do you beleive in evolution

even wackier than this crazy evolution theory is the stuff they used to teach kids. apparently they used to reckon that some geezer knocked it all together in six days and spent sunday down the pub.

A Theory with an immense amount of evidence to support it though Dragon.

we don`t sh@g apes any more

Donkeys now

dont think so tobs its a theory thats all , it has not been proven

just think tobs the scientists could be wrong ,

What do you mean they can't prove it? What proof would you require?

DNA proves most of it.

u dont know i dont know, that makes it a theory in my book

I never said it was 'proven' in that sense , hard to do without a time machine , but the evidence is overwhelming.

the dragon= stephen baldwin.
how'd you get a lap-top in the big brother house?!

What do you mean they can't prove it? What proof would you require?

let's not all gang up on dragon here. this isn't swine flu we're talking about. obviously you will be in a minority view on this one though dragon.

no it doesnt to think that one day a fish or whatever decided to get out of the sea and then eventually turned into ** sapien. im sorry its laughable :D

it's a headmelter alright but that's what happened.

My work here is done.

ok tobs u tell me the evidence then and i will tell u that your evidence boils down to what you beleive.

it is ultimatley all about what you believe really

What makes it tough for us to understand, dragon, is that we (humans) can't get our head around the lengths of time involved. It was all a VERY gradual progression.

Dragon read Origin of the Species then come back and talk

study but that is what you beleive you do not KNOW

it is about belief not facts coz none of us know

why are there no insects in the sea?

Dragon you havent got a clue what the evidence for evolution is

the dolpions went back into the sea, i mean ffs, make your mind up

if yopu think that we came from apes , in my opinion, you are deluded

darwin was argueing aginst his times , he wrote becuuse he felt that the belief in the creator god was simplistic and untrue.

it was a book against its times thats all it was not a basis for a belief system

or for rational theory of where life began

it still seems a lot more plausible than the old testament though.

not talking about the bible talking about this societys crazy beleif in a flawed theory

which is taught as a fact

well it's evolution or creationism isn't it? or have i missed out on something else?

no the point i am trying to make is that we dont know.

i dont know you dont know, the religious people dont know, the sciebtists dont know.

its about what u choose to beleive

Dragon,

Did u see the thing on dogs last nite where they bred the aggression out of foxes in 8 generations making them more 'dog like'. This is evolution on fast forward.

Pretty sure u are on a wind up btw ;)

and yet evolution is taught as a fact . which it is not its a theory

pers no i dint and not on a wind up :)

i just feel that evolution is unproven and heralded as a fact which it is not

thats all

Well, it was a fact, and I still think u are! ;)

In 2 generations we will have 2 thumbs (for faster texting) and a large protrusion from the ear to allow a phone hook nicely from your shoulder

not a fact its a theory ---fact

Dan Chipowski 07 Jan 22:40
I believe we are a species must be pretty thick if we don't know where we came from

I come from London :)

Dragon, the fox breeding thing is a fact. They did it

what fox breeding thing is that?

Dragon what do you believe in then...Not all that God nonsense surely

i donk ko i just dont know

but i do know that evolution is a theory not a fact

nobody KNOWS that is my point

You cant stand on the fence.

The good book as your refer to,is nothing more than a fairy tale.

Dragon..........there is over-whelming evidence of evolution....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

Christians have been shown to be wrong again....

The trolling on here is becoming very poor.

Parting of the Red Sea..lol

as is Father Christmas.

in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and the earth was without form and void and darkness moved across the land

the heavens declare the glort of the lord and the earth his handiwork

just a view that some people beleve very strongly in

People cling to religion to gather some form of comfort,probably lacking something..

Religion is a curse.Just look around the world.

maybe your right koh

Just for now . ..

1. We don't come from apes - we share a common ancestor with apes.
2. If people aren't convinced of Darwinian science, that doesn't mean (ipso facto) they must believe in Adam and Eve.

think the theory is pretty well proven at this point, Richard Dawkins has written a book containing the best evidence for evolution. (The Greatest Show on Earth)

I read something a while ago that when questioned almost 50% of Americans believed that the earth was less than 10,000 years ago!!!

There are some mysteries still though, for example the huge leap ** sapian seemed to take, for tens of thousands of years there was little progress then all of a sudden we see incredible cave art and similar dramatic improvements in a relatively short period of time.

That has led to theories that our evolution was giving a helping hand maybe by life from another planet. If you read the book of Genesis it talks about the Nephilim these "giants" who were also called the "sons of god" other civilizations have similar myths that their ancestors came from the sky especially in Africa.

Dawkins books are all a good read apart from "The God Delusion". Carl Sagan is another good source on evolution in layman's terms. Try opening your eyes a little more.

2 very good points HH.

Evolution not revolution as tony hares would say

The Dragon 07 Jan 22:47

no it doesnt to think that one day a fish or whatever decided to get out of the sea and then eventually turned into **** sapien. im sorry its laughable

It is laughable yes. I don't think there are many who thought it happened "one day". It's also laughable that the first part of "**-sapiens" is censored and that you think "**-sapiens" is a plural from which the singular is created by leaving off the "s". It's not a plural. It takes the s.

thanks for that goring

While we're on laughable though, Dragon: Do you believe in God, the toothfairy and Santa et al?

He's converted now.. WD The Dragon.

no goring i dont , idont believe in evolution either, cant belive that so many people do

its a joke theory in my opinion defies all logic, similiar you your views on santa et al i suppose

Your thinking Fish into Man in one step, think more about why and how evolution works. Try and understand the subject before you knock it.

Perhaps God was an 'Alien' then. How about that theory.

Exactly Ovalman..... Flying Fish

Dragon, out of interest (and I'm not trying to be mischievous) would you say any of the following are familiar to you:

Exons
Junk DNA
Self-splicing introns.

And could you also say whether you believe in natural selection?

Either this guy is a positively HEROIC troll, or he really believes what he types. Confused now.

Ovalman, you must be an "Alliance" voter. ;)

this has nothing to do with God or the Bible or anything like that, my asserstion is that evolution is atheory just like all other "beliefs" and not PROVEN as some people herald it to be

It's a matter of statistical significance like pretty much all theories. I think that if you read enough about the facts of biology you can be convinced to an arbitrary level of surety. I think you also have something to think about if you reject the God hypothesis as it is statistically ridiculous that the species formed independently with so many similarities.

Evolution can be a slippery concept and is often misunderstood. But it is not really that tricky.

Just look at dog breeding. Over many generations traits regarded as desirable are bred in and traits regarded as undesirable are bred out. The result is, that from the grey wolf gene pool (thought to be the origin of all our dogs), you get all the various breeds of dog from Great Danes to chihuahuas, St Bernards to whippets, which all reman part of the same species.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_domestic_dog

As with dog, the same is true of all domesticated animals and plants. Humans have taken the wild stock and intentionally bred them with the hope of encouraging desirable characteristics in the offspring. Who wants an aggressive, thin, flighty sheep when you can have a passive, fat, docile one? Who wants a small, sour apple when you can have a plump, sweet one? If these different strains of a species existed in the wild they might eventually, after many generations, become different species.

Now obvously in nature there is no farmer controlling the breeding process. But in effect (though emphatically not by design) natural selection performs a similar job by determining which individuals breed successfully by dint of their fitness for their particular environment (ie those charcteristics that do not fit an environment hinder the individual's ability to survive and breed). Whatever characteristics help the individual survive and thrive are thus "bred in" by nature and those that hinder survival are "bred out".

Incidentally, I have alluded here to the famous phrase the "survival of the fittest" which is often misunderstood to imply a violent, dog-eat-dog kind of process. What the phrase originally meant, however, was merely that those animals who survived were by definition the ones who were best fitted to their environment.

I would tend to vote for the UUP when I can be bothered.

thats fine and interesting slarty but does not explain the origin of the species :)

a theory is quite different from a hypothesis - hence the reason it is true and evidence supports it

Why do you look similar but not exactly the same as your parents Dragon?

Gene recombination.

genes me old son genes

With regard to wild dogs, there are two species in North America, the wolf and the coyote. These species can, and do, interbreed, producing offspring that are half wolf, half coyote. So why are there two species? What keeps them separate?

Drag, I thought your problem was with evolution as a general explanation for the biological forms on earth. Or is it just with evolution leading to man?

i think you are misunderstanding my point here, undoubtedley animals, plants, humans etc change for a whole variety of reasons, what i cannot have as fact is the theory that we evolved over an incedibly long period of time from tiny amabos or whatever. it just does not fit

What doesn't it fit?

Gd q, wur. Could it be that while they can and sometimes do interbreed that it is a trait posessed only by a minority of indiviuals or occurring only under certain unusual circumstances? Mere speculation obviously.

dont know what the answer is but evolution is only one theorY AMONG MANY, SOME OF WHICH i probably have never heard of

Through the past few thousand years (since the 5,000 year that the bible says) we have evolved, we have grown less hair and our tonsils are receding.

with the complex and wide variation of like on planet earth

Drag, if you can understand how evolution applies to animals and plants why can you not understand how it might apply to human animals?

As an explanation, how does evolution "not fit" the reality of a wide variety of life on earth?

My hair's receding, Ovalman :(

The Dragon 08 Jan 11:24


what i cannot have as fact is the theory that we evolved over an incedibly long period of time from tiny amabos or whatever. it just does not fit

Why not,dont forget during the ice age..your grand parents had wooly coats

well take the human body, it is so complex and amazingly intricate i just cannot see how this "evolved" just by chance, just doesnt stack up to me

Human body is very similar to chimpanzee.......why would your imagined God....make a Human and a Chimpanzee....?

They are similar because they evolved down different paths from a common ancestor...

if you read what i said leopard i am not talking God here i am questioning the validity of the FACTUAL nature of the evolutionary THEORY

common ancestor..but chimps and apes left behind?

Left behind? They evolved to in a different direction from that common ancestor.

incredible bit of fishing here.

The idea that evolution is illogical is simply laughable. The concept of billions of minor mutations over billions of years leading life from a simple amino acid to sentient beings is not simple or easy. It is neither illogical or without foundation. Plenty of evidence exists of mutations good and bad, and on the micro level we can see a virus evolve.

Of course it is not fact; we can only see that there is a bulk of evidence in favour of evolution, and that there are no rival theories that have any supporting empirical evidence.

Even at an insect level it has been demonstrated in the lab that evolution can be forced upon a species by altering the environment.

Perseus 07 Jan 23:02


Dragon,

Did u see the thing on dogs last nite where they bred the aggression out of foxes in 8 generations making them more 'dog like'. This is evolution on fast forward.

Pretty sure u are on a wind up btw

Dragon, this was the fox thing I spoke of.........can't believe you are still at this! Slow day?

My guess is that we were designed and created by a superior force. It doesn't matter what we call that force.

bored pers snowed in and stinking cold to boot :(

If that cold hadn't mutated you wouldn't have had it. :)

my mate's mother in law has put a lot of weight on over the years and she now walks EXACTLY like a gorilla. It's uncanny.

the gait is not a bit like a gorilla, it's EXACTLY the same. proof.