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stolen from hoss racing.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/weather/6951494/Snow-stories-bookmaker-refuses-to-give-7.1-million-payout-on-banned-snow-bet.html
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poxy 31 quid, and i dare say the kid that took the bet gets sacked off
The bad thing, is the fact they only offered him the 32 quid as fi they were single bets.
Should have bunged him 10k at least as a gesture of goodwill :D
Should have bunged him 10k at least as a gesture of goodwill :D
obviously the bloke was a chancer. bad publicity for the scvmbag bookies either way tho.
Non-story. Most obvious related bet you could get, as the punter would have known fine well. Trying to pull a fast one-tough sh!t.
I'll try and get on an argentina to win group/world cup and messi top scorer accumulator with them :)
i totally agree rockm. but any chance to have a go at the crooks that are the major bookies and i'm fine with it.
'We are happy to void the bets and to pay the customer his winnings on the relevant singles.''
I bet they are.
I bet they are.
they've probably sacked the unfortunate shopworker(s) that took the bets too. you can't blame the employees either - they get treated like sh1te so who can blame them for being disinterested?
He said ''They are one of the leading bookmakers in the country and I think they ought to do their homework a bit better in future.''
No you pillock, you should do YOUR homework. Everybody with half a brain knows this bet is a related one.
Either this man was incredibly stupid or he is a thieving scoundrel.
No you pillock, you should do YOUR homework. Everybody with half a brain knows this bet is a related one.
Either this man was incredibly stupid or he is a thieving scoundrel.
David Hood a far better PR man than any other bookmaker will ever be
should have read the small print, wanna use my telescope?
I think they should pay him in full, but only if he prices up and takes all first player to score/correct score combo' bets for the rest of the season and the world cup.
he's obviously a donut
as good PR tho they cud have done a little better
as good PR tho they cud have done a little better
Reminds me a bit of when Pompey got promoted. Some clown wanted £1 at 1000/1 on them staying up, when 1000/1 was the 'win the league' odds.
He whinged that once the bet was taken, they should pay.
In a busy bookies, its not possible to vet every single bet when you take it.
Chancer.
He whinged that once the bet was taken, they should pay.
In a busy bookies, its not possible to vet every single bet when you take it.
Chancer.
He was probably going to have £3.55 million each way on Oxford for the boat race with his winnings.
The papers love this. Journos never understand it, do they?
The staff in the shop either didn't look at or didn't understand the bet - which is the fault of Badcrooks, and the bloke is trying it on.
If he'd done it in my shop I'd have explained the rules to him, clearly. Then told him to feck off.
It's like the chav a few years ago, who claimed (also at badcrooks) to have got a £5 Acca up on ALL 59 matches on a footy coupon. He'd obviously just added the 1s 2s and Xs after placing the bet - and it would have paid £billions, the NOTW still made it a front page story.
The staff in the shop either didn't look at or didn't understand the bet - which is the fault of Badcrooks, and the bloke is trying it on.
If he'd done it in my shop I'd have explained the rules to him, clearly. Then told him to feck off.
It's like the chav a few years ago, who claimed (also at badcrooks) to have got a £5 Acca up on ALL 59 matches on a footy coupon. He'd obviously just added the 1s 2s and Xs after placing the bet - and it would have paid £billions, the NOTW still made it a front page story.
study try employing people with a knoweldge of the subject instead of birds that sit there stuffing thier chops all day.
But Study is stuffing the birds that sit there stuffing their chops all day.
Study knows the score ffs!
It is no big secret that the big 3 invested in software rather than personel when computerised EPOS ext came in. They work on the basis that they can save more employing cashiers rather than managers with any real working knowledge of the game than any **c ups they make will cost them. A decent manager sets the tone for any bookies, promotes product, conversation and atmosphere. The lack of such folk these days is why most decent judges bet at home and betting shops are mainly dives being subsidised by chavs hammering away at the FOBT's.
It is no big secret that the big 3 invested in software rather than personel when computerised EPOS ext came in. They work on the basis that they can save more employing cashiers rather than managers with any real working knowledge of the game than any **c ups they make will cost them. A decent manager sets the tone for any bookies, promotes product, conversation and atmosphere. The lack of such folk these days is why most decent judges bet at home and betting shops are mainly dives being subsidised by chavs hammering away at the FOBT's.
kingfisher I don't purport to employ them.
As I said it's badcrooks fault they don't know what they're doing!
All the bookies want now is supermarket type cashiers, they don't want their staff to know or understand anything. Possibly because many of those at Head Office don't know anything either.
Irrespective of this, the punter is a **ing dirtbag, who deserves nothing.
As I said it's badcrooks fault they don't know what they're doing!
All the bookies want now is supermarket type cashiers, they don't want their staff to know or understand anything. Possibly because many of those at Head Office don't know anything either.
Irrespective of this, the punter is a **ing dirtbag, who deserves nothing.
I used to do a similar thing (to the 59 results) study. In the days of the duplicate slips I'd put a piece of card between the bet I was about to place (it would just be a throwaway £1 or similar on the dogs) and then I'd remove the card and write it so my duplicate copy would read something daft like '£1 double, elvis and shergar to both be alive 1000/1' or '£2 ben hur, 315 chariot race' and then take it down the pub and show it to people so they'd think I was a loon. I probably am. It used to make me chuckle tho.
Its the booie thats the dirt bag, look at the odds on any football coupon and tell me otherwise
kingfisher - nobody is holding a gun to your head and the percentages on football were much worse before the exchanges.
tbf owl, if you're going to try and put a bet like this geezer's on then you'd have to go to a shop.
well you can't get an accumulator on it snowing all over england on-line, can you :)
What are you saying, Kingfisher. The bloke should be be paid out???
A PUNTER PLACING A BET IS RESPONSIBLE FOR KNOWING THE RULES BEFORE HE PLACES THE BET. IF HE PLACED A BET WHICH IS NOT WITHIN THE RULES IT'S HIS OWN FAULT.
THE CASHIER IS NOT THERE TO CHECK YOU BET OR THE RULE FOR YOU,BUT JUST PROCESS THE BET IN THE BELIEF THAT MUG PLACING IT KNOWS THE RULES.
IF I WAS LADBROKES I WOULD HAVE JUST REFUNDED HIS £5 AND THEN BANNED HIM FOR LIFE. CHEEKY RAT
THE CASHIER IS NOT THERE TO CHECK YOU BET OR THE RULE FOR YOU,BUT JUST PROCESS THE BET IN THE BELIEF THAT MUG PLACING IT KNOWS THE RULES.
IF I WAS LADBROKES I WOULD HAVE JUST REFUNDED HIS £5 AND THEN BANNED HIM FOR LIFE. CHEEKY RAT
SPECIALS ARE SINGLES ONLY IN GENERAL HOWEVER THE BET IS ALSO RELATED CONTINGENCY.
IF IT'S SNOWING IN ONE PART OF THE UK IT INCREASES THE CHANCES OF OTHER PARTS EVEN IF ONLY BY 1% IN SOME CASES.
IF YOU BACK SNOW IN SAY LIVERPOOL AND THEN MANCHESTER THEN OBVIOUSLY IT IS RELATED BECAUSE IF IT SNOWS IN ONE OR THE OTHER WITH THEM BEING SO CLOSE TOGETHER THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO HAVE A FAIR CHANCE OF HAVING SIMILAR WEATHER.
HONESTLY LAD'B SHOULD TELL THIS MUG TO KISS IT.
IF IT'S SNOWING IN ONE PART OF THE UK IT INCREASES THE CHANCES OF OTHER PARTS EVEN IF ONLY BY 1% IN SOME CASES.
IF YOU BACK SNOW IN SAY LIVERPOOL AND THEN MANCHESTER THEN OBVIOUSLY IT IS RELATED BECAUSE IF IT SNOWS IN ONE OR THE OTHER WITH THEM BEING SO CLOSE TOGETHER THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO HAVE A FAIR CHANCE OF HAVING SIMILAR WEATHER.
HONESTLY LAD'B SHOULD TELL THIS MUG TO KISS IT.
Im saying if the bet was taken in error he should be given more than 32 quid, if it lost would the bookie have made a point of returning his stake NO, it would have gone in as a sleeper and put towards the christmas pi** up. Only one rat in this game
KINGFISHER - IT IS THE CUSTOMERS RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW THE RULES.
IF HE PLACES IT ON A ILLEGAL BET AND IT LOSES, IN WHICH CASE IT SHOULD BE VOID EITHER WAY GOING BY THE RULES AS YOU SAY.
HOWEVER BECAUSE HE WAS SUCH A IDIOT TO DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE HE DESERVES TO LOSE HIS MONEY JUST FOR THAT ALONE.
YOU KNOW THE SAYING
"A FOOL AND HIS MONEY ARE SOON PARTED"
IF HE PLACES IT ON A ILLEGAL BET AND IT LOSES, IN WHICH CASE IT SHOULD BE VOID EITHER WAY GOING BY THE RULES AS YOU SAY.
HOWEVER BECAUSE HE WAS SUCH A IDIOT TO DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE HE DESERVES TO LOSE HIS MONEY JUST FOR THAT ALONE.
YOU KNOW THE SAYING
"A FOOL AND HIS MONEY ARE SOON PARTED"
I once had a correct score treble used to do 2-0, 3-0 and 2-1 every week came in paid 2.5k and they wouldnt take it the week after, pure disgrace.
You're talking blollox, kingfisher.
1st - Sleepers are there to be collected. How the feck can a bookie pay up if someone doesn't come into the shop.
2nd - The ONLY ** here was the punter.
So, if a punter gets an unattentive or uncaring cashier to put 200/1 about a 2/1 shot, the bookie should pay out?
OR
If a trainee takes a bet of: No Goalscorer, 0-0 and Draw (all in the same game) in a treble, that **ing **wit placing the bet, who is trying to effectively steal from the bookie (like the Snow bloke is), should be paid out in full, yes?
If your bet isn't being taken, no-one is **ing you. I have NEVER seen a bookie ** money from a punter, but it happens the other way round all the time.
1st - Sleepers are there to be collected. How the feck can a bookie pay up if someone doesn't come into the shop.
2nd - The ONLY ** here was the punter.
So, if a punter gets an unattentive or uncaring cashier to put 200/1 about a 2/1 shot, the bookie should pay out?
OR
If a trainee takes a bet of: No Goalscorer, 0-0 and Draw (all in the same game) in a treble, that **ing **wit placing the bet, who is trying to effectively steal from the bookie (like the Snow bloke is), should be paid out in full, yes?
If your bet isn't being taken, no-one is **ing you. I have NEVER seen a bookie ** money from a punter, but it happens the other way round all the time.
"I have NEVER seen a bookie ** money from a punter, but it happens the other way round all the time."
Happens on ante post markets all the time Study.
Agree the punter was trying it on in this instance though.
Happens on ante post markets all the time Study.
Agree the punter was trying it on in this instance though.
i think we're all agreed that this bloke was a chancer but i'd never defend the majors. they are bandits.
No question they're bandits.
All FOBT's should be banned, and they should be regulated by someone who understands the game.
All FOBT's should be banned, and they should be regulated by someone who understands the game.
Every bet should be checked by someone who knows the game, why dont multi million pound organisations try paying people more than minimum wage and they might get staff with knowedge, if not pay out the scamsters, im sure they can cope with the loss. If you take the bet pay out, to avoid it pay someone a salary not a wage.
And what happens when a**cashier gets a mate to come in and put a 'bet' on?
CRB check before employing staff, once a thief always a thief
If they paid a decent wage, I might still be working in the business.
Not many companies pay decent wages any more.
Not many companies pay decent wages any more.
I don't know why everything isn't just done on line these days.
I reckon betting shops will be gone in 20 years except on racecourses.
I reckon betting shops will be gone in 20 years except on racecourses.
As things stand the percentage of shop turnover FOBT's contribute to most shops is amazingly high. Sad sign of the times imo.
agree with lozzy, they will be obsolete on years to come
They don't want staff who know what they're doing. It could be a security risk.
They always display rules, and ANYONE who knows about betting knows related bets cannot be combined.
Being an uniformed or **ing punter should NOT mean you can put any old bet on and get paid for it. The fact that the staff don't earn much has nothing to do with it.
They always display rules, and ANYONE who knows about betting knows related bets cannot be combined.
Being an uniformed or **ing punter should NOT mean you can put any old bet on and get paid for it. The fact that the staff don't earn much has nothing to do with it.
Betting shops are dead in all but name anyway , they are just glorified amusement arcades nowadays sadly .
bout 20 odd years ago used to collect figures for 20 odd shops.
one shop kept getting stuffed on the football.
The manageress was paying out on the pools panel results
one shop kept getting stuffed on the football.
The manageress was paying out on the pools panel results
50 quid max. bet on bags meetings and you call this bloke a chancer ffs, 600 + million turnover and they ban you if you win. Britains bookies are a pure disgrace.
Yeah why don't they let us all have £1k bets on**races at Crayford**etc. It's almost like they're trying to run a business and make a profit.... digusting, dirty, low-down behaviour.
kingfisher 23
have you checked out l-a-dbrokes debt recently?
have you checked out l-a-dbrokes debt recently?
At Billys, if you are at a certain level of seniority in a shop, and they send you to work in a different shop as a lower level cashier, you just get paid lower levels cashier's wagers.
Scandalous.
Scandalous.
If the races are**as you say why do they pay tracks to run bags meetings?
Come on man with the answers
Come on man with the answers
kingfisher - I made a point half an hour ago about how the recruitment policy changed with the big bookies when computerised tills and extended opening hours came in. Short sighted and undervalueing the importance of customer service, but true nonetheless.
I don't know why kingfisher, but it's common knowledge that there's a lot of moody races at some tracks.. with dubious SP returns by some on-course bookmakers.
Good point HRH I think that is terrible myself but lets be honest a budgie in a cage would out smart most betting shop customers
I reckon the ONLY attractions of bookies these days are:
You actually get cash in your hand if you win
Somewhere warm for the homeless/jobless/public sector employees
FOBT's for the addicts.
You actually get cash in your hand if you win
Somewhere warm for the homeless/jobless/public sector employees
FOBT's for the addicts.
^ Especially that budgie in Carry On At Your Convinence !
Just wait for the dubious last second shaving of SP's if traditional odds go! Prepare for meltdown on the horse racing forum!
They'll never cut the bags meets coz they love the 5 and 10 pound forecasts, come in with a 100 quid and they show you the door. Parasites
The dogs are dying on their arses unfortunately. My friend said that they only count for between 7 and 8% of annual turnover now in his shop. :(
thats very good considering they probably give a track a few grand to run it
Well enjoy being cynical whilst you can because without major rebranding and investment greyhound racing won't be around much longer.
rebranding its dogs chasing a teddy bear, not the x factor
Yes, sad but true it is well below reality tv betting and virtual racing in the pecking order these days.
From what I see the majority of in-shop punters don't care if they're betting on a dog race/virtual/fobt... seems that most of these punters just need the quick**of a gamble on anything... there seems to be a race of some sorts every 2 or 3 minutes these days... irregardless of whether there's any UK racing on
Paulie is right for a lot of punters. I took a £25 reverse forecast at Steepledowns about 6 years ago, looked at the bloke in bewilderment and handed in my notice a couple of days later.
Ive heard people saying 'Mines going well on the cartoon racing'
The bookies also went back on their word, I remember when virtual racing first started and they tried to promote it, they promised you would never see a 15 runner handicap so that you lost out on 4th place E/W. that didn't last too long. Also with the snow bet, it wouldn't of gone in the sleepers at all, one non snow location it would have a red line through it and the guy told unlucky!!
So did it snow in steepledowns?
What was the price?
What was the price?
The bet in question once again shows the lack of training new staff must get .
In fact on their first day they are probably told , 'this is a FOBT , this is how you open it , this is how you remove the money and close it again and here's how you switch it back on . If the machines break down you must call this number at once .Training over' .
My mate backed O'Sullivan to win a snooker tournament a couple of years ago at 10-3 and the price was written on the slip .
He won and when my mate when to collect his winnings was told , 'sorry , nothing back on this slip he didn't win 10-3 , he won 13-6 !
In fact on their first day they are probably told , 'this is a FOBT , this is how you open it , this is how you remove the money and close it again and here's how you switch it back on . If the machines break down you must call this number at once .Training over' .
My mate backed O'Sullivan to win a snooker tournament a couple of years ago at 10-3 and the price was written on the slip .
He won and when my mate when to collect his winnings was told , 'sorry , nothing back on this slip he didn't win 10-3 , he won 13-6 !
lol of course they didnt pay out, why should they? IBAS lol what a waste of time, he aint got a heather mills to stand on.
Bringing Heather Mills leg into it is just plane nasty
Qualifications needed to be a betting shop casher. or 'customer service assistant' as they are called these days :
big baps
nice smile
expect to be sh@gged by manager if half fit and under 40
willing to work until 9-30 p.m on cold winter nights waiting to be robbed
DIMITRIOS is correct btw, the onus is on the punter to put his bet on in time, in legible handwriting, and in accordance with the rules.
big baps
nice smile
expect to be sh@gged by manager if half fit and under 40
willing to work until 9-30 p.m on cold winter nights waiting to be robbed
DIMITRIOS is correct btw, the onus is on the punter to put his bet on in time, in legible handwriting, and in accordance with the rules.
AGREED THEY SHOULD NOT PAY OUT
HOWEVER
IF IT LOST AND THE BLOKE REALISED COULD HE HAVE HAD HIS STAKE BACK?
;-)
HOWEVER
IF IT LOST AND THE BLOKE REALISED COULD HE HAVE HAD HIS STAKE BACK?
;-)
im pretty sure their rules state any multiple bet including selections where multiples arent allowed will be treated as singles. so he would have been paid on singles, not got his money back.
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