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It has to be legal, but apart from that please be as vindictive, hateful, spiteful, amusing and life changing as you like. But it has to be discreet and have no repercussions.

One of my best mates has had a problem with a neighbour for a couple of years now. Started off with the usual....noise, late parties etc. However it has gotten worse as time has gone on. The guy is basically a thug, the rest of the street are scared and lie very low. However, things came to the boil recently when the thug chose to have a go at my mates wife. And i mean had a go, threatening to kill her, slap her about, his face inches from her face, screaming and shouting. Her and the kids were frantic, my mate was out (conveniently?).

As i say, he has history with most in the street, but nothing like this kind of threatening, sickening bully boy behaviour.

Anyway, my mates wife is now scared to go out. The kids wont play in the street. The police cannot do anything about it until it turns phsysical or witnessed, apart from suggest they keep a diary! However, none of the neighbours would dare say anything for fear of repercussions, so he continues to rule the street with intimidation and threatening behaviour.

So, any ideas please. Obviously it needs to be clever. The old manure on the drive type thing won't do, as he'll just put 2 and 2 together which will just make things worse!

I dont want any kind of vigilante type stuff or anything outside the law, just would like a way to help my mate out so he can get his life (and more importantly his family's life) back to normal.

Cheers guys, don't mean to air dirty washing or sound desperate. This is a really serious issue and i just hate the thought of** like this ruining people's lives!

Cheers Hollow
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Report Hearts.no1 • June 13, 2009 7:15 PM BST
tobermory 13 Jun 20:07
He has 2 options imo

1. Confront the guy in a reasonable manner, seeking saaurances that his wife will not be threatened again. If he does this maybe the guy will admit he was wrong and apologise etc.Of course the guy could just beat your mate up instead, but if he did,after being spoken to reasonably, then surely the Police would have to act then and it would hopefully result in the thug going to prison.

2.As said earlier, move away.

feckin hell how can No2 be a option ??????


he will be running all his life !
Report Kelly Brook • June 13, 2009 7:16 PM BST
Your local council have power over this kind of anti social behaviour , has nobody contacted them ?

If he made a threat to kill then that is a criminal offence and it seems incredible that the police wont get involved .
Report Six of Clubs • June 13, 2009 7:17 PM BST
think there are 2 ways to go about this.

one way is through the system, get evidence, proceed through the courts etc. then again an asbo or something similar isn't going to be any good if his mate or the missus ends up face to face with the knut in a dark alley and no witnesses. through the system make take a long time and the major disadvantage is something serious will probably need to happen before any significant action is taken.

the other way is to get a few pounds together and pay two chaps to engineer a situation where mr bully boy winds up very much worse for wear. its no good just sending round the boys because he will put 2 and 2 together, has to be something seen as a chance encounter. then while he is recovering from a broken arm pop round and have a "chat".

at the end of the day someone has to move. so you either move away, put him away for 4-5 or make him move away.
Report Live Forever • June 13, 2009 7:24 PM BST
As stated above, I am sure that the council have quite wide ranging powers over this, even if it is a private house.

Also, it's very easy to give it the 'I'd kick the $hit out of him' or 'I know people who would/did do this'.

Well, I know people who would quite willingley, because they are complete cvnts, kick the $hit out of the fella if he went round threatening him (even though that's what they do) or do the same and wor$e to whoever ganged up and 'sent a message'.

That's not to say there aren't certain people who should be fronted up to when they behave like this but it's very easy to wave your c0ck around on an internet forum and tell other people to do your fantasy work. You had just better hope that when they follow your 'Rambo' advice they aren't doing it with the wrong tw@t.

Meanwhile, you are still sat at home w@nking in your underpants over a truck driver on the chit chat forum.....
Report Live Forever • June 13, 2009 7:24 PM BST
And when I say wor$e, I mean a lot worse.
Report a bitofinterest • June 13, 2009 7:26 PM BST
you mean babycakes is here tonite ?

yee-haa!
Report the.mad.dog.man • June 13, 2009 7:27 PM BST
put a horse head in his bed
Report Lozzy • June 13, 2009 7:30 PM BST
What would VICTOR MELDREW do in this situation ?

There's your answer ;)
Report bertiesmalls69 • June 13, 2009 7:31 PM BST
Suss out over a period of time when hes at his most vulnerable & he will have these moments i:e when he goes to the pub does he walk home alone at all.Hit him at one of these times & hit him hard with whatever you need to, make sure you bally yourselves up dark gear frighten the living sh#t out of him dont utter a word.Hes likely to have so many enemies he wont know where to start in terms of a culprit.He is a slink & unfortunately that is the only way to deal with his ilk feeding off peoples fear.
He may go to the old bill doubt theyll do house to house inquiries or investigate it too thoroughly though if hes such a cu nt.
Its the only way stand up & be counted IMHO
Report Capt__F • June 13, 2009 7:32 PM BST
aitl
wd sort it for half a monkey imo
Report the.mad.dog.man • June 13, 2009 7:32 PM BST
frame him get a few friends to act as witness and say he attack your friend and wife
Report Lozzy • June 13, 2009 7:34 PM BST
Post an anonymous letter through his door made from newspaper cut outs saying "Ive been f*cking your wife".
Report Hollow • June 13, 2009 7:41 PM BST
I'm not sure if they've involved the council tbh. And i agree, its shocking that the police don't seem to give a monkeys
Report lippy • June 13, 2009 7:41 PM BST
go on holiday to amsterdam and start posting him poorly wrapped parcels with concealed drugs inside. (Or kiddie porn mags)
Meanwhile get your mate tO anonymously complain to the police that there are lots of druggie types keep visiting him.

Could even throw a few drugs into his garden ready for the sniffer dog to find when hes raided

Thats just one idea , there are loads of entertaining ways to make his life a misery , and as hes the sort of person who will of**ed everyone off he unlikely to suspect you
Report Hollow • June 13, 2009 7:42 PM BST
He's defo the type of person to have p issed a few people off lippy!
Report Hearts.no1 • June 13, 2009 7:43 PM BST
Hollow you got plenty of advice , sift though them tell your m8 then watch him ignore the lot.
Report mmg • June 13, 2009 7:43 PM BST
why not post him name & address on here?
Report Hollow • June 13, 2009 7:46 PM BST
thought about that mmg! Not particularly just on here but online anywhere really!
Report lippy • June 13, 2009 7:47 PM BST
print off some little cards with his phone number on ,offering sex with young girls, stick them up in all the phone boxes
Report The Priest • June 13, 2009 7:48 PM BST
Must admit if you wish a non violent solution, the proposal to send dodgy stuff to his house sounds a good idea as he will be too thick to throw them out.

A phone call from a concerned neighbour should do the trick or better still if its child porn, tear the envelope slightly so the contents can be seen, the PO will do the work for you.
Report Hollow • June 13, 2009 7:48 PM BST
Anyway, as you say hearts, got loads of comments, got it off my chest, and managed to calm my mrs down. I guess he'll eventually do whats right for him, or at least whats easiest or necessary to sort the situation out

Thanks all, i'll no doubt update at some point
Report Hearts.no1 • June 13, 2009 7:50 PM BST
gl hollow but if you give him one piece of advice it should be to do something positive ie dont just hope it will go away.
Report Hearts.no1 • June 13, 2009 7:51 PM BST
ps if he lived next to me he would have a courteous polite family who respects their neighbours.
Report The Priest • June 13, 2009 7:52 PM BST
Hollow is the man married with kids?

If so what are they like.
Report Shirl_the_girl • June 13, 2009 7:52 PM BST
Send an anonymous letter to Social Services claiming he's abusing his kids. May not be true but who needs that sort of annoyance?
Report BIG GURU • June 13, 2009 8:02 PM BST
Either do what Hearts.no1 says or get him down for a holiday and he will sort the c unt out for you
Simples :)
Report Hollow • June 13, 2009 8:05 PM BST
Yes Priest, married with 2 small kids
Report lippy • June 13, 2009 8:05 PM BST
Fact is you dont need to be scared. Once you have registered your concern with the police any move he makes will cause him grief.

Im sure you should be able to get some kind of order which prevents him from hassling you. So what if he does? worst he likely to do is slap you or your mate about a bit and that will land him in trouble.

Best thing you can do is just ignore him , anytime he steps out of line just tell the relevent authorities , what you shouldnt do is lock yourselves away. Just act as normal , and look on it as a good thing if he steps out of line as it will give you an excuse to get him in trouble
Report Hollow • June 13, 2009 8:06 PM BST
sorry priest, what do you mean 'what are they like'?
Report Hearts.no1 • June 13, 2009 8:08 PM BST
lippy 13 Jun 21:05
Fact is you dont need to be scared. Once you have registered your concern with the police any move he makes will cause him grief


pmsl :^0

yep because the police are on the ball !
Report Hearts.no1 • June 13, 2009 8:14 PM BST
stand up to him !!!!!!
Report RLKingPunter • June 13, 2009 8:37 PM BST
Shoot him in the Face....
Report J2BLUE. • June 13, 2009 8:37 PM BST
Jump him ffs. This is why they invented balaclavas.
Report Splicer Keats • June 13, 2009 8:48 PM BST
4am, petrol bomb his house, he will move i assure you.
Report cush • June 13, 2009 9:23 PM BST
There are some interesting answers here, but I am far from convinced that the solution to a problem is to start becoming a part of the problem yourself.

The vast majority of people that this thug is terrorising, seem like decent people.

Controlling a threat of future violence with an equal threat of future violence is ridiculous, in this instance.

In this instance, you would effectively be saying that the majority of decent people should start to turn themselves into indecent people, so that they can defeat a tiny, tiny, minority.

That is insane.

That line of thinking, will just lead to more impurities surfacing in the future, amongst people who struggled to live the majority of their lives, as decent people..

It just doesnt add up and it is, certainly, nowhere near good enough.. That is only my opinion though.
Report dabizzness • June 13, 2009 9:26 PM BST
Invite him round to watch Irriversible and then smash him over the head with a fire extinguisher imo.
Report Eli Dingle • June 13, 2009 9:26 PM BST
Splicer Keats 13 Jun 21:48


4am, petrol bomb his house, he will move i assure you.

Congratulations mate :) The 100th post says firebomb his house - 'he will move I assure you' Brilliant :D
Report Utd Fan • June 13, 2009 9:38 PM BST
the people in the street should club together and find a very good solicitor with experience in dealing with unsocial behaviour.

It might cost you a few quid but the outcome will be legal and positive.

Your mate could always move as an option
Report kenc2008 • June 13, 2009 10:09 PM BST
get ur mate to confront him on his own but only at the front door and w/o using violence and have a neighbour across the road secretly film it. then either

a) the thug apologises to him n his wife
or
b) the thug lamps him. then u got him for assualt on camera.

so he may need to take a beating, every man does once in their life!
Report Clockwork • June 13, 2009 10:21 PM BST
Knock on his door. When he open it, throw a bottle of water on him and tell him "next time you threaten my mate's wife it this will be acid".


Works every time.
Report kenc2008 • June 13, 2009 10:54 PM BST
good shout clockwork, i like that idea more!
Report ENGLANDAWAY • June 13, 2009 10:55 PM BST
There are several options.
1. Follow the law, involve the cops, play the innocent and harass him via the right channels.
2. Make life difficult for him ( i have something similar right now with a conman who was on Watchdog).
He is clearly a villain, he will be avoiding tax, not paying bills, signing on and working etc Use crimestoppers, DVLA, DWP etc tell lies if you have to.
3. Puncture his tyres, send him anonymous threatning letters, put his windows in at 4am and then do it again 4 hours after they are replaced.
4. Move house and forget about it.
5. Get a mob together and leather him.
Report UTV29 • June 13, 2009 10:57 PM BST
Some outrageous suggestions in this thread. I'd advise against sending him dodgy porn in the post! If that goes pete tounge whoever sent it could get sent down for distributing k!ddie porn !

This country is laughable when a tw@t like this can ruin a whole street and the response from the authorities is to keep a diary :0. The police can't be blamed it's the system which is a joke.

Anyway if they do not want to move which is an option, the force is the only way to deal with it, speaking from experience.

You need to put the fear into him. You don't have to kill him or chop any of his limbs off.....just give the impression that this will be the end result if he doesn't back off ;)
Report UTV29 • June 13, 2009 10:57 PM BST
the=then
Report Eternal optimist • June 13, 2009 10:59 PM BST
The bottom line is to do something and be committed about the course of action. What you do isn't as important as the mental leap needed to be proactive. In doing this you turn away from being a victim. Cowering turns you into a victim and that will drag on for weeks, months or even years.
Report ENGLANDAWAY • June 13, 2009 11:06 PM BST
I moved home 4 times in 4 years and every time it was because of bad neighbours/neighbourhood.
Been in a period building in a conservation zone for 3 years.
Its miles better.
Last night though some scrote pulled the signs down.
Its everywhere. Chavsville UK
Report Wasted • June 13, 2009 11:10 PM BST
What rules has the bully boy set for the street ?
Report bacontrout. • June 13, 2009 11:47 PM BST
anonymously send him lots of gay porn every 3 days. LOTS
Report RLKingPunter • June 14, 2009 12:23 AM BST
Putting myself into your mates position Hollow - id sort out a few heavies to go round break his arms and legs with a baseball bat and nail him to the floor.If hes really that bad then he deserves it,might cost you a grand but it would be money well spent, all done when you,re away on holiday..
Report BillKiller • June 14, 2009 12:28 AM BST
Violence is the only answer, imo. These people don't understand anything else.
Report SA - Lacks middle pace - Faded • June 14, 2009 1:07 AM BST
Hollow, having been in a similiar position over noise nuisance but without the threats, myself, the answer is to move and move quickly. We got no joy from the local EHO, who when he went to visit was spotted by the wife laughing and joking outside in the street with the troublesome party. Living under such stressful situations can cause ruptions even in the most stable of marriages. So much so when we moved we would be listening for noise or lack of it from our new neighbours because it had made us that way.

Until you have lived with these pressures you just don't appreciate what they are going through.
Report TigerLilly63. • June 14, 2009 2:10 AM BST
Give me 25k and you wont have to deal with him again
Report Debt Regret • June 14, 2009 2:22 AM BST
This is ridiculous.

Fack the law, they won't help unless the facker has unpaid parking fines... threatnening your wife does not make them any money in fines, so they do not give a flying F uck.

Regardless of how hard he is... there is always somebody harder.... you have to fight fire with fire... unless he is a pikey... in which case move.
Report Oh no!! not another Villa fan • June 14, 2009 8:39 AM BST
Call the police 24/7....... Get your neighbours to do it aswell........ they will soon get**ed off with him and do something about it.

Im not a fighter either,I do know though that if anyone scared my kids( no matter how big he was) im at least going to have a go (its his kids F.F.S)
Report Aspro • June 14, 2009 9:37 AM BST
One of my early jobs was as a milkman; I was only 20 at the time and a skinny little runt to boot. On one of the estates there was a bully who had a local reputation and I had to deliver milk in his back-garden, as he didn't like it left at the front door. I had no issues with that (or him) until the day came when the back-garden was locked so I left it at the front door. The next day he came out and fronted me over this and very intimidating too. I told him why the change and he told me I should have knocked so I said I would in future. Still unhappy he continued to rant and rave and I just took this one the chin and reported it when I got back to the yard... the other guys weren't at all happy when they heard it (knowning his reputation) and 'immediately' sent a crew of 5 geezers to his house to (shall we say) have a word... the bully never spoke to me again and when I did see him and said "good morning" he politely responded the same. I don't believe the lads touched him (I wasn't there btw) but when they got back to the yard they said "he won't worry you again".... they were right!
Report kingfisher 23 • June 14, 2009 9:40 AM BST
Aspro are you Pat Mustard?
Report Aspro • June 14, 2009 9:41 AM BST
Pat Mustard?
Report HRH The Lager Khan • June 14, 2009 9:42 AM BST
Pat Mustard got blown up!
Report sandysboy • June 14, 2009 9:47 AM BST
Hide in the dark near his home armed with a piece of 4 by 2, when he comes home hit him back of the head with it , when he turns round hit him in the face , wont bother you again
Report Richard LL • June 14, 2009 9:48 AM BST
can't see any soloution other than moving house, yeah it's drastic but if this thug is making their lives so unhappy I can't see any other option.
Report Hearts.no1 • June 14, 2009 9:53 AM BST
move house ffs and if you have a similar problem there do you move again and again and again ?
Report Winnerallrite • June 14, 2009 9:57 AM BST
there is 2 sides to every story --

what if your "mate" is a total knob? who doesn't like abit of music or a party from time to time and clearly is**ing off the neighbour with all the complaining and being a bit.ch.

just a thought.
Report Aspro • June 14, 2009 9:58 AM BST
No idea what you're talking about but in my experience most people who act 'ard and far from it... it's usually all talk, although I wouldn't trust that rule 100%. Only on a few occasions have I found myself in a position where I've had to stand up to a bully and suprisingly neither of them went against me; in fact on one occasion I lost it with one of them and nutted him; I thought I was going to get mashed but he just walked away after that.

The funny thing about this story is the foreman came up to me and told me that I should be instantly sacked for it but he'd managed to calm the other guy down enough, not to let it go any further. He went on to say... "but off the record.... Nice one!" :D

Several years later I heard him refer to me as a "bit of a nutter" (pardon the pun) but anyone who's met me will know I'm not like that at all... I just lost it on this one occasion where usually I'd try to resolve the issue. The guy was much bigger than me and had he the balls to actually fight he probably would have knocked me into the middle of next week with just one punch. He played on his size and from what I hear he still does but underneath he wasn't a fighter at all... something I am forever grateful for!
Report kingfisher 23 • June 14, 2009 9:59 AM BST
Just a joke aspro Pat Mustard was the milkman on Father Ted.
Report Aspro • June 14, 2009 9:59 AM BST
ahhh, never watched it
Report kingfisher 23 • June 14, 2009 10:00 AM BST
You should do comedy genius.
Report Aspro • June 14, 2009 10:02 AM BST
I did watch one episode but it didn't appeal to me at all so never bothered again
Report Oh no!! not another Villa fan • June 14, 2009 12:16 PM BST
Not really helping the guy that :)
Report Crutchbender. • June 14, 2009 9:24 PM BST
Torture his cat.
Report Pounf • June 15, 2009 4:00 PM BST
Two real options

Do something

Do nothing.

If its do something then its

Fight or Flight

If flight is not an option that leaves fight.

So legal fight or illegal.

If legal is expensive and doesnt really work what does that leave.

So how far do you want to go with this illegal fight.

Plenty of options already mentioned.
Report tobermory • January 12, 2010 10:03 PM GMT
Saw Hollow was posting earlier. Wondered what happened so ttt
Report d13phe • January 12, 2010 10:15 PM GMT
Richard LL 14 Jun 10:48
can't see any soloution other than moving house, yeah it's drastic but if this thug is making their lives so unhappy I can't see any other option.

completely agree.

you don't want to antagonise a dikkhead particularly if the wife is scared as she wont dare to be alone in the house anyway

its unfortunate but the keyboard warriors won't help here.
Report mitchell downie • January 12, 2010 10:17 PM GMT
ffs, I've been reading an old thread for the last 15 mins.
Report d13phe • January 12, 2010 10:17 PM GMT
same here lol

:(
Report mitchell downie • January 12, 2010 10:17 PM GMT
not a bad ttt though tober'.
Report mitchell downie • January 12, 2010 10:18 PM GMT
lol
Report tobermory • January 12, 2010 10:20 PM GMT
sorry :^0


Hollow may be on soon , just posted on Horse Forum
Report mitchell downie • January 12, 2010 10:28 PM GMT
ok, will be interesting to see if it's been resoved.
Report mitchell downie • January 12, 2010 10:28 PM GMT
l*
Report den perry • January 12, 2010 10:34 PM GMT
what does ttt mean?
Report mightymoyes • January 12, 2010 10:39 PM GMT
hope to frig his mate didnt move just cos of some fecking gobshyte acting the big man.
Report Hollow • January 12, 2010 10:44 PM GMT
Evening all.

A sad end unfortunately. Several attempts were made to get police involved, who just kept saying that until something happened there was nothing they could do. (incidently, there is a new initiative apparantly that is a bit like drug house busts. If enough neighbours anonymously sign a police form about anti social behaviour from one household, the police can raid and board up that house! Never happened!)

In the end they just upped and left. Left the house to be repossesed, took kids out of school, left his job and moved away from the area completely to stay with family. Talked a few times on the phone since, but it's a raw subject so don't know the full details.I know he's retraining to be a plasterer, so i guess he's dealing with things as well as possible.

All in all, a real life example of the crass world we live in.
Report tobermory • January 12, 2010 10:47 PM GMT
:(

Shame , pity the people who moved in.
Report Hollow • January 12, 2010 10:52 PM GMT
Sometimes makes me hang my head in shame Tobe. When he left, the 1st thing we thought was 'oh well at least they're out of that situation'. Didn't really think of the rest of the street or the new owners. Its one of them, turn a blind eye cos it doesn't affect me things. Maybe i'm no better than the bully in that way, but as my wife said, it's not our battle!

Now back to searching for that lay price post ;)
Report tobermory • January 12, 2010 11:00 PM GMT
Depressing really that decent people had no option but to move away, sounds like they must be worse off altogether from a financial perspective too. The children might be relieved though , must have been frightening for them in particular. Though the experience won't improve their outlook on life. :(
Report mightymoyes • January 12, 2010 11:03 PM GMT
at least he could go back now and batter the cnut if he wanted and he wouldnt know where to find him.
Report good value losers • January 12, 2010 11:06 PM GMT
how did this fred survive the purge? last post was 15 june, thought everything pre-july had been zapped?
Report casemoney • January 12, 2010 11:10 PM GMT
If his wife is so worried u need to get a direct line to the police station for her ,just incase this bloke
does infact attack her ..what area do these people live in ,is it a rough area ,why has he singled this lady out ? as mental as he is there
must be a reason he has picked on her ,do they
live next door to him ?
Report tobermory • January 12, 2010 11:11 PM GMT
they don't anymore Case as they moved away in the end

GVL, Thats only on Football ( 6 months i think? ) and Horses( 4 months)

Chit Chat threads can still be retreived from Sep 2006
Report casemoney • January 12, 2010 11:13 PM GMT
tell her to go to the station and tell them she wants a panic button installed ,if you keep on

the police will have to take some sort of action ,even if its just an occasional ,drive by

to re assure the other residents ..
Report tobermory • January 12, 2010 11:15 PM GMT
from Hollow's post bottom of the previous page sounds like Police were useless
Report rustyboy • January 12, 2010 11:16 PM GMT
slow psychological torture would be the way to deal with it a la the twits.

Add a small circle of wood to his chair legs every day for a year he'll think he's getting shorter when his feet dont touch the ground. So you can then tie him to some helium balloons to stretch him back to size. cut the strings and he'll fly up and away and never be seen again.

Simple really. don't know why no one thought of this before.
Report mightymoyes • January 12, 2010 11:18 PM GMT
the twits!! class book! :)
Report Giles de Gauxbert • January 12, 2010 11:37 PM GMT
Wait until bully boy leaves house....

A strategically well hidden fish wrapped in newspaper will take a good length of time to rot down completely

Bit of meat in an air vent etc.

You get the gist.
Report Big Charlie • January 12, 2010 11:40 PM GMT
Should have got somebody to beat the crap out of him.
Report mitchell downie • January 13, 2010 12:29 AM GMT
Six of Clubs 13 Jun 20:17
think there are 2 ways to go about this.

one way is through the system, get evidence, proceed through the courts etc. then again an asbo or something similar isn't going to be any good if his mate or the missus ends up face to face with the knut in a dark alley and no witnesses. through the system make take a long time and the major disadvantage is something serious will probably need to happen before any significant action is taken.

the other way is to get a few pounds together and pay two chaps to engineer a situation where mr bully boy winds up very much worse for wear. its no good just sending round the boys because he will put 2 and 2 together, has to be something seen as a chance encounter. then while he is recovering from a broken arm pop round and have a "chat".

at the end of the day someone has to move. so you either move away, put him away for 4-5 or make him move away.





best solution by far, and one I have always known I would go along with if I was in the same situation.
Report cunnybobbler • January 13, 2010 12:37 AM GMT
i know this is resolved but is the "put a bagful of counterfeit notes and illegal drugs in his garden shed and anonymously phone the police and say hes a drug dealer" option any use?
Report good value losers • January 13, 2010 12:42 AM GMT
tobermory 13 Jan 00:11
GVL, Thats only on Football ( 6 months i think? ) and Horses( 4 months)


tennis has been zapped too, 6 months. i just assumed it was all of them.
Report tobermory • January 13, 2010 12:52 AM GMT
ffs , can't have the Isner/Levine thread being deleted
Report BillKiller • January 13, 2010 12:58 AM GMT
Big Charlie has it right.

I believe in speaking to people in a language they understand and non-verbal communication is fine.

If you have to call in a plumber to unblock your toilet, that's also fine. The important thing is to unblock your bog.
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