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Householders and businesses have been warned not to clear snowy pavements - as they could be sued if someone slips.
Icy paths mean hospitals have been inundated with patients who have broken bones in falls.
But the professional body that represents health-and-safety experts has warned businesses not to grit public paths.
More than 50 people turned out to dig snow and ice from pathways and the carpark at Elson Junior School, Gosport, Hampshire today
In its guidance to members, the Institution of Occupational Safety and Health warns that if people assume an area is clear and then slip and injure themselves, they could take legal action claiming damages.
And members of the public say they have been warned by councils about the legal risks.
Icy paths mean hospitals have been inundated with patients who have broken bones in falls.
But the professional body that represents health-and-safety experts has warned businesses not to grit public paths.
More than 50 people turned out to dig snow and ice from pathways and the carpark at Elson Junior School, Gosport, Hampshire today
In its guidance to members, the Institution of Occupational Safety and Health warns that if people assume an area is clear and then slip and injure themselves, they could take legal action claiming damages.
And members of the public say they have been warned by councils about the legal risks.
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Its a great time to be alive isnt it... nothing is anyones own fault anymore always someone else to blame/sue for compensation.
So now the biggest threat to people's health and safety is Health and Safety :(
ah yes, 21st century britain.
and yr also guilty, unless u can prove yr innocence.
and yr also guilty, unless u can prove yr innocence.
Nonsense. I thought this urban myth had already been put to bed.
Heard that the other day about shop fronts. PC gone mad.
I also seen one lady throwing a bucket of boiling water down her path to clear it. I said nothing :0
I also seen one lady throwing a bucket of boiling water down her path to clear it. I said nothing :0
if only it were nonsense Barry.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/6957957/Frozen-Britain-our-health-and-safety-rules-have-slipped-up-again.html
The president of the Association of Personal Injury Lawyers sums up the predicament thus: "If you do nothing, you cannot be liable. If you do something, you could be."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/6957957/Frozen-Britain-our-health-and-safety-rules-have-slipped-up-again.html
The president of the Association of Personal Injury Lawyers sums up the predicament thus: "If you do nothing, you cannot be liable. If you do something, you could be."
^ so a third of the population will never be liable for anything.
Admittedly, the chances of success for a case brought against a well-meaning pavement-cleaner may not be high, but they do not need to be.
The chances of success of suing a well meaning pavement cleaner will be none , this article is just rubbish and should be ignored .
The chances of success of suing a well meaning pavement cleaner will be none , this article is just rubbish and should be ignored .
Very much the done thing to moan about H&S these days.
I just wish I could be sure that the people that moan wouldn't take the chance to earn a few quid if they could.
Anyway, cleared mine this morning. If someone slips and sues, I'll deny all knowledge and say it must have been a good samaritan.
I just wish I could be sure that the people that moan wouldn't take the chance to earn a few quid if they could.
Anyway, cleared mine this morning. If someone slips and sues, I'll deny all knowledge and say it must have been a good samaritan.
did the pavement outside mine and next doors house yesterday.
you're looking at a 'Community Service' sentence for that lot!
so i coud be sued for making it safer,does household insurance cover it,if it does i'm not arrised.
No chance of any successful case against good samaritans.
I'll just say someone else must've done it in the night.
How can they prove it was me?
If someone's been sad enough to film me doing it then I'll have to take the rap.
Health and Safety - walofs.
How can they prove it was me?
If someone's been sad enough to film me doing it then I'll have to take the rap.
Health and Safety - walofs.
wonder if gocompare will find me the best deal on public liability for clearing snow protection?
dna when your nose was running as your were working mate, theyll track you down mate, be worried lol
i have a spade , a bag of salt and a high vis in the boot. Cant be too careful. High vis to keep the H and S cronies happy :D
have you done all you can to ensure the work of snow clearance will be done by an ethnic mix cureently reflecting your area?
Government scared people might start doing something themselves and stop the next useless gravy train department being set up.
They said on our local news that the council are going to have an emergency meeting today to "review their grit policy."
It's going to be fascinating taking the minutes at that one imo.
It's going to be fascinating taking the minutes at that one imo.
"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers".. Shakespeare. King Henry VI act IV, Scene II
Not quite as Willie Boy intended but a bl00dy good starting point for most of todays ills.
Not quite as Willie Boy intended but a bl00dy good starting point for most of todays ills.
i have read this guff in a few places, but have yet to read the basis for it. No court that I know of would stand for such a claim.
Because it could be argued that clearing paths removes snow but leaves small patches of rock hard ice that you would need to break with a sledge hammer to get rid of. The apparently cleared path would create a false sense of security, but would actually be more dangerous than one covered in snow as it would be slippier and therefore more dangerous.
This should not apply to paths that have been gritted, though.
This should not apply to paths that have been gritted, though.
It could be, but it would be struck out at a very early stage, I am sure. This is the media behaving like d*cks, trust me. You will not see one succesful action on this basis.
If anybody falls and breaks a leg and sues for compensation they should have their other leg broken as well. These **s are ruining our country.
MRGRUMPY1 11 Jan 11:46
Have now replaced all snow to its original place.
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yellow side up ?
Have now replaced all snow to its original place.
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yellow side up ?
Kevin - it is not going to happen. Don't believe all that you read.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1242059/You-sued-clear-ice-paths-out...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1242059/foreigners-unsuitable-for-dr...
the clue is in the title you paste Joe, the "Daily Mail" bit. You will not see one prosecution - unless some *rse hoses water across a footpath deliberately say, which is a rather different matter.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1242059/chitchat-forumites-stirringt...
Reyes - 'Association of Personal Injury Lawyers'.
Exactly - lawyers, not H&S.
Mind you, how many of you lot moaning would sue someone if you slipped.....? Its the way it is today and we (the great british public) created it & maintain it!!
Exactly - lawyers, not H&S.
Mind you, how many of you lot moaning would sue someone if you slipped.....? Its the way it is today and we (the great british public) created it & maintain it!!
See below for response from IOSH
Tha Mail and Telegraph get it wrong again. You would nearly thing that they are doing it on purpose :)
The Occupier Liability Act dates from 1957. I haven't been able to find a single case where a successfull claim has been lodged.
[i]The Sunday Telegraph and Mail on Sunday both ran a story on Sunday 10 January claiming that IOSH was warning businesses not to grit public paths because this could lead to legal action. The Sunday Telegraph stated that,
Tha Mail and Telegraph get it wrong again. You would nearly thing that they are doing it on purpose :)
The Occupier Liability Act dates from 1957. I haven't been able to find a single case where a successfull claim has been lodged.
[i]The Sunday Telegraph and Mail on Sunday both ran a story on Sunday 10 January claiming that IOSH was warning businesses not to grit public paths because this could lead to legal action. The Sunday Telegraph stated that,
http://www.iwcp.co.uk/news/news/residents-reluctant-to-clear-snow-for-fear-o...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1242059/immigrants-urinate-on-old-la...
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