silly question... is anybody on benefits here ?????

before paying rent and council tax according to this thread i meant

depends were u live punter

I used to be a volunteer adviser and a fair bit of that was benefits advice it was a few years ago mind. I've still got the rulebook somewhere, I'll try and dig it out tomoz and have a look. Take a look at http://www.entitledto.co.uk/default.aspx?sid=1&cid=d1e6da6c-a039-43fa-a151-9... and see if it tallies with the other site.

cheers spker i did that one earlier aswell but it came back as £100.95 for him claiming as a couple but i guess thats not including what u could get for the kids aswell but i dont know were to find that.

I've got a mate who works at the Job centre as well I'll give him a buzz and see if he can type it in their computers at work, prob have an answer sometime tomorrow afternoon if you haven't already had a definitive answer by then. -It is a minefield and ussually isn't as much as many think as it is only supposed to cover the basic costs of living - though don't tell 'The Mail' readers that!

lol cheers spyker

SIR DEREK TROTTER 11 Jan 20:06
depends were u live punter

£315 a week would be a struggle before council tax and house rent anywhere you live

I apparently live in a cheap but all right area according to wikipedia, and I don't doubt it

with a family of 4 that is

i think most households on min wage would get less that that and some with a mortgage to pay.

I suppose it's possible if lifestyle equates to eff all, hand me downs, homework and television

i wish i had a television :(

now now come on

you'll soon have one each

i've got one thanks, it's a widescreen! :)

child tax credits sounds right to me for two kids

it can be confusing, cos I know a single mother at my work(part-time) and she gets help with rent cos she's a single mother?

very confusing

he'll need the JSA to pay the gym membership n stuff ;)

The goverment Get Fit Scheme will pay for gym if unemployed.

only for 12 weeks!

would that cover the KIDS too ?

I'm not sure, probably but there are loads of local schemes these days for fat kids.

Me and Mrs Londis get 90 a week as self employed people making just 8k profit between us. (Maybe not even that much, we're very low earners)

We have one child and he's at school.

punterfleecer 11 Jan 20:05
seriously, this thread is very confusing to be honest, things don't match up

£315 a week on a family of four after paying rent etc would be a real struggle

It must be easy as the minimum wage is £216 for a 40 hour week.

Big Charlie 11 Jan 22:13


punterfleecer 11 Jan 20:05
seriously, this thread is very confusing to be honest, things don't match up

£315 a week on a family of four after paying rent etc would be a real struggle

It must be easy as the minimum wage is £216 for a 40 hour week.



good point. beautifully f.uck.ing illustrated.

punterfleecer is loaded NAP ;)

Won't be, but I can see that the tories will be raising the minimum wage by 0.1% a year...................if labour never came in, there would be no minimum wage nor tax credits

good on the tories!....poverty is great!

at least Labour tried

am not loaded, just have a tiny mortgage, at least I was sensible about it

Just remeberd Del - bloke at Job Centre said if both are on JSA then it's £109 a week for the 2, he should have been claiming Chld Tax Credit so that will stay the same, (think he said it should be about £60) child benefit, council tax and about 90% of rent. If the Mrs works then it gets really complicated!

It must be easy as the minimum wage is £216 for a 40 hour week.

They'd get a degree of housing and Council tax benefit as well.

If you have a Mortgage of less than £120,000 the Govenment pay %40 of it Monthly, if you are on the dole.

if labour never came in, there would be no minimum wage

The minimum wage has been a win-win for Labour. Introducing it has made them seem like the champions of the downtrodden low-paid worker. But it has also meant the Goverment can**the lowest price a British worker can be avaliable at, this means that the Gov can ensure that EU imported worker can always be cheaper. If the Eu workers rates need to go up for any reason then 'good ole Labour' can simpy help the low paid worker and raise the minimum wage. What heros they are.

I find it staggering that people cannot see through this scam.

cheers spyker . he gets made redundant in 3 weeks so this will help him..

JSA is useless.

Anybody on it should get on IB instead, miles better off ater 6 months.

That's oh Del - tell him to try and get a job asap as dole life isn't as easy as many think!

IB doesn't exist anymore Chazza - Employment Service Allowance for new claimants which is basically the same as JSA.

Prima Donna 12 Jan 18:41
if labour never came in, there would be no minimum wage

The minimum wage has been a win-win for Labour. Introducing it has made them seem like the champions of the downtrodden low-paid worker. But it has also meant the Goverment can**the lowest price a British worker can be avaliable at, this means that the Gov can ensure that EU imported worker can always be cheaper. If the Eu workers rates need to go up for any reason then 'good ole Labour' can simpy help the low paid worker and raise the minimum wage. What heros they are.

I find it staggering that people cannot see through this scam.

In bold, what is that absolute rubbish?

Prima Donna, are you implying that workers from Poland can work here for less than the minimum wage legally?

STOP TALKING SH!TE!

Minimum wage is same for all nationalities - the fact that some employers pay less to (economic) migrants is because they think they can get away with it. Many British workers work for less as well!

I know that, theres a minimum wage office in HMRC, don't tell the police, tell your local HMRC office that you're getting paid less than the minimum wage

spyker 12 Jan 19:08
That's oh Del - tell him to try and get a job asap as dole life isn't as easy as many think!

IB doesn't exist anymore Chazza - Employment Service Allowance for new claimants which is basically the same as JSA.

It does for old customers - I'm on it

Who can forget the uproar from the tories when min wage was introduced, their bleating that it would bankrupt firms and the country couldn't afford it, in their efforts to keep the workers under their thumbs

spyker 12 Jan 19:33
Minimum wage is same for all nationalities - the fact that some employers pay less to (economic) migrants is because they think they can get away with it. Many British workers work for less as well!

The difference is notable out here in the sticks. If you work you have to drive there as there are no buses.

Almost all warehouse jobs are filled by eastern europeans, who work via s(umbag employment agencies who charge DOUBLE what they pay the worker.

Eastern europeans work hard, if they were in London they would be on a lot more than £5-40p per hour.

I was getting almost £8 an hour when I left London in early 2005. The offered me the same job up here for £5-17p, I told them I don't work for slave wages.

I was told it's because the cost of living is cheaper.

Which is b0ll0cks.

Food is the same price as in London and petrol is cheaper.

The only thing cheaper up here is housing, but on such low pay, and being eastern european, they have to rent privately as there are no council houses.

£600 a month for a 2/3 bed house.

Gross pay with no overtime is about £864.

They need overtime or they have to share the house with others, which is enough to stop anybody having a family.

I know staff were on £2 an hour in 1995

how do I know, cos that is what my brother earned when he was 18 in 1995 in a factory job

at least a minimum wage is getting somewhere but not good enough of course

as for house prices, it's usually a ripple effect from the centre of London

what should be happening is Councils and central government working their arses off to build new and affordable housing which doesn't seem to be happening at the moment

Sibaroni on a thread on politics said there are loads of empty houses up north.

I said there are loads of homeless down south in east London.

I told him to get onto his local council and take some of the overflow up there.

Spread the ethnics about a bit and let everybody have a taste of multiculturalism. :)

punterfleecer 12 Jan 19:27


Prima Donna, are you implying that workers from Poland can work here for less than the minimum wage legally



I am saying that Polish workers get paid less than the minimum wage.

Whether that is legal or not is another thing. And whether it is 'known' but overlooked is a seperate issue as well. It may be hard for you as a Civil Servant to accept but 'the rules' are there as an ideal NOT a reality in the real world. There are ways and means of manipulating the official minimum wage guideluine. Including accomation for a start.

Hoss, What the Tories said about crippling the economy and industry in this country, where is the industry in Britain now? and how often do we hear of companies outsourcing work to the EU due to the cost of wages on this country? this is the wider picture and more like what my earlier post was implying.

That would be fine Big Charlie

problem is, homeless people tend to want to be homeless, they are not mentally stable and think being homeless is all they're good for

trust me, a lot of those homeless people do not really want a home

You may not be on it for long - they are calling people in for medicals and signing many off it - lots who have legitimate reasons to be on it. Unless you are virtually paraplegic then it may happen to you - i'm not scaremongering - it is happening all over the country.

punterfleecer 12 Jan 19:35
I know that, theres a minimum wage office in HMRC, don't tell the police, tell your local HMRC office that you're getting paid less than the minimum wage

and lose their only hope of a job punter .. sure they will .. not

i'd guess many are getting cash in hand anyway for say a fiver an hour !

spyker 12 Jan 20:11
You may not be on it for long - they are calling people in for medicals and signing many off it - lots who have legitimate reasons to be on it. Unless you are virtually paraplegic then it may happen to you - i'm not scaremongering - it is happening all over the country.

I'll be on it for a while yet.

I got D.L.A. granted 3 weeks ago.

maybe so mate but all it takes is for 1 of these 'decision makers' (official job title) to take a look at your case and decide you aint elligable - somebody with a broken back was told he could do a part-time sit down job and he's had to appeal - other people with advanced liver disease the same, just hope your case isn't 1 of the ones randomly picked on!

Mc Moonbeam 12 Jan 20:15
punterfleecer 12 Jan 19:35
I know that, theres a minimum wage office in HMRC, don't tell the police, tell your local HMRC office that you're getting paid less than the minimum wage

and lose their only hope of a job punter .. sure they will .. not

there would be no names named and can an employer bother to lose so many staff in one go?

Punter,Your naivety astounds me!

Prima Donna 12 Jan 20:08
punterfleecer 12 Jan 19:27


Prima Donna, are you implying that workers from Poland can work here for less than the minimum wage legally



I am saying that Polish workers get paid less than the minimum wage.

Whether that is legal or not is another thing. And whether it is 'known' but overlooked is a seperate issue as well. It may be hard for you as a Civil Servant to accept but 'the rules' are there as an ideal NOT a reality in the real world. There are ways and means of manipulating the official minimum wage guideluine. Including accomation for a start.

I think accommodation is the only way?

yes it's different in the real world but the only way to solve that is tell the authorities

Just as long as you know that the government hasn't particularly set out that the EU workers would come in cheaper, after all what does the government benefit from it since no income tax would be paid? and costing money to weed the illegals out of it?

there would be no names named and can an employer bother to lose so many staff in one go?

Oh i see so you just want people to grass their employers good enough to give them a wage up like drug dealers ?? yes

and what are you on about .. lose so many staff in one go !/

ffs

it won't be perfect, but a lot of people will have benefited from the minimum wage unlike those who were on £2 an hour under the tories legally

Mc Moonbeam 12 Jan 20:40
there would be no names named and can an employer bother to lose so many staff in one go?

Oh i see so you just want people to grass their employers good enough to give them a wage up like drug dealers ?? yes

er, well as long as they're doing a job that is legal then why not? the employers are hardly drug dealers?

get real mate .. you can be such a c0ck at times !

drug dealers pay more

what can justify me being a c0ck?

that's an unfair insult, am just trying to have a discussion

problem is, homeless people tend to want to be homeless, they are not mentally stable and think being homeless is all they're good for

trust me, a lot of those homeless people do not really want a home

that for a start !!

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and what happens to those employing at below min wage then ? big fines ?

Mc Moonbeam 12 Jan 20:46
problem is, homeless people tend to want to be homeless, they are not mentally stable and think being homeless is all they're good for

trust me, a lot of those homeless people do not really want a home

That is bloody true!

I 've been homeless for many years mate

and what happens to those employing at below min wage then ? big fines ?

Jail, but the employees are happy to live with 15 people in the same house, but they don't really know any better because they country they came from is terrible enough, living in a half decent house housing 15 people is a vast improvement!

Mc Moonbeam 12 Jan 20:48
I 've been homeless for many years mate

You're obviously mentally fine, tell me your life story then, and the truth too

Ohh i see just Jail hey .... and i think you're implying they're all immigrants

you're not saying much!

give examples

Yes mentally fine .. i have a high IQ too

I've tried .. struggled to make my way .. never claimed housing benefit or the like

I have cash in the bank .. but not enough !!

That single handedly Rules me out of SOCIETY

Where does it get me ?

I'm not entitled to fck all like these scroungers with kids

but am sure you said you made your money playing poker

so you're not really a pro poker player?

and i bet your answer will be to get a job

for what .. to pay who ?

i'd be better off scrounging yes

try getting a mortage telling them that ..

you're missing the point !

what about your self-esteem?

but if you prefer scrounging , that's up to you

I don't scrounge .. muppet

if you're going to call me a muppet fine

if you have problems, you're better off seeing a professional

not someone who's just relaxing from work and on here, since I wouldn't get paid talking to you

I have problems with you and your rash statements .. whilst relaxing from his jumped up day job !

since I wouldn't get paid talking to you

ohh very witty

Don't ever talk to me again then (for free)

I'll be fine .. but this country won't see a penny off me when i'm done

I don't think the country will miss your cash

McMoonbeam,dont let it get to you,hes very naive to life.

Prima Donna 12 Jan 21:09
McMoonbeam,dont let it get to you,hes very naive to life.

What do you know?

punter i'm probably richer than you are ..

i just have higher goals in life !

go for it!

you certainly don't sound it!

enjoy life in Glasgow till retirement

Punter, I listen to you thats how I know.

then you can find a bird

Mc Moonbeam 12 Jan 21:14
enjoy life in Glasgow till retirement

will do!

oh I say

Prima Donna 12 Jan 21:14
Punter, I listen to you thats how I know.

okkk(!)

punter

HMRC

1996--2048

will retire at 2040

but whatever will be, will be!

You don't even understand the banking system yet you blart all this right wing cr^p out

Your mates must be a world of fun :)

mcmoonbeam...............lie down in a dark room

I can't .. greggs is on the sunbed :(

I get a bit confused over the scrounging chav parents with kids.

A) The drive Essex cars - they cost money to run
B) They wear chav gear - not my idea of clotihng, but it costs money
C) They own a small 'fighting breed' dog named Satan - They cost money
D) They have proper tattoos, not prison tattoos - They cost money
E) They smoke all the time - They cost money
F) They drink cheap lager - even cheap lager costs money
G) They wear jewellery from Argos - it costs money

which leads me to

H) How do they afford to eat after all this expense ?

Big Charlie

our gov't operates a pro children (scrubby little chav) policy

the more children you have the more you can scrounge off the gov't

Fatty pie's and Pizza!

chavs breed though don't they ?

Surely the pizza companies will run outta dough eventually ?

d13phe 12 Jan 22:48
Big Charlie

our gov't operates a pro children (scrubby little chav) policy

the more children you have the more you can scrounge off the gov't

Well tell me how much a couple with 3 kids get and how much they have left after spending it on items A to G plus feeding and clothing the 3 kids.

?