread 'Black Men (spreading )': so EnochP, shouldn't we all be under the whip hand by now?
EnochP: The next few weeks will be crucial!

If somebody said in 1967 that my school would one day have 90% black or asian pupils, and in my home borough, the indigenous whites would account for only 33% of the quarter of a million population, nobody would have believed it.

I'd have laughed my head off snatched his money at odds of 100/1

And done my b0ll0cks.

Plenty of things now would have been unbelievable in 1967 (the internet, mobiles, John Utaka earning 80k a week).

If you think something is 'bad' then say why. Otherwise, it's just meaningless.

Im sure Spock and Kirk had mobiles, i remember seeing them on the telly, and we havent got those things that beam you up yet

baracouda30 13 Jan 16:57
If you think something is 'bad' then say why. Otherwise, it's just meaningless.

All my reasons are on the threads on politics, as you well know.

Which you read, but don't comment on.

Did you ask your wife/partner is she thought all was rosy in the UK garden with mass immigration?

Did anybody else in a mixed race marriage/partnership ask their wives/partners ?

Of course you didn't, just in case they said 'No, it's not all rosy.'

You couldn't very well post that, could you ?

And you couldn't change it or you'd be lying.

Best just not to ask, eh ?

sparkmaster. 13 Jan 14:11


Enoch Powell's like marmite really, you either love him or you hate him.

I would contend that there is a third option which applies to most of the bellends who praise him on here on a regular basis.

a) Love him
b) Hate him
c) Know absolutely feck all about him but have heard a soundbite from him that fits in with their bull$hit and causes them to ejaculate whenever their tiny little minds register it

yes.
but the braindead who've been fed a neo-communist diet for the past 40 years will say no.
the zionists, who are the force behind racial integration/multiculturalism, know the best way to destroy the white christian people- whom they hate with a passion.

And yet live alongside with such contentment.

he had no right to say the things he did, swapped parties quicker than shirley williams, if we are not careful all politicians will be like him in 50 years then we will know what a mess is

but i dont hate him, i hate no-one, maybe thats why Im able to disagree with him

Evingolis is tremendous.

Never has a man been so utterly committed to cocoa puffs :^0

[i]Big Charlie 13 Jan 17:24

Did you ask your wife/partner is she thought all was rosy in the UK garden with mass immigration?

No. I'm on here to give my opinions, not hers.

And what would her response, whatever it was, actually prove? Does a non-white person agreeing with you give you a feeling of validation?

Her opinion differs to yours then.

I see.

Did he say that? Or did you make up an opinion for her?

He knows.

I saw him on a tube platform not knowing who he was. He stood out like a new pin, immaculate and stuck in my mind. Couple of weeks later and he was on telly, then I twigged who he was. Policies aside I can't think of another instance where someone stuck in my memory so clearly.

The term 'mass immigration' is one of those that has slid into the modern lexicon. It's a loaded term, because no-one is supposed to be in favour of it are they?

It's like 'democracy' is a word that can only be 'good', and 'mass immigration' can only be opposed.

For the record, her views (I think) are roughly similar to mine. But like I said, so what?

Very few race issues in the UK compared to other countries. Overall a very tolerant and peaceful place. So id say Enoch was wrong, despite trying to stir it up as a self fulfilling prophecy.

London Bombing?

Looks like the old boy was correct

:0 :0

Less terrorist deaths in this country in the last decade than the nineties, which had less than the eighties, which had less than the seventies.

Looks like the old boy couldn't have been more wrong.

London Bombing = Enoch was right!!!

What great leap of the imagination (I use the word loosely) led to that conclusion?
Did he predict bombings? Don't remember that bit of his speech.

He predicted bloodshed didn't he? Gun crime has gone up a few % since the sixties I reckon. It doesn't have to be restricted to terrorism.

He didn't predict the war on terror , this is what has led to bloodshed , nothing to do with the black man having the whip hand .

Brodie - last year had the lowest reported homicides in the country for twenty years. HTH.

all iknow is in places where there are a lot of people there are a lot of immigrants ,you do the figures,

sibaroni 14 Jan 16:02
Brodie - last year had the lowest reported homicides in the country for twenty years. HTH.

Like I said ,there is more gun crime now than in the sixties. Glad you backed me up.

And thats what Enoch was talking about you reckon? Where do the "smiling Pichaninees" (his words) fit into that?

Looks like we're going to have to agree that for the rest of time, whenever a non-white person does something they shouldn't in this country, some half-wit will claim 'Enoch was right'.

Wasn't he saying that mass immigration at the time and the inevitable offspring of these people would cause unrest in this country?
Seering as how gun crime is up, which causes bloodshed, and a large overwhelming % of this is done by blacks, then he's not totally wrong is he?
Just chatting, lets keep it civil.

Seering as how gun crime is up, which causes bloodshed, and a large overwhelming % of this is done by blacks, then he's not totally wrong is he?

You may be right, but where did you get the figures? I can't find any.

Very tenuous. The race riots don't happen any more, at least nothing like as often. Terrorism is down. Homicides over the last twenty years down, and even if he was talking about gun crime (which he wasn't) he was predicting an ever upward trend. It was not a sensible speech then, and looks plain wrong now.

There's a distinction between some crimes going up, and rivers of blood and civil unrest and black men dominating the country. One would like to think he was pleased he lived long enough to see how wrong he was.

Sibaroni,Forgive me for being a little pendantic,but living in England.is it not murder,or must we now have awful American terminology in everything ie Homicides.

Because murder covers murder and manslaughter.

Well how do you define rivers of blood then? The reincarnation of Saladin riding wild down oxford street cutting down swathes of people with his migty sword?.
What do you think he meant by rivers of blood?

sorry, homicide covers murder and manslaughter

Reading the whole speech, he was expecting mass loss of life (or blood I suppose) as a result of cultures conflicting here in Britain. Didn't happen.

Did he give a specific timeframe sib?

all iknow is when you hear of a gang rape you think black right away or am i wrong

No, but if it was to be in forty years time, he might have waited. The only defence for him is "just wait and see". Well after nigh on 40 years, that holds no weight any more.

Well let's see, if I saw a news headline today and saw the headline 'Rivers of Blood' sweep across Britain I'd imagine that killings and civil unrest had erupted far beyond previous unknown levels and that I should be barricading the door.

Or premier League Footballers

"In this country in 15 or 20 years time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man"

well, sparks, what he meant was diarise the barricading for forty years time, apparently.

ooh, well done. Thats confused them.

They've given Nostradamus centuries to get his predictions right ,seems a bit harsh on Enoch to give him 40 years. The fact that homicide rates have gone down in the last 20 years doesn't prove he was wrong at all.
If the homicide rates have gone up since he MADE the speech ,then he is in fact correct.
If the unrest hasn't reached the proportions he predicted ,then he's still not wrong because the country hasn't fallen into the sea.
Bit pedantic ,but to say he is wrong is jumping the gun ,imo.

hammers world cup winners 1966 14 Jan 16:25

all iknow is when you hear of a gang rape you think black right away or am i wrong


The word 'bizarre' doesn't really do that much justice, does it?

sparkmaster. 14 Jan 16:25
Well let's see, if I saw a news headline today and saw the headline 'Rivers of Blood' sweep across Britain I'd imagine that killings and civil unrest had erupted far beyond previous unknown levels and that I should be barricading the door.

You scare easy.

If saying he was wrong is jumping the gun, then surely so is saying the opposite?

If homicide rates have gone up since the speech, it doesn't help him at all. He was talking about violence specifically arising out of cultural battles. Brodie, it didn't happen.

Well he'd be correct if he'd said 'homicide rates will show a net gain', but those weren't quite his words were they? He was trying to whip up trouble and reasoned conjecture doesn't do that - fantastical (and spectularly wrong) doom-mongering might have, elsewhere.

Yep, Bara, I'm responding to the allegation Enoch was wrong.
The jury is out imo, but he could turn out to be right.

And Nostradamus dated his prophecies, and any one who gives them any weight is frankly daft.

^^^ i was being a bit tongue in cheek and he did not give specific dates iirc.

As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see "the River Tiber foaming with much blood."

this is the actual quote.

and, the black man will have the upper hand, was said by someone speaking to Powell and not by him.

Only if you can travel back in time to 1983-1988.

HALF VOLLEY!!!

you're correct, i apologise.

DAMN YOU, DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL! :_|

Hang on, no, it was by a man he claimed to have spoken too. It's a bit like Cath saying she heard someone say we're all going to die of swine flu.

calm down orioles, i did a very nice bit of photoshopping for you earlier, by mistake admittedly.

She was a bit right then .

Bighouse - that was not part of the letter he quoted. And even if it was, as a man who received many many letters, he chose specifically that one to press home his point.

was right

Anyway, no offence to anyone ,been good chatting.
I'll let the big guns do the business now and sort what's what. :D

I shall also bid farewell, I'm going to cook a curry!

Do you hate ice skaters or boxers ?